Any of you guys have the same problems I have with ticks here in NY ? I have had Lyme Disease twice.....I do not spray because of the scent factor, but certainly tuck all my clothing in and check myself as best I can upon return home....I guess there's not much else to do, and it just comes with the territory. I know some sprays claim to be scent free, but tell that to the whitetail......went out scouting today and covered up good, but sweated my tail off.
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Any thoughts ?
Scent is bad but any deer downwind will smell you anyway.. Its not so bad when dry...
Spray from your knees down and cover your boots with a good full high% DEET spray...
JDS III
Take a shower as soon as possible when you get in at the end of the day using a "noufa" I think they call them, scrubbing everywhere you can reach and then have wife/friend check your back where you may have missed. Normally this gets them off before they dig in. It works for me here in Arkansas, the tick and chigger capitol of the universe.
i've had lyme's disease for at least 3 years. permanone helps, i use it now, didn't when i got bit. as for dealing with game and the permanone odor - trust me, you don't want lyme's. choose wisely.
when hunting Sawyers makes a great product that has no smell and last after washing your clothes I have not had a tick or chiggar in two years.This stuff is great!
If you don't use Duranon or a like product, you are a fool. Sorry, but its the truth. There is nothing funny about tick borne diseases. Spray your clothes, let them dry, and no worries. I like to give a little "extra" spray before the woods. Get chiggers a few times and ticks will be the least of your worries.
By the way, once you have lymes disease it never goes away. You didn't get it twice, you never got rid of it.
QuoteOriginally posted by kbetts:
By the way, once you have lymes disease it never goes away. You didn't get it twice, you never got rid of it.
correct - it's systemic and it will return, eventually. what fun.
Seems in the last five years ticks have been taking over Iowa. I played the antibotics for months several times in the past after getting a few bullseyes painted on my body by these bad boys. And i have tryed everything i could get my hands on to keep them at bay. I had a Army buddy tell me they would eat the heads off of match sticks while out in the fields to get the sulfur in their systems. So i researched and found this remedy i might try out this year. Anyone tryed it yet??? http://www.motherearthnews.com/Natural-Health/Repel-Ticks-Sulfur-Remedy.aspx
Spray your clothes with a pyrethrin spray once it dries it will not smell much. You only have to do it once for the season. All my clothes besides my outer layers go directly in the dryer NOT THE WASH. All the kids clothes go in the dryer after anytime in the woods not the laundry closet. Next time you get some ticks put one in a glass of water over night. It will be alive in the morning! Heat is what kills them for sure.
I had Erlicyosis in the past not lymes.
re: Mr. Vic, now that you mentioned it, I remember as a young boy, every spring my mother would buy a box of sulphur creme of tartar tablets and make me take two a day for a week, but this was for chiggers. Don't know if it works for ticks. Do know you will smell like sulphur for a while after the regimen.
Permethrin spray on you pants legs. Works for several days after it dries. No more smell than a human BO.
You can get rid of lyme's disease if you take the antibiotic course within a certain period of time after the bullseye rash. But, if you do not take it in time, you will deal with recurring flare ups for the rest of your life. Don't mess with deer ticks and use the permethrin spray.
Add another to the list of Lyme's. Never felt that bad in my life...
Hmm: Either mind the wind, or risk a lifelong chronic disease.
I'd stick with permethrin, even if it smelled like a pack of wild dogs. Even better: IT WORKS.
We have not talked about the health risks of using the permethrin. It can harm small animals when used in gardens and yards, heavy use could have long range complications if instructions are not followed carefully for children. I suppose it is better than exposing yourself or kids to Lyme's disease, but follow the instructions for personal and lawn use. I wonder what the record for the number of ticks on an individual turkey hunter is. I know of one that had over 30 attached and many more not attached.
Sounds like most of you guys put the scent fears on the backburner when it comes to tick born diseases.....I think I will heed all the advice here and start using sprays. Although my personal case of Lyme is not one of the horror stories due to early detection. I realize I was lucky. There are definitely some stories out there where people have gotten severe neurological issues which last years. I will look into Sawyers Duranon with Permathrin.I will also take note of the health issues with Permathrin.
Thanks for all the advice guys. I will be spraying from here on in. Most deer in my neck of the woods only show me the whitest part of their body anyway, so why worry about them smelling me !!!
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Trab
QuoteOriginally posted by Trab:
... Although my personal case of Lyme is not one of the horror stories due to early detection. I realize I was lucky. There are definitely some stories out there where people have gotten severe neurological issues which last years. ...
the bad news for you, me, and others that have been proven to have lyme's, is that you are a carrier of borrelia for life - it's systemic, chronic, and has not been known to permanently get flushed out of your system.
you become a 'lyme zombie' and, as it is re-occurring right now with me for the 3rd time, it can flare up even after you think you've killed the bug.
here is the enemy, borrelia, magnified 400 times
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here is a transmitter species
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Permethrine seems to be the cure... I have not used it yet, but have it for my clothes for next year... and on the scent issue, really, the wind is our only help there : )
I had one on my upper back last year I didn't catch. One day I leaned against my work van and felt something. I pulled my shirt up and had half a red then purple then black Bachi Ball on my back with a tick right in the middle. I took the doxacylin but I still think it may have been to late. One of these days I'll get tested. I've been pulling a ton off shed hunting this season.
QuoteOriginally posted by mrpenguin:
Permethrine seems to be the cure...
you mean 'the shield', not the cure. :)
I lived in the South (Ga, Fl, S.C.) before moving up to Southern IL. a few yrs ago. I was really surprised how much worse the ticks are up here than down there. They are terrible here. I've pulled about 18 to 20 off me this week, from going in the woods to trim some limbs so I could get climber up tree next season.
When it gets a hair warmer I can walk through the woods and constantly pick them off. Chiggers are just about as bad.
I'm going to apply Permanone to my camo today..spring gobbler opens tomorrow. Going to also spray deet and start taking a good shot of vinegar every day. I kept hearing people swear that it works and tried it last season and it did work for chiggers. I've tried dusting sulfur on my clothes and it seem to help also.
I have used permanon in the past but can't seem to find it at Wally-World. Anyone know of another source?
Sawyers makes a good spray
I had Lyme for 2 years before I was diagnosed, that was 16 years ago. I have been on antibiotics for 14 years and 4 times on IV antibiotics. Lyme will get into a cell which antibiotics can't enter to kill it. Pulled 4 ticks off me 2 days ago.
Dood, take a garlic pill each day. After about a week, the ticks will stop wanting to bite you. Works for skeeters, too.
QuoteOriginally posted by Spectre:
Dood, take a garlic pill each day. After about a week, the ticks will stop wanting to bite you. Works for skeeters, too.
um, nope, not for me. neither does ingesting black walnut. dunno about using sulphur, though.
QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:
QuoteOriginally posted by Spectre:
Dood, take a garlic pill each day. After about a week, the ticks will stop wanting to bite you. Works for skeeters, too.
um, nope, not for me. neither does ingesting black walnut. dunno about using sulphur, though. [/b]
I been having pretty good luck with it. I work outside every day. A little diesel fuel on your boots works best---but STANK!
I took garlic for several years, however where we hunt in Wi. the deer ticks are bad and they weren't impressed.
Permethrin is the only thing that seems to really work, I spray all my clothes very heavy, and rarely get a tick. I always hunt the wind, never been much of a believer in scent control. Flew back from LA one time with a guy who worked for one of the big scent companies and I asked him if they really work. He said they would take a product douse a person with it, plant them in the woods and turn their dog loose. In every case the dog ran right to them. I believe a deer's nose is like a hundred times better than a dog.
Here is my solution that seems to work for myself and household. Ticks fleas and chiggers get reall bad in S Florida at times. I do not know if this is proven or recomemnded but it is what I do as a fact of life. I buy essential oils that have been in use for as long as can be remmembered. I have had fleas and ticks and chiggers in almost plague fasion and found they are now imperviouse to repellants and insecticides in my area. Care must be taken when using essential oils they are very concentrated. I use LAVENDER all the time. Tea tree oil works excellent so does eucaliptus. I work outdoors and am in the thick of fleas ticks and chiggers ect. I put lavendar oil in my shampoo and make my own lavender soap. I put the oil in cotton balls all over my house when fleas and tick season comes. I thank God it works. Essential oils evaporate so I use a carrier oil, jajoba or grape seed when I want the oils to linger for some time. I use the oils on my pets since all other medication is now worthless. This works for me. As far as scent control you got me because you are going to smell like a wildflower. It is all natural so it may help to cover your own scent up. I was out of options when I tried the oils now I feel this is my only option. Again this is my experience I do not know how it will work for others.
I made a tour of the local bug dope suppliers Wally Land, alco, Bomgars,etc. no permethrin for clothes, just the garden and lawn variety. I sent for it from REI outdoors. I heard that the ticks are already out in force in the area and it has only been warm for a few days. If I see a tick out turkey hunting that is in range, I am going to shoot it with a blunt, or should I use the broadhead. I hate ticks. Would cutting a sidewalk of death and destruction with Yard Guard give one a tick free zone? I am thinking here of the story I heard last night. A local fellow took all of the precautions except when he had to drop his pants to heed the call. He must have planted his bumm on a nest of them. He was surprised to feel them running wind sprints in his underwear on his drive home.
if you've got it bad in NY then come down to NC and we've got it reeeeaal bad! :D
Yall got my skin crawling and itchin!
7 years ago, I was huntin hogs and came home with a tick between my shoulder blades. Found it the next morning. A few days later, I was being admitted to the hospital with rocky mountain spotted fever.
I'm a lot more careful now. I use Coulston's Duranon tick spray. I buy it by the case! I also like to pour a cup or so of Apple Cider Vinegar into my camelbak bladder while I'm out in the woods for extended periods.
I don't get bothered too bad with ticks.
Chiggers'll cross a 4 lane highway to get to me though.
apple cider vinegar works to keep ticks and skeeters off. its natural and cheap. its also a natural diaretic, so watch how much you drink. eastern nc is loaded with ticks. you cant do anything in the woods without contact with them. ive pulled them off of me in the dead of winter . what is surprising about that is it was less than 35 degrees outside, they just move slower
I don't know how safe it really is and I've never tried it myself, but I've heard of using a dog tick collar around the outside of each pant leg/boot top (not on the bare skin, of course).
To remove ticks, the Tick Key really works great for me: http://www.tickkey.com/ I always carry one when I'm in the woods.
Scott S,I have done that and I cut a 2" piece and put it on my boot years ago.I can't remember if it worked.And they do have a little smell to them.I will sat you should not put the frontline or any other liquid dog insect repellents on you skin at all.Or your clothes for that matter
For Frontline you need your master to start on your head just above your ears and then carefully run down the middle of the back making sure that it gets thru the fur and onto the skin. Do not allow anyone to pet you until it has thoroughly dried. Additional spray may be needed for lower legs and long hairy ears.
frontline and flea/tick collars are quite toxic. why else would the frontline company tell you not to let it touch YOUR skin, but DO put it on your dog's skin where they can't lick it.
so, put a toxic dog collar on my body? um, no thanx, i'll pass on that. i won't do that to my dogs, either.
canines are easy to diagnose and treat for lyme disease. doxycycline kills it off in a week or less.
tick heritage is millions of years old and haven't evolved much, if at all. at least humans have evolved for the better. so you'd think we smart humans would have the smarts by now for eliminating tick bite infectious borrelia. doh.
Rob there is no money in a cure,they make more by treating it!
QuoteOriginally posted by lpcjon2:
Rob there is no money in a cure,they make more by treating it!
absolutely correct - and just one more reason the usa and the rest of the blue planet is going to h3ll in a hand basket.
. He was surprised to feel them running wind sprints in his underwear on his drive home.
That sent chills up my spine, I hate ticks!!!
I must just be lucky, been bitten hundreds of times over the years & never had Lyme. Everyone I know has had it. We get over run here in NY. Two of my beagles had it & one had airliciosis. Both really sick & had a month of meds. I ran them last week & despite the k9-advantix still pulled ticks off them. Mike
I've posted this before, but here it is again...
Everyone who spends time in the woods (or the garden, park or anywhere else) would do well to check the CDCs website on Lyme Disease (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/Lyme/) and check out the link to 'other tick borne diseases' as well. Ticks aren't the only problems either.
Lyme disease is caused by a specific bacteria that can be carried by blacklegged ticks. These ticks are in their highest concentrations where the most cases are reported, but can be found in nearly all of the US. The rest of the country has other types of ticks that carry different bacteria that cause a bunch of other nasty problems.
Not every tick carries the bacteria and not every bite results in an infection. Though Lyme Disease is caused by a specific type of bateria, there are a number of different strains, each with it's own little quirks (same with E.coli outbreaks too... ever wonder how the CDC tracks down where the E.coli originated from? Each strain is slightly different genetically).
The damn bloodsuckers can carry a bunch of other little 'bugs' that can cause serious problems and present many of the same symptoms as Lyme Disease.
A blood test is only reliable in the later stages of an infection, and by then your chances of comlications goes up.
As Rob unfortunately has found out, some people have problems for years after the bacterial infection has cleared up. The exact cause is unknown, but the chances of it happening go up dramatically the longer you have the infection! Antibiotics are the best way to get rid of a bacterial infection quickly. Your body can do it alone - and does on a daily basis - but when something comes along that really challenges it (and this bug does) your immune system starts to act a little funny. There's credible data that suggests the lingering effects are autoimmune in nature.
When your body has a bad infection (like the late stages of Lyme disease) your immune system is really cranking, trying to find some antigen it can make antibodies against so it can fight the infection. Unfortunately, when your immune system is stressed that bad, it starts making mistakes, and can start making antibodies against things that aren't a problem, or worst case, part of your own body.
After that response has died down the cells that caused the problem don't go away. They are there waiting to see something they recognize so they can start the process all over again. Allergies work the same way (this is also the basis for how vaccines work). These cells can stick around for years or even a lifetime.
Wow, this brings back some bad memories. In the 70s, when I was in western KY attending Murray State University, I spent quite a bit of time at nearby Land Between the Lakes, AKA, "The Lonestar Tick Capital of the World"! You might walk around in the woods all day at LBL without one tick attaching itself, then POW, what seemed like thousands of the little buggers would be crawling all over you!! The "seed ticks", in reality, were larval stage Lonestars, which could be identified from the tiny star like markings on their backs. As I recall, the original "Permanone" (permethrin product) was developed specifically for use by workers/loggers in the LBL area due to the heavy number of Lonestars. As I said, LBL was (and IS) known for it's ticks. It's use was originally limited to just a few states. For the last few decades I've pre-treated my clothes with permethrin during spring turkey season and also in the fall until we get a killing frost. Wear rubber gloves and an carbon filter mask when spraying and watch where the over spray drifts. Make certain that waistlines, cuffs, and zippered openings get special coverage! Allow your sprayed outer garmants 2-4 hours to dry and then BAG them until you're ready to put to use. This helps extend the effectiveness of the treatment.I also wear elastiv bands around the tops of my boots to seal my pant cuffs.
I was born and raised in Florida. We had a sulphur water well. Even though we got bugs-chiggers, ticks, etc-we really noticed a difference when we went on vacation, and were away from the sulphur water. When we came back home, the bugs tore us up for about a week. When we had the sulphur back in our system, things were better. My grandfather always dusted his pant legs cuffs with sulphur powder.
My wife has lymes right now. She has an appointment with the infectous disease specialist tomorrow-her first. She doesn't hunt, doesn't wander in the woods, we don't have high grass, our dogs don't go in the woods, nor do our horses. I figure she either got a tick off of me, or from the buck I killed, when she was admiring him. Hopefully, we caught it early enough.
I've been lucky so far-KNOCK ON WOOD!!!! I use Sawyers or Permanone religiously, especially from March through November. I spray my bare skin with Deep Woods Off, put on my socks and spray them,, then put on my hunting clothes treated with a permethrin
I lost my Brother to "Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever", another Tick carried disease. He was 14 years old, I was 16. They got on the Dog during a weekend trip to visit relatives in West Virginia, back in 1975. My brother was fine for a week, then real sick for a week, then it took him. It was rare enough that they didn't recognize it in time, thought it was Scarlet Fever until it was too late. Very nasty illness. I have relatives in the Mountains that went thru it, recovered, but have very bad eyesight from it. Ticks are EVIL!
taking flowers of sulfer mixed with honey or something and warm water is what i've used for about 70 years. never have had one single tick bite. lots of times i come home from riding for cattle and have 20-30 ticks clinging to my t shirt, but they definitly don't cling to me.
my kids took it growing up and never had a tick bite either. have had some mosquitos bite anyway but very few.
Trab...get yourself some of the Sawyers product to treat your clothes...just be sure to let it dry completely. Forget the odor which is minimal anyway...a deer will smell you regardless of what you do as far as odor control. The only solution to that is keep the wind in your favor.
I'm in Ny too and the state is crawling with those little pests...tested positive for lyme exposure 15 years ago too...teh tick was still attached to my leg 2 days after my hunt ended.
The permanone definitely works...I spray my whole outfit including the fabric seat on my 3 legged stool and my fanny pack...everything. I have to say that I haven't found a tick on my clothes since I started using the stuff.
My Dad and I hunted Illinois back in 2006 during the opening week of archery deer season. It was record high temperatures...roughly in the high 90s for that week. When we made it back to Michigan a week later, I had one dug into my knee. I gently pulled it off and noticed a couple other ones. Ever since that ordeal, I haven't been back. I freaked out and went for a test...all came back negative. Of course this whole time waiting for the results, I was researching it on the Internet and talking to people who know others that have it...bad, bad stuff. The landowner in Illinois said it wasn't uncommon for him to remove 10-20 after a day outside and it didn't bother him at all.
Thanks guys for a lot of you relating to my concern......selfbow I think you are nice and thorough..
I've been lucky so far-KNOCK ON WOOD!!!! I use Sawyers or Permanone religiously, especially from March through November. I spray my bare skin with Deep Woods Off, put on my socks and spray them,, then put on my hunting clothes treated with a permethrin
And Pointer I will heed your advice with Sawyers .....
Much Appreciated Guys !!
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Trab
Thanks for the reminder.
I sprayed my clothes this weekend.
(After getting 3 tick bites chasing hogs. I didn't realize the ticks were out yet.)
I havent seen a tick in WV for a few years they must not like gettin on me.
Great thread! I never heard of the Tick Key, but I found some today and bought several to pass out to friends. My son got Lyme disease about 18 years ago on a summer trip to Oklahoma but caught it in time to where the antibiotics beat it down. He has not had a problem since. I get tested every year just to make sure.
I posted on this same topic last year.After hearing some great advice I went out shed hunting without spraying down and guess what!A critter attached to me.I got some blood test done come back neg.Another 14 days of doxiciline.
Never really thought about it until now but in the 26 years I lived on 80 acres of brush in northern California, I think I can only remember a couple of time when a tick actually bit someone in my family. Our well always had that sulfur smell and a ton of iron (you better like orange everything)? Never gave it much thought until this thread. We had billions of ticks and all of us had them on our bodies from time to time? Interesting, my horse's rarely had a tick burrow in but would be covered in them at certain times of the year.
Maybe there is something to this sulfur thing?
i'm gettin scared to go into the woods man.you guys are scarin me. :D :D :D :help:
My local Wally World stopped carrying the permethrin for clothes last season. Like Pavin I found it at REI. I've never heard of the product mentioned above by Sawyer. Can anyone provide any details? I've used sulphur powder successfully to combat chiggars for years. Keep it in an old sock in a plastic container in my truck. Dust myself with the sock before going into the field from April through September. Don't use it during the fall deer season because of odor. By the way, get the sulphur powder at your local feed store not the drug store. I promise you won't like the cost at the local CVS/Walgreen's. :help:
Evidently I've become complacent about ticks. I lived in and have hunted areas that are infested with ticks all my life. Kansas and Missouri have so many ticks that to go out in the field and not pickup any is rare. I use deet sprays most of the time but to go a week without having a tick or two bite you are rare. I live on a farm and every day I'm out out with animals and ticks.I've had many days when I'll pull 6-8 ticks off me. Every night when I shower I always check myself good and remove any that are stuck.Usually I feel them trying to burrow in and pull them quickly.Once on a hunt in Texas hill country I had 38 seed ticks on one leg and they are so small I just scraped them off with a pocket knife.I've always heard as long as you remove them within 24 hours the chances of transmission of disease are minimal.They are just a fact of life to me and so far after 59 years I haven't got any disease from them but I don't discount the possibility to get them, just keep watching the bites for any signs. Ben
Myself as well ks.. I am so used to ticks that I don't even think about them. I do spray from my knees down and COVER my boots with DEET. Before doing this it was not uncommon to pull off 6, 8 or more crawling ticks a day. I did start to wear shorts when scouting in August and early Sept just so I would feel the ticks crawling. I do make it a point to kill every tick that gets on me.. :goldtooth:
QuoteOriginally posted by ksbowman:
... I've always heard as long as you remove them within 24 hours the chances of transmission of disease are minimal. ..
transmission of borrelia or other infectious bacteria is dependent on basically two things: if the tick is carrying infectious bacteria and if the tick upchucks its stomach contents into your bloodstream.
the fact that it's sucking out yer blood is a oneway flow from you to it, and that will not allow transmission of disease to you. however, ticks that have been attached for up to and over 24 hours can have a 'reverse flow' as their stomachs fill with your blood, and the infection is streamed back into the host body (you).
you can make a tick 'sick' by doing an incorrect removal technique such as heating it with a lighted match, or covering it with nail polish or squeezing its body (thereby turning the bug into a hypo and injecting yerself with nasty tick juice).
the better removal method is grabbing at the head (which may already be imbedded under yer epidermis) or if yer lucky and it's not fully attached, by its proboscis, and pull straight out with no twisting. tweezers help lots, get it down low to yer skin. obviously the tick's size plays a big role in removal. the seed ticks are gonna be a gamble no matter what. wood and dog and deer ticks are bigger and at least somewhat easier to remove.
make no mistake - you can get lyme disease from any infected tick, not just deer ticks. the ticks pick up the borrelia mainly from rodents.
a tick's proboscis (mouth) has retractable 'barbs' that anchor the mouth and head under yer skin and once anchored they will not come out without busting off inside of you. pulling off the body and leaving the head and mouth stuck in you is far better than squeezing its body contents into you. the tick parts left in you will come out, eventually. been through that many times.
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Rob doesn't a tick secrete a solution to keep the blood from clotting as it feeds?And won't that carry the bacteria?
QuoteOriginally posted by lpcjon2:
Rob doesn't a tick secrete a solution to keep the blood from clotting as it feeds?
yes, and it also anaesthetises your skin so that you won't feel the tick biting or feeding
And won't that carry the bacteria?
i've not read that anywhere
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Oh and you can wear panty hose it helps the lower part of the body. I am going to regret this ,but I have worn them in the field and they do work for ticks and chiggers.So I will take the heat for it.Let it rip
And I am straight,6'3" and 230lbs of untamed Marine and willing to travel to defend my pride.So tread softly with the cracks. :goldtooth:
I got Lyme when I was a teen in the late 80's living near a lake and fishing almost every day. The doctor said I had food poisoning when I got sick for 2 weeks one summer. I had several slight symptons ever since. In 2005 it hit me like a brick and I was finally diagnosed and treated.
I don't remember ever seeing the bullseye rash. If you find an imbedded tick, go to the doctor and ask for the antibiotics. Better safe than sorry.
Just found a great source for permethrin.
Rural King sells it in the aminal treatment area. 8oz bottle of 10% for less than $10. Dilute it to 0.5% like Sawers, and you have 160oz.
160oz of Sawers 0.5% spray will run you about $125.
Guys, that's a $115 savings. I'm gonna take that savings and apply it to buying another bow :archer:
Went out the other day, heard some young turkeys off a hundred yards or so, saw one tom romancing a hen on the old private land that I hunted before it was sold, and came home with two ticks IN MY SHOE. Ipc, do you wear your tighty whities inside the nylons or outside the nylons?
I have been waiting to post this because others have ridiculed me for using this. I am cheap and like Bel007, I have been using the Rural King product for a number of years. I don't believe I have suffered any ill effects from it and I don't glow in the dark yet. What I do is mix it up in three or four gallons of water and soak my outer clothes, then dry. If you save what's left of the mixture it will last all year.
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Paven they go over the whites
Don't know much about this but I got an email from Legendary Whitetails about a new line of tick repellant clothing. Here is a link.
http://www.deergear.com/products.asp?dept=142
Tim,
The height, weight and you being a Marine doesn't scare me a bit but just the image of it scares the Heaby Cheabies out of me :laughing: