Post by: JC on April 27, 2007, 09:49:00 AM
Please, please...let's all try to make the knife posts an "appropriate percentage"...meaning there should be far more questions about hunting, new bow, new arrows, etc. posts thank knife posts. Your help would be greatly appreciated.
Post by: Charlie Lamb on April 27, 2007, 10:27:00 AM
Post by: madness522 on April 27, 2007, 11:03:00 AM
Post by: TradAlaska on April 27, 2007, 11:19:00 AM
Post by: dposalski on April 27, 2007, 11:23:00 AM
Post by: thp on April 27, 2007, 11:26:00 AM
Post by: bowdude on April 27, 2007, 11:28:00 AM
Post by: Ray Hammond on April 27, 2007, 11:35:00 AM
knappers
self bows
tipi-makers
atlatl throwers
anachronists
taxidermists
and on, and on....
Where could we stop? Could we turn down others? It would only end when it dilutes the site to being something OTHER than what it is, when the focus of the site that has CAUSED it to grow so much over the last couple of years is lost, and when that happens we would just dwindle away.
I love knives and participate on many of the threads ...but I did count as many as 9 on the first page one day a few weeks ago. I agree with the other mods on this one.
Post by: JC on April 27, 2007, 11:43:00 AM
But since this NOT a personal request, your suggestion doesn't help the basis of the issue that we are NOT a knife focused bulletin board.
A seperate knife forum has been discussed and is not in the plans currently.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, nor do I have anything against these types of posts...I'm a certified knife nut. But, plain and simple, we are a Traditional Bowhunting Bulletin board and we as moderators and admin are simply trying to keep the focus on track. We have been agonizing over this issue for some time...hoping the focus would not be diluted by our obvious interests in good steel...but it has.
These types of posts are difficult for me and the rest of those shouldered with the task of keeping the site moving in it's purposed direction...but it's a task that we will continue to perform to serve that purpose.
Post by: tippit on April 27, 2007, 11:46:00 AM
Post by: Over&Under on April 27, 2007, 11:53:00 AM
It would be tough as a moderator/knife nut to make this dicision for the greater good of the site, and I applaud you and the others.
Thanks
Jake
Post by: beachbowhunter on April 27, 2007, 12:05:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 27, 2007, 12:40:00 PM
Trad Gang is not about knives ... nor hatchets, nor taxidermy, nor knapping, nor bow making, and you know what else will fit.
But it's OK to talk about all these things, and more, here at PowWow, because all are connected to our trad bowhunting.
HOWEVER, we (Admins and Mods) are greatly concerned when a particular peripheral part of our sport gets unbridled and continual coverage that literally steals from Trad Gang's prime directive - focusing on trad bowhunting.
Thank you all for your understanding, thank you for your support of your Trad Gang.
And thank you JC, for this topic post.
Post by: robtattoo on April 27, 2007, 01:10:00 PM
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Post by: madness522 on April 27, 2007, 01:27:00 PM
Thanks moderators and admin for your time, energy and efforts that keep this site up and running. It it dearly appreciated.
Post by: Whip on April 27, 2007, 01:29:00 PM
I agree there has probably been too much lately. Kind of like we were driving down the road and got so caught up in the beautiful scenery we wandered off on the shoulder a bit. Thanks for bringing us back on the main highway!
I hope it can go as Rob suggests, and that they will find there way into threads occasionally, along with all of the other things that we enjoy. At the end of the day, it is traditioanl bowhunting that brings us here in the first place, and sharing all of the things that are related to it is good. I hope it can still continue on occasion without getting out of hand.
Post by: NY Yankee on April 27, 2007, 01:32:00 PM
Post by: Buz-AL@work on April 27, 2007, 02:54:00 PM
[sigh]
Post by: 4runr on April 27, 2007, 03:04:00 PM
I personally learned alot in the last while about knives and their construction, however, as you stated this about traditional bowhunting and all that goes along with it. I did find a knife forum the other day at which I can feed my knife fetish and will refrain from posting as much here about knives. Thanks mods and admin for the best place on the net continuing as is!!! :thumbsup: :clapper:
Post by: Arrowslinger on April 27, 2007, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: JEFF B on April 27, 2007, 03:17:00 PM
Post by: Shawn Leonard on April 27, 2007, 03:22:00 PM
Post by: JC on April 27, 2007, 03:54:00 PM
And if you want to make your case, a public tantrum is not the appropriate manner, take it up privately with admin. Getting defensive is not going to get you anywhere...if your goal is truly to further traditional bowhunting as ours is.
Post by: Bill Kissner on April 27, 2007, 04:12:00 PM
I think the reason we see a "turnover" in posters on any board is after a while the oldest members have discussed to death every facet of the subject and are burnt out and kinda fade off into the sunset.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 27, 2007, 04:30:00 PM
What we're saying is that if you see there are already two threads on knives and you want to post a knife thread, please consider holding back 'til those other threads roll off and down the line.
Thanx.
Post by: dposalski on April 27, 2007, 04:41:00 PM
We see many threads that are "show me all your_______" and "which ______ is the best for ________".
I think the earlier type of post I stated may become rather cumbersome, but the latter post is inherently why many of us are here. It is to glean information, skills, talent, equipment, etc. from others who have more experience.
Maybe a "Show and Tell" forum would be a helpful way of curtailing the thread activity. As a newbie to bowhunting, I would love to not miss any pertinent, helpful thread because there is just a bunch of unrelated traffic pushing the threads down of the first page or two.
My pair of pennies.
Post by: Bob Walker on April 27, 2007, 04:44:00 PM
Respectfully...........
Post by: Guru on April 27, 2007, 04:57:00 PM
I love knives and love seeing the stuff folks make here,most of them are personal friends of mine. My opinion is it's fine to post pix of knives that have something to do with fellow tg'ers.
A knife made by a TG'er and given/traded/or bought by another TG'er.A knife made for the ST Judes auction,a sponsor, and so on.IMHO they have a lot to do with TG or trad bowhunting.
But when someone is just posting pic about a knife they bought somewhere else and has absolutely no tie to TG,they don't belong here.Also a pic of every knive someone makes,it doesn't belong here......we would be simply overwelmed with knife posts......
Jeremy, Doc, Rob, Doug occasionally post a pic or two,but they don't overdo it...I think that's they key here....
Joe, You did fine bud.......
Post by: Talondale on April 27, 2007, 05:20:00 PM
I too, think all the knife threads are due to people not being able to hunt so they're in their shops making things. I love all the projects on here and they've inspired me to make turkey calls, back quiver and harvest osage staves to try making a selfbow so I'd hate to see them disappear all together.
Post by: sticshooter on April 27, 2007, 05:26:00 PM
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I aggree 100% with the mods. I have seen way to many posts about knives lately and even told terry in a email. I did think that a forum for knives and maybe other trad related build alongs would have been cool but hey thats me and I'm just me. I have no problem not posting about knives. I know I have done more then my share of knife posts. I was almost giving a knife a week away! Which was a blast for me. But it's not what TG is about.I was also posting about knives I have made way toooo much. For all this I am truly sorry. Jc no hard feelings on my part. This is a great site to be able to visit and there is a reason for that. The Mods and Rob and Terry do a awesome job and most know it's not a easy one to have.<><
Post by: Shawn Leonard on April 27, 2007, 07:46:00 PM
Post by: Otto on April 27, 2007, 10:11:00 PM
HAW!!! HAWWW!!!!! Man, I crack myself up!!!!!!
Post by: cjones on April 28, 2007, 12:12:00 AM
Post by: highnoonhunter on April 28, 2007, 12:48:00 AM
Especially considering the fact that some knife makers are sponsors.
Treestands, backpacks, hats, coats, etc., are all part of trad bowhunting. At any given time some of these things could coincedently pop up at 8-10 at a time.
Oh well....................
hnh signing out-
God Bless
Post by: [email protected] on April 28, 2007, 03:17:00 AM
I don't have a dog in this fight as I sold the business to Chad.
I have noticed over the years at this site and others that knife posts do come and go. Sometimes nothing, then BANGO, there is a mess of them. The reason I noticed...more posts, more knives and blades sold!
I think it is mostly just a cyclical thing.
Certainly enough is enough and one hell of a tough call.
HOWEVER, if someone is "pumping" the system then the onus is on the moderators to go to the problem, not some guy showing off the labor of his love.
Bob
Post by: IB on April 28, 2007, 09:28:00 AM
May I suggest that what was ORIGONALLY POSTED be re-READ as well as what has been said by every Mod. and Admin. with OPEN MINDS.
"Please, please...let's all try to make the knife posts an "appropriate percentage"...meaning there should be far more questions about hunting, new bow, new arrows, etc. posts thank knife posts. Your help would be greatly appreciated"
Unless I have totally lost my ability to reason all I see being said is to re-quote Mr. Leonard
USE SOME "COMMON SENSE"
If there already 5 threads of the same topic join in one, or wait a bit. At the very least can you make it TRAD ARCHERY RELATED.
Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 28, 2007, 09:40:00 AM
I was just about to post a reply but thankfully just saw Vance's post, and what he's saying says it all.
We wish to keep Trad Gang's prime focus on traditional bowhunting.
We WANT knife topics.
We would NOT like that a bevy of knife topics would in any way shift the focus of Trad Gang away from traditional bowhunting. This can easily encourage others to join Trad Gang to solely talk about knives. I can see where that's happened already. Nor would any of us be pleased that there are members "working the board" for their own personal gain.
So we ask you, we don't tell you, to please be considerate about peripheral gear topic posts. That's all.
This is your free, public Trad Gang - use it in the spirit it was created: 101% traditional bowhunting.
Thank you.
Rob.
Post by: Joe Subler on April 28, 2007, 09:40:00 AM
Joe
Post by: MYSTIKBOW on April 28, 2007, 09:57:00 AM
Post by: Marblesonac on April 28, 2007, 10:22:00 AM
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Originally posted by DEERSLAYER1961:Deerslayer, I have to disagree. This is the most UNSELFISH and generous group I've ever been around.
My point exactly. Another petty, and immature response by the moderators. You should be trying to set an example for others on how to behave. This shows very little class, and what TG is really all about (selfishness)!
>DEERSLAYER---->
It's refreshing to see. Instead of petty fights and insults that I sometimes see at other sites, I see care and giving here.
Post by: Whip on April 28, 2007, 10:34:00 AM
This site has grown to over 12,000 members due mostly to the steady control and direction of the moderators. The main reason I came here to start with, and why I find myself drawn to it so much, is because bickering and complaining is not common. That is something that can easily get out of hand without a gentle hand on our shoulders from time to time. I understand the desire and need to keep the focus where it should be so that this site stays true to its purpose, and that is traditional bowhunting. That's all I've seen anyone ask for here, and I thank them for it.
Now I'm going to go outside and shoot some arrows!
Post by: Danny Rowan on April 28, 2007, 10:38:00 AM
Danny
Post by: ber643 on April 28, 2007, 01:24:00 PM
(A "catastrophe" here on TG could be something like: so manny posts allowed on so many various topics/sub-topics, without any "caution lights", that the site became so big it could no longer realisticly exist as we know and love it - thus no longer providing us with this home away from home that the majority of us love so well.)
I, for one/of many, will try to do my best - to do my very best, within the "speed limits"! FWIW :thumbsup:
Post by: sticshooter on April 28, 2007, 01:33:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 28, 2007, 01:42:00 PM
You are certainly a core member of Trad Gang and your posts and insights are always refreshing and insightful. Thank you Bernie!
OK, so, who has never made a mistake here at Trad Gang?
NOT ME!
To err is human and I prove my humanity daily! I know I've made some posting errors right here on PowWow, and someone always points 'em out to me and I just correct 'em. Most of the Mods have made errors, too. No big deal, no one's being held accountable. None of this is what this thread is about, either!
The theme of this here topic that JC started is just to ask y'all to take note of any existing knife threads afore ya decide to start yet another new one.
That's it!
We're just asking ya to think before ya leap. There is no banning of knife threads - that would be plain stupid.
To all of those that posted negatively on this thread - please reconsider what the positive posts are saying. I hope now you'll better understand, and reconsider your thoughts and opinions of your Trad Gang.
Best to all,
Rob.
Post by: Shawn Leonard on April 28, 2007, 01:54:00 PM
Post by: LAR43 on April 28, 2007, 02:13:00 PM
I make knives & love the process. Over the past month I haven't posted or added anything to any knife posts just to see the direction this issue was going. I even held off posting here since yesterday.
Moderating a site with as many members & subjects as this one has is a monumental task. It ain't fall off a log easy. There's a hell of a lot going on behind the scenes to keep this site the way it is.
Give 'em credit for their day over day efforts on our behalf.
JMHO
Larry
Post by: DarkeGreen on April 28, 2007, 02:17:00 PM
I've been on a bunch of sites in my life time that covered just about everything you can think of and none of them run as smooth as this one. They get nasty with each other, mods hammer people and banish them from returning, you have name calling and all type of bad behavior.
This site runs smooth because of the mods and a request to slow the post down wasn't unreasonable. They have a thankless job and it seem like we may be picking on them a bit here when we should try to be a little more understanding.
I vote we get the thread behind us, respect their request to slow down a little, and thank the mods for a wonderful site, and close this thread.
Anyone want to second my recommendation?
Post by: ozarkcherrybow1 on April 28, 2007, 02:22:00 PM
I think Bernie said it best....Terry
Post by: dachba on April 28, 2007, 02:44:00 PM
Dave in Ft. Collins, CO
Post by: traditional_archer on April 28, 2007, 03:39:00 PM
""This site runs smooth because of the mods and a request to slow the post down wasn't unreasonable. They have a thankless job and it seem like we may be picking on them a bit here when we should try to be a little more understanding.
I vote we get the thread behind us, respect their request to slow down a little, and thank the mods for a wonderful site, and close this thread.
Anyone want to second my recommendation?""
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Post by: 4runr on April 28, 2007, 03:42:00 PM
Kenny
Post by: LAR43 on April 28, 2007, 03:54:00 PM
Larry
Post by: RedTx on April 28, 2007, 08:39:00 PM
Here is my question and maybe someone can explain i to me. This thread has reached 5 pages so far. There have many experienced bow hunters, moderators and others respond. There is a guy actually asking a question about peeling goose feathers. I dont even know what that means, but not one person has responded to him?????? Im pretty sure some one knows? Im pretty sure its a traditional gear? Im pretty sure it isnt a overly asked question?
I see that on alot of threads. People asking serious questions about stuff, and it gets 1 maybe 2 responses, and sometimes none???
I dont get it. Im not complaining just dont understand how everyone is like "everyone is so helpful and giving"
JMO whatever that is worth
Post by: Shawn Leonard on April 28, 2007, 08:45:00 PM
Post by: Rob DiStefano on April 28, 2007, 08:49:00 PM