Got a date with a Moose this Sept. and I'm figuring out my BH's.
I've been shooting Zwickey's for so long I can't remember not shooting them. I want to step up in BH weight (I shoot cedars) So I looking at the Ace Express, Grizzly and the Tusker Concorde.
I bought some Ace Express 165gr. and when I got them I was a little concerned about how much punishment they can take. I've never handled the Grizzly's or the Tuskers. So, what do you all think about their toughness in compared to the Ace Express?
Might want to take a look at the Abowyers also if you want more weight and are concerned about punishment. They are built like tanks!
If you are thinking about Tuskers this should help. The abowyer heads and grizzlys will treat you well too. I just like the video.
Tusker Tough (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPR-FdAfGrw)
Randy....have you seem the Abowyer vids?
Impressive also! :scared:
are they on youtube?
I am going searching :smileystooges:
Abowyer. ACE. Grizzly. Tusker. All good. Get em sharp.
Based on all the experience with comparable heads there probably isn't any measureable difference between them.
Terry,
On the Abowyers, is the ferrule the same piece of steel as the rest of the head or is it separate but attached? Never really held one to know.
Found them. Ok so after watching more videos how about an abowyer brown bear. Yes I think that would do a number on a moose.
There are so many great ones to choose from :thumbsup:
geez, moose. they're as big as cars. the abowyer brown bear would be a great choice, i'd think.
i hunted in texas for hogs with ace standards on woodies and wound up with just some rabbits. the ace worked almost too well, as expected. then again, they were just little texas bunnies.
i've used grizzlies on woodies, but just for flight testing and no hunting. they took a lickin and kept on tickin when i took some roving.
i just got in a buncha tusker concordes, stuck'em on some woodies but haven't had either a break in the weather or work to fly 'em yet.
(http://www.tradgang.com/rob/grind/f20.jpg)
they're pretty heavy metal, but no where near as heavy as the abowyers - those heads are panzer tank armor.
long way of saying, definitely consider the abowyer heads first.
above all, have a great hunt! :wavey:
If you like the Ace heads, but are concerned about the 165-grain Express, you may want to try the 160-grain Standard. I've been shooting the 125-grain Standards since 2004 and have yet to damage one on anything up to and including a bull moose.
The 160-grain Standards are probably the absolute toughest glue-on head of that weight I've ever handled.
QuoteOriginally posted by RRock:
... I want to step up in BH weight (I shoot cedars) ...
if yer broadheads are hot melt glued on, you might wanna consider the braveheart (now 3 rivers) internal weight footing. this will add between 20 and 80 grains to the front end, while at the same time stiffening up the shaft behind the head where it usually busts off.
remove the ace heads, drill and epoxy in the preweighed nail footing weight, reglue the ace back on.
(http://www.3riversarchery.com/images/large/5603X.jpg)
That is cool stuff Rob. Never seen that before.Should really help for stumpers like myself that break wood arrows at the taper on judos.RC
I have a BH "IWF" jig. Works well, just need to shoot those arrows now.
Like Jason said, Ace 160 standards, lotta metal there.
Eric
ACE 160's are close to my favourite broadhead along with Tusker's . Grizzly's are tough but i ain't that good at sharpening them lol . you can't go wrong with any of them .
Cheers
Ben
I've used the Ace Express 165 and have full confidence that it is up to the task. It isn't going to be as tough as the Ace Standards, ABowyers or Grizzlys, tho. The Tuskers have a pretty thick blade but the ferrule looks to be just spot welded around the edge and stops a long ways from the point. The new ElGrande Grizzly looks really good.
I've been shooting the 160 Ace Standards.....the most heavy duty,double bevel BH I've ever had,spin true,and sharpen easy...
Of the broadheads mentioned, I can only offer an opinion on the grizzley - zips straight through whitetails at 20 yds and could have used it as is for the next shot. Stayed very sharp.
Have not heard anything negative of the other 2. Might have to try them out next year.
i think any of the heads that where talked about would do the job i realy like the grizzlies but realy want to try the abowyer javie lights maybe next year
Not to hijack this thread, but how do the Steeleforce single bevel "Ashby style" heads compare to the others mentioned here? I like the price tag on those better and have bought a set. I'm impressed so far but a little concerned about the aluminum ferule...
QuoteOriginally posted by Fletcher:
The new ElGrande Grizzly looks really good.
The 'New'?.....did I miss something? Have they got a new El Grande?
YESSS ! the new EL Grande are 200 grs
according to the people who get them already here in France, they are more easy to sharpen than before because of a better angle ... i just order a pack
I shot a young wild boar with a ABOWYER "Brown Bear" this year ... this Broahead have a kind of separated and like welded ferrule from the blade and i don't like it to much ... plus, i odered them with a "grey teflon coated" pictures on the ABW website and finaly recieved them olive green colour without teflon and a bit rusty to ... but, They are good and nice stuff, the point have to be just a little bit grinded to be 100 % strong,
but i definitly prefer the Grizzly ... don't ask me why, it's probably not rational !
i'd like also to try a tusker !
in double bevel you should think about STOS 160 also, really strong and so easy to sharpen !
The new 200 grn grizz doesn't have the "step" where it goes from double think to single thick anymore.
The blade is ALL double thick.
The ABOWYERS are tough. They do have a separated ferrule from the blade. They are welded though and the welds look really good. The abowyer is THE toughest looking head I've seen. The blade is much thicker the the new grizz. The abowyers do cost more..is it worth it???...thats for you to decide.
The new El Grandes have done away with the step,as stated and the edge is ground to 25 degrees vs 30 on the old ones.It is also a better grind than before.The ferrule is also more accurate and the new Grizzlies also come in left and right bevel.
I believe they are also in 130 and 160.
Who has the new Grizzlies in stock?
i ordered my new Grizzlies 200 grs in France but on 3R website you can also find them ...
I used the ACE express 200gr.. When I was setting them up I tested one out of my back door... Well I aimed for a leaf about 10yds away.... I shot and the arrow struck with a solid thud but didnt penatrate deep...
When I retrieved the arrow I found that behind the leaf was a covered brick... The shaft of the arrow was bent but the ACE was just a lil dull with a slight of set to the blade.....
One tough broadhead!!!!!!
QuoteOriginally posted by dave19113:
I used the ACE express 200gr..
http://www.kustomkingarchery.com/Ace-Super-Express-Broadhead--200-gr---1_2-doz/productinfo/3423/
When I was setting them up I tested one out of my back door... Well I aimed for a leaf about 10yds away.... I shot and the arrow struck with a solid thud but didnt penatrate deep...
When I retrieved the arrow I found that behind the leaf was a covered brick... The shaft of the arrow was bent but the ACE was just a lil dull with a slight of set to the blade.....
One tough broadhead!!!!!!
I'm biased- I shoot Grizzlies- have for many years. The new 200's with the single plane metal would be better for first timers to try-
I believe the reason so many people have trouble sharpening a grizzly is not because its a single bevel but rather-
ITS BECAUSE THE STEEL IS HIGH ROCKWELL HARDNESS
Otherwise you wouldn't hear people say they wore out a file on three heads.
The sharpest thing on the planet is a chisel properly sharpened. Or perhaps a sushi knife. They both have one thing in common- single bevel.
Combine that with a higher rockwell hardness steel and you have an edge that will keep - an edge that won't dull as much when it rubs on bone on the way through- an edge that won't need much work on a week long hunt in humid/wet conditions like where most moose live in to keep it where you want it.
A moose hunt takes a lot of treasure to go on typically- whichever head you choose, get it sharp, and practice so everything will be automatic when crunch time comes, because I'd like to see a picture on here next fall with you and a big "ugly" !!!!
I shot one of the ACE 160 standards into a cinder block once just for fun, it stuck but did not bend the tip. I sharpened it up and it was fine. I think that triple layered tip with the interlocking ferrule is a good design as far as strength goes.
I heard great things about the Abowyers.
QuoteOriginally posted by kibok&ko:
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I shot a young wild boar with a ABOWYER "Brown Bear" this year ... this Broahead have a kind of separated and like welded ferrule from the blade and i don't like it to much ... plus, i odered them with a "grey teflon coated" pictures on the ABW website and finaly recieved them olive green colour without teflon and a bit rusty to ... but, They are good and nice stuff, the point have to be just a little bit grinded to be 100 % strong,
they rust very quickly I confirm...when I recieved mine (bone head) they were oil covered..I swept one with aceton and a part of the teflon coating has immediately gone...curious!
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they are very tough BH but the end of the point need to be filed to become stronger.
on the pic, one can see the new point I should have to do on my training blade after a strong penetration's test which had destroyed the extremity! (plywood and foam)
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