if any one has this rec may i have your thoughts please
I had a DAS Hunter,nice bow,,,but.
I ever spend that sort of money again,it will be on a Titan from Tradtech,AMO compatable,simpler ILF connection system,arguably the best limbs that money can buy,,,what limbs you get with the Dalla is anybodys guess,an R3 won't tell you what they are.
That AMO thing was a real biggie for me,I didn't like the fact that to use a quiver,I had to buy a bracket that still didn't match the combination I wanted to use properly if I stayed with my plunger rest.
The titan has exactly the same pyhsical spec's as the Dalla,but it's fully AMO compatable and uses the standard ILF system,,,and it works with any rest you want.
I've heard that the new Dalaas will have standard AMO holes for quivers.
The DAS limb mounting system is one of the best designs out there. There is a reason that Mr. Souza chose it over the standard ILF system.
Also, if you are worried about the limbs (the standard Dalaa limbs are pretty darn nice), you can just buy the riser, and then put whatever limbs on it you choose (just depends on how much $$ you want to spend).
I like the longer 21" riser and it can be bought with ilf plates if you wish.I am not much on any of the shorter ilf risers because I just prefer longer bows than the shorter ones make.Great for guys that like short bows but I am just not one of them. :)
The DAS limb connection is great if you only have one bow or riser.It is a pain if you like to swap around limbs between different ilf risers however.
I had a DAS Dalaa,it was a great recurve,very adjustable,solid and smooth shooting recurve.
I would have to agree with Earthdog and James Wrenn in that the ILF connection is much more convenient in my opinion. To my knowledge, pretty much every one of the new hunting risers designed to use ILF limbs is also using the ILF connection.
I think at one time, there was some thought that using the ILF connection on shorter risers would cause limb failure but I haven't heard or read of any cases where that has actually happened.
They are both really good risers, just depends on what features you think are important. SKY and Morrison are two others that you might want to check in to.
I also had a DAS Dalaa. Great shooter , easy to tune . Decided to stay with Long Bows foe now . Take care , Randy
The Dalaa is set-up well for shooting off the shelf and the DAS limb connection system is solid. If Dave Sosa hadn't restarted the ILF limb hunting risers, there most likely wouldn't be so many available now. There's a reason the Titan shares so many characteristics with the DAS risers after all.
The compounders copied us Biggie, not the other way around. :)
What are the pros and cons of ilf vs. Das connection? What is this I hear about pads wearing out on the das.
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What are the pros and cons of ilf vs. Das connection? What is this I hear about pads wearing out on the das.
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You are probably going to get a lot of opinions on this but in my mind, the difference is pretty simple. The ILF connection is much more convenient in that it is truly "universal." Any ILF limb will snap into any ILF riser without any modifications such as swapping out bushings and modifying limb butts. Some would argue that the Dalaa connection is gives more preload adjustment. but from what I have seen, it is relatively minute. For those that want that extra couple degrees in adjustment, what you give up on the convenience side might be worth it. I doubt very seriously that anyone here is going to notice the difference in shootability between the two connections. Maybe on a scale, but not on the range or in the field. Let's face it, the vast majority of us just aren't that good. I kind of look at it this way, if I had 3 more horsepower in my truck, I wouldn't ever notice it, therefore in my mind I wouldn't give up any convenience to get it. Some people would...it's a personal choice. For those that truly are good enough to notice, like the Olympians and elite level target shooters, they all seem to be ok with the ILF system.
Some people would argue that the Dalaa connection is quieter for a hunting riser but in my experience, getting a bow hunting quiet is more a matter of limb choice and setup than the type of connection. Of all the ILF Morrisons, Titans, SKY's, etc., that are set up to hunt, I don't think I have ever heard anyone complain about them being noisy.
Unstrung, the Dalaa connection is more secure. the limb is not going to come off unless you unscrew it. With the ILF connection, it snaps out. I've never had one fall out but I guess it could and has happened. When strung, there is no difference.
As far has your question about the Dalaa pads wearing out, I have no idea about that.
Like I said before, they are both very nice systems...it just a matter of what you personally want.
The Dalaa connection offers not only more preload adjustment, but a quieter and more bulletproof system for hunting. The ILF system is no doubt more convenient, and probably the system to use if you're a target archer, but for hunting, the Dalaa connection system is as good as it gets :)
I've been shooting DAS bows for years, leaving them strung almost all the time and have never had a limb pad wear out or even show signs of wear.
Craig
What vermonster13 said.
Plus great risers/bows, sweet shooting, quiet and versatile.
I had a 62' 45# Dalaa. Nice bow. It was very dead in the hand at the shot. Smooth, but not as smooth as my Quinn at the same draw weight. I just could not get it to bare shaft as well as I would have liked. The week-end before deer season, I shot it side by side with my Black Widow PA and decided to use the widow for the season. I simply shot it better. I sold the Dalaa and bought another Black Widow.
I would like to know where the screw,bolt or what ever is that allows the Dalaa riser to have more pre load than other ILF risers? The one I have doesn't have or I can't find anything that would allow more preload. Other than the main bolt being as tight as possible.
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I would like to know where the screw,bolt or what ever is that allows the Dalaa riser to have more pre load than other ILF risers? The one I have doesn't have or I can't find anything that would allow more preload. Other than the main bolt being as tight as possible.
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I was just going by what the claims are. I tend to agree that if there is a difference, it would be at the lowest preload setting and very minute.
As far as the Dalaa being quieter, that has not been my experience. Set up the same, same limbs, same string, same silencers, same arrow weight...no difference.
I've had one for about 2 months and really like it. I also have a BW recurve as well as an ACS and shoot the dalaa best of all. It shot well right out of the box and with minimal tuning it's even better. I can see how the limb attachment system would be a disadvantage with multiple risers but I only have one and don't care, and the 3R limbs are fine with me. I shoot in an indoor winter league with some real hot shots and with the dalaa I can at least marginally hang with them, not so much with the other bows, altho many others do well with them.
I don't consider it compound like at all and will trade accuracy and fun for fine woodwork and frustration.
It's very easy to change any Das limb to an ILF limbs and back again- The Das connection is much more secure, I had an ILF limb fall off in the unstrung position the first day I had it. The choice of limbs for these bows are endless, and you can get limbs that will make your bow anywhere from 58" to 62" by just changing the limbs On a 17" riser. I have owned a fair amouint of bows in my life and these are as comfortable and accurate to shoot as any I have ever had.
I'm with you Lenny. I have heard this a lot over the years, about the preload being adjustable and all the other adjustment only on the DAS, Dalaa. The only time I have seen the ILF setup noisier is before you string them up, strung up and snapped into place I see no difference in sound. So what I'm trying to find out is: Is there a adjustment for preload that is different and any other ILF riser? Are there any adjustment on the Dalaa that is not available on most ILF risers?
There is no extra pre-load adjustment on a DAS riser. The only difference is the being able to tighten down the limb where the bushing would be on a standard ILF limb.
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I'm with you Lenny. I have heard this a lot over the years, about the preload being adjustable and all the other adjustment only on the DAS, Dalaa.
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I'm sure you know way more about this than me but from what I understand, the claim is that in the very lowest preload setting, the ILF dovetail can bind. Personally, I have never experienced this, even with the limb bolt backed out well beyond where I would ever shoot it. I just wanted to see if it would indeed bind. Like I said before, if there is binding, it is probably going to be at the extreme low end of the preload range. This is my own personal opionion but I think it is more likely to happen on a computer program than in real life.
If a guy with a 32" draw is using short limbs on your mini 14 riser, I'm guessing he's going to be headed for trouble...regardless of the connection. :scared:
My DAS hunter had four string silencers on the string as it came from the manufacturer plus the DAS limb pads.
My current ILF have two silencers and no padding,,their all pretty much the same as far as noise is concerned.
It's "great" that the new Dalla is now AMO compatable.
Every ILF bow I've seen can be set up with the preload you want,most also have adjustable limb alignment.
The recurve and Compound will always have some relationship to each other,,,there both just bows,,where do we think we would be today had the compound out come along,,,pretty much where we are I'd say.
David designed a great bow an set the ball in motion,,,,that was a very good thing.
Usually if the dovetail binds you have taken more than 5 turns out on your bolt, and I have seen some ILF limbs that have a slight radius and you can bind them by make them too tight.
The Mini 13 aka Mini 14 Maybe 30" with long limbs and withs bolt 4 to 5 turns out. After learning how the ILF risers are measured, I will be changing our numbering on the ILF risers, Mini 14 will be Mini 13, 16 to 15, 18 to 17, 20 to 19. I was using the overall length of the riser..
I've only been making ILF stuff for a little over 3 yrs now. They are still just a bow and I still have more to learn.
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They are still just a bow and I still have more to learn.
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Isn't that the truth...for all of us.
I have a Dalaa Riser, the limbs are Trad Tech's Carbon Black Max. It was very simple to change out the dovetail ILF to the DAS bushings. The dovetail pressed out with a vise and I tapped in the bushings. The bow is very quite and smooth to shoot. I have been shooting AD Trad Lites and Heritage 150's from it.
I have a Dalaa and love it. I don't really know much about other bows, but I have shot BW's and I don't like them, (plus I don't like the looks of a BW, but that is just me, most people love them) The pre load on the Dalaa will allow you to tune the tiller to your likes, say for 3 under instead of split. I have found that the string supplied with the Dalaa is not as good or quite as some after market strings. I have a SBD on the way right now and have used the flemish twist strings from 3R. I am still working on getting it as quiet as I would like, but people standing next to me at times have said all they hear is the arrow and not the bow. As far as I am concerned this will be my last recurve, it's been making meat for me and hopefullly will ccntinue to do so for a long time.
JMHO
I bought a Dalaa 62" 55lb 17" riser to try out a couple of months ago. It is the first recurve I have ever shot. Not sure if it is representative of recurves in general, but this thing is a tank when compared to my Toelke Whip, Hill Big Five, or Aspen Elite. Heavy and unforgiving! When I do everything right on the shot, it is a very solid satisfying thunk. Slightest torque of the bow hand or pluck of the string and it's so loud the birds quit singing. I know I will continue making bad shots, hopefully less over time. However, my longbows love me even when I screw up....just like my wife.
I had one of the original Das bows.The limb pads would wear out and you would know it real quick.The bow would get very noisy and no way to fix it without putting out $38 for new pads and washers.Once they compress the brass fitting can hit on the metal riser.Now everything might be different including the material in the pads but at least on the orginal it was an on-going mantainence cost for me.That and the fact you had to have a bulky bracket to use AMO sights,AMS reels ect was the reason I sold mine.Good bow and I liked the way it shot but found I much prefered the ilf bows.No cost for limb bushings,no washers and pads to replace and not time swaping out limbs with other risers.As far as the extra preload goes, with a 17" riser you are goinf to be shooting them in the mid adjustment range times out of 10 anyway so more does not really mean a thing.
You can contribute most of the netal riser ilf comeback to Bob Gordon.If not for most of us shooting his Warf bows we never would have ever give the DAS a try in the first place and most likely it would never have been built if the Warf bows had not become so popular. jmho
I have owned 4 DAS bows, and my father has 1 all with the DAS connection, all being left strung most of the time, and all having significant shooting time on them, and I have seen zero wear to the limb pads or anything else on the bows. None of mine have been the early bows though. I have had no maintenance issues with my DAS bows, and find them very dependable...I prefer shooting longbows right now, but my 21" Naki will always be in my arsenal ;)
Craig
My experiance mirrors Craig's. 4 Das bow's - my 1st has several 1000's of shots with no wear I can find anywhere - other then strings.
Concerning the more/less preload, I've noticed that at the extremes, the ILF bushing will bind in the dovetail slot-the DAS bushing won't. I doubt it's a good idea to set the ILF limbs past the binding and shoot them. With the DAS connection, the limbs will still float freely on the rockers well beyond the limits of the ILF's.
As for the noise... well... I've heard too that the DAS connection is quieter, but I'm not convinced that it's an issue. I am convinced that some limbs are quieter than others. :^)
None of the animals I've killed over the past two years with my Titan complained about any noise. ;)
I have a gen1 riser that was from the second run #13 and it still has the same pads that came with it in 2005. The only time it has been unstrung was for travel or changing limbs or strings and I don't see any wear in them at all. I just ordered a new black Dalla and hope it is just as good. The nice thing about the Dalla is with a solid sight window you can drill and tap for an amo sight.
The new Dalaa's have the AMO holes now. No more needing brackets.
The Dalaa, Titan, Morrison, Belcher, etc. all work. Find what fits you and have fun. It's not a competition folks and no bow is one size fits all.
More and more I have been seeing where people are having to grind down the limb butts in order for them to fit on the Dalaa, even the Dalaa limbs. Did they change the riser in some way or has this always been the case? Seems like you shouldn't have to do that on a brand new setup.