I've done a search but can't seem to find answers to my dilema.
I'd like to set up the 11 grandkids with bowfishing rigs. Probably going to need 9 total at this time.
We aren't going after the monsters but could end up with some in the 10#+ range where we will be shooting.
I know the AMS system but with 11 grandkids we're talking a sizeable investment.
Anyone know of an inexpensive alternative? Please keep in mind these are my grandkids and safety is of utmost importance.
If you have any suggestions, I'd like to see some pics. Prefer to adhere to the KISS method.
I've seen soda bottles and coffee cans used as spools attached to the front of the bow. there is also a thread on here about using the top of bucket as a shoot through reel. Of course whatever you choose make sure you use a safety slide
I've seen the soda bottle before and have seriously considered it.
Just noticed the 5 gallon bucket method on here tonight.
Is it possible to use an old open face spincat or baitcast reel with this type setup?
I've got quite a few old Daiwas, AMS, Shakespeare and Shimanos idling around.
I think you'll have lots of tangles with those sort of reels. Thats why they use zebcos.
When I was a kid my Dad furnished we kids with baitcasters. I had so many tangle problems that half the time spent fishing ended up untangling line. Soon as I could save enough quarters from shining shoes at the barbershop, first thing that I did was went to Young's Sporting Goods and bought me a brand new open face spin caster.
From there I graduated to baitcaster.
My brothers live in the mountains and call me wormdunker.
Them younger boys like thier fly fishing.
I've never found a Zebco I liked. But I will listen to your advice. This is new to me.
When I was in high school an old friend and I used to shoot carp in the canal outside town. We didn't use reels, just some sort of rubber contrapcion taped to the front of the bow with line wrapped around it. That was 40 yrs ago and I haven't seen anything like it since.
It worked!!
Just trying to find a simple method, CHEAp!!!!
Use your imagination, I'm sure a length of PVC on the front of the bow would work too....pretty much anything like that. if the bows have a front tap, you can screw them in, if not make a bracket and tape it on.
I've got an AMS and love it however....If I didn't I'd sure look at those shoot through contraptions made of the 5 gallon pails. I'm sure that would work well.
the chef
I like the coffee can concept but would be concerned that there is not taper on the front to let the line spool off easier.
Spool reels work well but they are scary. I've already broke an arrow off on hangups on the reel twice. I would hate to see that happen to a kid.
I haven't had a problem since I started checking my line for bad wraps and twists. I'm sure they have a great teacher and will do the same!!
you can bend the front of the coffee can and give it a little more taper, but like spools you have to watch what you are doing and dont let the line get behind the can. You can get the shakespear reel at walmart for about $20 or so and get a reel seat and use it. 3 rivers has a strap on gadget adapter that is half the price of their traditional bowfishing mount and it works very well screwing the reel seat into and once you got it tight it doesnt move a bit.
My first bow reel was a tin can with string wrapped around. i was constantly trying to keep the line from falling off the reel. I would use a small peice of tape to hold it. The can was taped to my bow with electrical tape. Then I found an old screw in model at a garage sale for 5 bucks. I used that thing for 4 years and then saved up to buy an AMS. I have saved so much Money in arrows it paid for the reel ten times over.
I like the pvc Idea. You could get a tapered end and attach a band with a screw in adaptor for it on the non tapered end and screw it into your (stabalizer) hole on the riser. Or you could find a way to tape it to the bow. Make sure there isnt any screws hanging around for the string to accidently catch on. Snap back is a real phenominon.
Good luck. You may post on here and see how many people have an old reel laying around for just as cheap.
Shoot through bucket reel. Cut the top off the bucket leaving the rim in place on either side.
Attach 2 "L" brackets with rivets or nuts and bolts. I used nuts and bolts so I placed them with the domed head on the outside of the reel and the shank going to the center of the spool.
The "L" brackets should be placed so the hoop is centered around the arrow. Wrap the brackets with electrical tape to prevent scratching limbs.
I haven't done this but a drop of glue would keep the nut from coming off. Hasn't happened yet but with kids it might be a good idea.
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The string holding contraption. This one is a piece of strapping material but any springy type of material should work. I curled one end so it would wrap around the rim. I then heated the other end and melted it through the plastic.
The first couple of wraps of line will hold it in place. If it is too tight on the shot just flex it up a tad.
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Only tools need is a hacksaw to cut the bucket, screwdriver and a wrench. If they are old enough get the kids together and make a project out of it. A reel can be made in 30 minutes or less.
We used to use the zebco 808's as kids - pretty fool proof, just don't use too heavy a line in case they get excited and forget to click the button.
Like the hoop idea above, but could be prone to operator error with that many little ones. Put any thought into just getting 4-6 good setups and having them trade off? I've rarely seen bowfishing so fast & furious that it'd be an issue - if the kids can learn a lesson in sharing. Also might allow you to keep a little better eye on what they are doing.
QuoteOriginally posted by Skipmaster1:
Use your imagination, I'm sure a length of PVC on the front of the bow would work too....pretty much anything like that. if the bows have a front tap, you can screw them in, if not make a bracket and tape it on.
I have used this method for my kids. It works great. I took a 4" PVC pipe about 10" long. Cut a slot in it for the riser. Duct tape the tube on the bow. Then wrapped the line around the tube like an old fashion spool.
Because the tube is so big and long(ish) the lined stayed on well, came off well, and remained untangled.
Didn't look pretty, but the carp didn't mind.
I'm getting some good ideas from all of you. I've got a supply of 4" PVC and like the idea. Anyone have any pics to post? would be appreciated. I'm also going to give the 5 gallon bucket a try.
I've used PVC before too. Get an end cap, add a short piece of pipe (6 inches), drill a hole in the center of the cap to run a bolt through, and screw it into your stabilizer hole.
Be sure to use the saftey slides as mentioned previously is a must! I have had a couple of snap backs in the past and been lucky, they can put an eye out in an instant.A good pair of safety glasses for the youngsters might be a great gift until they get used to shooting a fishing arrow. Ben
Bowferd if the bucket idea works for ya and you need buckets let me know, with my business I usually have at least a hundred of them on hand. I'll be doing a job north of Central City in a couble weeks and that is about 35 miles from you. I also have lots of strap material. Dang now I gotta make a couple and see how they work.
You guys have got my mind working overtime. I'd still like to see more pics. A picture's worth a thousand words.
Some of you have mentioned taper. What would you think of a narrow tappered funnel with just a slight taper toward the front end? Anybody think it would work?
I don't know that it'll help you out with needing to set up 9 of them but if you can use it I'll send you an old green Bear hand reel.
God bless,Mudd
Here is one I made from 1 1/2 PVC on a old Wing. Sorry the pic isn't very good.
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As a young teenager a friend and I used to tape a Zebco 33 reel to our compounds with aluminum arrows and a finish nail drove through the end and no slide. We would come home with a garbage bag full of fresh frog legs many nights. I too am struggling with the expense of the AMS system but have yet to try the old set up. It seemed to work just fine from what I remember! I may try it again.
WVeer, I like the simplicity with not much bulk.
How well does the string stay on?
I also have used the Zebco 33 taped to the front of an old C-bow years ago. Never had an issue other than forgetting to press the button. Mount it upside down, and you can press the button with your pinkie on your bow hand. Cheap, easy, and very effective.
I'm having trouble visualizing your set up.
Which end of the arrow did you put the finish nail? How was line attached to your arrow?
How and where did you attach the reel to the bow?
Thank you!
God bless,Mudd
Bowferd,
The string stays on good and comes off well when shot. I get a small package of rubber bands and after the string is wound up, slip a band on it. Use thin ones that can break easy. I still like to use my Zebco 808s and 33s but this works well too. I think the Zebcos now made in China are not nearly as good as old ones made is USA. I have broke 2 808s when someone forgot to push the button. (could have been me but I'll blame my son ;) )
My setup is almost identical to Gregg's. I used pop rivets to connect the L brackets to the bucket top instead of bolts. Also, I just cut a slit in the edge of the bucket reel to hold the line. Slips out just fine on the shot and didn't require any extra parts!
One of the really nice things about a bucket reel is that you can retrieve and reset in nothing flat. four or five turns around the reel, clip the line into the slot, arrow back on the string and off you go again. Also used electrical tape to attach the reel to the bow. Just pull off a four or five foot strip, double over the first third with the l bracket in the center, then wind it on the bow. The doubled over tape will lay against the bow finish and protect it from the gummy tape residue.
I've done homemade fishing arrrows as well out of ash and a number 8 finishing nail, but after seeing a few pictures of guys who caught a nock between the eyes when line snagged, I won't use another arrow without a slide. Cheap is great, but an intact skull is better than cash in the bank!
I'm centering in on the bucket method. Basically for two reasons.
1: If I have this correct? The reel ( bucket lid)
is attatched to both upper and lower limbs and you actually shoot thru it?
2: During retrieval you have far fewer wraps around the reel which would seem to require less time landing the fish.
Am I correct to this point?
I tried the soda bottle one, it worked pretty well. It wasn't pretty either but it sure was cheap,it worked and nobody got hurt! I found it on YouTube I think it was...
Well like someone else stated I can't imagine 11 kids rigged up bow fishing at the same time! I'm thinking rigging up a few kids and trading off. With that said the cheapest safest way to rig up is using pop bottle floats stuck into 1" rubber chair leg bottoms mounted to the bow. IF all else fails the pop bottle float will pull out of the rubber chair leg cover. The problem with wrap around reels is after you miss, and you will miss bow fishing, is in the excitement you wrap back behind the intended reel. With the pop bottle float this is almost impossible but if you do it just pulls the pop bottle float out of the rubber chair leg bottom!
For a string holder I simply use the end of a nylon tie strap end taped on the end of the pop bottle float pointed towards the fish!