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Title: The ugliest moccassins ever-But I still love em!!!
Post by: Chris Shelton on March 25, 2010, 11:02:00 AM
So I dont know exactly where it came from, but it has always been a dream of mine to hunt in moccassins.  Not just any mocs though.  I wanted to make my own!  I tan every skin that I can get my hands on, I even tryed catfish last summer  :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: The ugliest moccassins ever-But I still love em!!!
Post by: mcgroundstalker on March 25, 2010, 11:07:00 AM
Now that is way cool! I kinda like one of a kind stuff myself...   :rolleyes:   Ugly they ain't... useful they be...

... mike ...
Title: Re: The ugliest moccassins ever-But I still love em!!!
Post by: Mudd on March 25, 2010, 11:17:00 AM
How about sharing your pattern? I'd try yours since mine are all low tops.
Thanks in advance.
God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: The ugliest moccassins ever-But I still love em!!!
Post by: Chris Shelton on March 25, 2010, 11:20:00 AM
Yea mudd, just give me a bit here.  That was one of the main reasons I wanted to make my own, because I couldnt find any like that!
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Post by: cacciatore on March 25, 2010, 11:27:00 AM
WOW,I like them;my size is 10.LOL
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Post by: zinndl on March 25, 2010, 11:33:00 AM
I like'em!
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Post by: Rick D on March 25, 2010, 11:33:00 AM
I am right there with you. It has always been a dream of mine to hunt in Mocs, tho my dream also includes homemade self bow and arrows with point i've knapped, but thats another story.

I dont think they look ugly, just "rough", you just need to learn about stitching and leather craft a bit more. As long as you're happy with them and you'll actually wear them to hunt, then you're halfway to your goal.
Title: Re: The ugliest moccassins ever-But I still love em!!!
Post by: Looper on March 25, 2010, 11:50:00 AM
They look just like a pair I made when I was in high school.  Mine didn't last very long.  The stitching stretched and my toes poked through. Actually, now that I think about it, you're look 100 times better than mine.
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Post by: joevan125 on March 25, 2010, 12:06:00 PM
I think they are pretty cool but if i hunted with those things on my feet where i hunt my feet would be wet 2 minutes into the hunt.
Title: Re: The ugliest moccassins ever-But I still love em!!!
Post by: Chris Shelton on March 25, 2010, 12:20:00 PM
here ya go Mudd, and anyone else that wants it.  I tried to scan it, but the page was too big, and it just didnt work, so you get a picture, lol.  The grid is to scale, and each block is 1".  I am a size 15!

  (http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae73/Guitararcher/Clipboard01-1.jpg) (http://s959.photobucket.com/albums/ae73/Guitararcher/?action=view¤t=Clipboard01-1.jpg)  

One thing I left out before as well is that the leather is chrome tanned with a vegitable dye on top(vegitable tan without the salt).  You guys cant see it, and neither can I really for that matter, but I pulled the hide out a bit early and it was swirly brown with the green chrome hide in blotches.  Which I thought was gonna be like a cool camo type dye.  But when I oiled it it basically all turned brown!
Title: Re: The ugliest moccassins ever-But I still love em!!!
Post by: Chris Shelton on March 25, 2010, 12:27:00 PM
There are things I would definatly change!  I would make the end of the slopes on the back peice a point.  Make the back a couple inches wider, so that it wraps around the front a bit more.  It does that now, when I lace them tight to my leg, but I would like it to overlap a bit more.  

right now I just have the stitch around the front toes, but I am eventually going to use the lace and go around in the opposite direction of the B-50 stitching.  I think?  Other than that it is perfect . . .

O if you do use leather with fur, make sure you pay attention the direction you cut  :knothead: , it is common sense, but I was too dumb to think about it.  So on the one moc the hair is sticking up instead of nice and sloped down like the other one.  Definatly not a big deal, but it kinda bugs me!
Title: Re: The ugliest moccassins ever-But I still love em!!!
Post by: bolong on March 25, 2010, 12:36:00 PM
looks like your bout ready to start a shoe manufacturing company.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The ugliest moccassins ever-But I still love em!!!
Post by: Chris Shelton on March 25, 2010, 12:39:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by bolong:
looks like your bout ready to start a shoe manufacturing company.   :saywhat:    :biglaugh:
Title: Re: The ugliest moccassins ever-But I still love em!!!
Post by: Mudd on March 25, 2010, 01:10:00 PM
You say your a 15. If I counted correctly there are 12 squares from end to end. Is that what works for a size 15? I am a size 12.

Thanks again.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: The ugliest moccassins ever-But I still love em!!!
Post by: Chris Shelton on March 25, 2010, 01:27:00 PM
yup 12 squares, but actually the slippers I am wearing now say 13, my current shoes are 15, but they are cut weird.  I would actually feel more faithful in the slippers.  My boots are 14's, lol.  So I really havent got a clue.  Either way, definatly 12 squares fits my foot like a glove!
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Post by: NorthernCaliforniaHunter on March 25, 2010, 03:48:00 PM
Dang Chris, you don't have feet, you have skis!
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Post by: reddogge on March 25, 2010, 05:22:00 PM
Chris, nice job.  Be careful in them in mud.  You will bust your butt.

Here's a tip for the next pair.  I use artificial sinew to sew them that you can get from many suppliers including Tandy.  Make your pattern big enough so you sew the moccassin inside out.  I use a welt (strip of leather between the pieces that protects the stitching) also.  Then when you reverse it you have a neat seam and you can't see the stitching.

I'd be glad to post a pic or two but I didn't want to hijack your post or I could PM you pics.
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Post by: SveinD on March 25, 2010, 05:57:00 PM
Them shoes look like a toy giraffe we used to have on Norwegian kids-tv 25yrs ago.
That said, they do look snug and comfy ^^
Title: Re: The ugliest moccassins ever-But I still love em!!!
Post by: Chris Shelton on March 25, 2010, 06:30:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by reddogge:
I'd be glad to post a pic or two but I didn't want to hijack your post or I could PM you pics.
Well I really wanted some sinew, but I litterally have 0 dollars in my account!  So I just used b-50, poor boys gotta use what they can.  

I sewed the bottom seem from the inside, but I purposly sewed the top of tht front from the outside, because that is the way I see mocs generally.  But I defiantly think now I would rather the seam be on the inside.  

Please please go ahead and post some.  I use this cite to learn thing!!!  And you have the knowledge, so feel free to share!!!  :archer:
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Post by: lpcjon2 on March 25, 2010, 07:15:00 PM
Will we be seeing buckskin or rabbit fur underwear? And Chris I wear a size 15 1/2 so if you have the time I could use a pair Thanks
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Post by: Chesapeake on March 25, 2010, 07:43:00 PM
I think you messed up big time. Seems you started out trying to make moccassins and ended up with Mukluks!! LOL

I think they are great. We made those in school as a craft in Alaska. We doubled up the sole for wear resistance and padding and the seams were laced with leather like what you have for laces.

They should be quiet for stalking.
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Post by: glenbo on March 25, 2010, 07:48:00 PM
Anybody could buy moccasins.To me ,if you make something yourself and YOU like it that is all that matters.good job.Glen
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Post by: hawk4570 on March 25, 2010, 07:58:00 PM
not so bad
Title: Re: The ugliest moccassins ever-But I still love em!!!
Post by: straitera on March 25, 2010, 08:35:00 PM
I like 'em! Hope they hold up good for you.
Title: Re: The ugliest moccassins ever-But I still love em!!!
Post by: jerryb on March 25, 2010, 09:02:00 PM
They look gret to me   :cool:  I'm going to try to make a pair.  :thumbsup:    :notworthy:
Title: Re: The ugliest moccassins ever-But I still love em!!!
Post by: Tulku on March 25, 2010, 09:41:00 PM
Great moccs!

I got sucked in by the tittle but I think these look great!
I'm just curious to know what kind of traction you get.
I've walked up some steep hills in leather soled shoes and discovered they were to slick for me to stand upright.
Now, I glue on a layer of powdered/ground up rubber tire mixed with barge cement.  
(I like to build it up about 1/4" thick)
it helps with grip & traction as well as being water resistant.

-Joshua-
Title: Re: The ugliest moccassins ever-But I still love em!!!
Post by: Jeff Romans on March 25, 2010, 10:55:00 PM
:thumbsup:
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Post by: Bowferd on March 25, 2010, 11:08:00 PM
I'll bet they will stretch to fit.
Just goes to show that one good hide could take a man thru "Many Good Seasons".
Wanted to post the first recomendation for the name of your new business.
All I ask is 1%.
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Post by: Lowrider on March 25, 2010, 11:26:00 PM
:clapper:
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Post by: JMartin on March 25, 2010, 11:41:00 PM
Pretty darn cool!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The ugliest moccassins ever-But I still love em!!!
Post by: Chris Shelton on March 26, 2010, 09:12:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Bowferd:
Wanted to post the first recomendation for the name of your new business.
All I ask is 1%.
O I am pretty sure I am starting a business . . . just not with moccasins, lol.  If you are getting married on the other hand!  Give me a call  :biglaugh:
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Post by: Dave Bowers on March 26, 2010, 10:00:00 AM
Those are great!!!
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Post by: reddogge on March 26, 2010, 10:32:00 AM
Chris,
Here are pics of winter mocs sewn inside out with elkhide.  They have felt liners and rubber booties.  I imagine sewing hair on you'd have to do some trimming around the edges first.
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/reddogge/Muzzloading%20rifles/IMG_1110.jpg)
Here are the pair for my son and me from 1980 summer mocs.  Kind of shapeless without feet in them.  I use a flip flop bottom for cushion as I have tender feet.
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/reddogge/Muzzloading%20rifles/IMG_1111.jpg)
(//%3Cbr%20/%3EHere%20is%20the%20detail%20on%20the%20welt%20construction.%20%20The%20welt%20is%20wider%20when%20sewn%20and%20then%20cut%20close%20to%20outside%20when%20finished.%3Cbr%20/%3E%20%20%5Bimg%5Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/reddogge/Muzzloading%20rifles/IMG_1112.jpg)
Good luck and keep sewing.
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Post by: Hunter 709 on March 26, 2010, 10:59:00 AM
I have definitely seen fancier moccascins, but I wouldn't call them ugly.  There's something specially about using stuff that you've made yourself on your hunts.  Way to go Chris.
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Post by: li'ljohn on March 26, 2010, 03:22:00 PM
That's pretty good work, for a first try. You should have seen my first pair of mocs.

I'm new here, but I have made several pairs of mocs, using light buckskin to heavy moose and buffalo, made from the pattern the page at the link. The moose and buffalo leather was bought, BTW.

   http://www.southernindiandept.org/mocpattern.htm    

An outer sole, reaching about 3/4" up the side of the moc, was  glued on with a generous amount of rubber cement, then stitched on around the edges.

The rubber cement provides a nearly water proof sole, in most weather.

I have found that walking in mocs requires a different style of walking. Short choppy steps, especially when walking up hill or down hill, will prevent most falls, even in mud or wet leaves.

Li'ljohn
Title: Re: The ugliest moccassins ever-But I still love em!!!
Post by: Chris Shelton on March 26, 2010, 03:31:00 PM
wow red dodge, that is amazing!  I so wish I had decided what I was gonna do with the hide BEFORE I started tanning it, lol.  Then I would have definatly taken the hair off.  These are definatly a "trial" pair, but I will still use them, at least during the summer for groundhogs, lol.  But I defiantly want to go at it again, without the hair.
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Post by: Jeremy on March 27, 2010, 02:04:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/fliksr/quivers/dscn2957.jpg)

I make 'em like reddogge mostly.  Above is a sideseam moc I  made right after my daughter was born in January... it's mate hasn't been started.  I wanted a light weight moc for the warm months with a few extras.  Heavy chap leather lined with a light leather, another leather midsole and a water barrier should make for nice walking.

My hightop winter mocs will have wool liners and are going to be made out of a real nice chap leather... I tested it by putting a puddle of water on it and letting it sit for 10 minutes... after that the leather hadn't absorbed any of it - and that was w/o treating it!
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Post by: 23feetupandhappy on April 02, 2010, 09:28:00 PM
I like um.....should be nice and quiet in the woods.