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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: GMMAT on March 04, 2010, 09:21:00 AM
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By the end of deer season, I'm one of the first ones that'll tell ya "I need a sabbatical".
But....we have no restrictions on coyotes in NC. We can hunt them 12 mos./yr.
So....if a hunter (hint-hint) wanted to expand his horizons....to attempt to take one of these critters....how would you advise him? Tips? Tricks? Methods? Baits? Calls? Use a blind?
In over 400 trips afield, here (hunting deer and turkeys), I've seen exactly 7. 4 of these were together and only gave me a glimpse from about 150yds. Two were well within bow range....and one was spotted at about 40yds (I shot I WOULD, admittedly, 'attempt' at a yote).
I was guiding a friend who missed one with a compound at 30yds (we were turkey hunting). I never got a shot at the others.
'Lil help! :D
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I'm interested in what everybody has to say. Kinda considered doing this myself! Jason
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they have been going crazy around here and i have seen two in the middle of the day out my office window while working. I'd like to hear as well!
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Get a good call sit down and get at it. I like to use a good electric call( I only have mouth calls) with a decoy to draw their attention away for me. You can buy decoys that vibrate but I just use a feather hung from a string. I sit in natrual cover call for about 20 mins if no luck I move another 500 yards. There are some good video's and tapes on calling a person can watch. I have killed as many just randomly running into them hunting and sqeaking using the back of my hand. Their is a big bounty on them here and they get hunted hard with guns,so I like to hunt thicker cover areas,they don't hang up as much. It can be tough with trad gear but it is fun. Last time I went out I had this one into 30 yards or so but no shot,except the camera. Most others this year have hung up around 75 to 100 yards on me but I'm not the best at it. (http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss248/barebow13/IMG_3875.jpg)Sorry if I have posted this pic twice.
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A single-reed Primos rabbit call works pretty darn good. Just sit very still, and don't overdo the calling---and remember when calling that rabbits have itty-bitty little lungs. You can call one right in your lap that way. Its very exciting. Bobcats, too.
Now getting and taking a shot at them is a completely different deal altogether.
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I think this is something I need to look into here in Oregon. The long rainy winters just kill me being stuck indoors. All I would have to do is drive over to the eastern side of the Cascades and I'd be in coyote country.
This should be a good thread. I'll be following it closely. :thumbsup:
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I've killed four with a bow, in 3 different states and everytime I was hunting something else.
Seems like it's always an accident with me 8-(
We'll stick to the pigs in the off seasons
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Also coyote hunting will definately help the fawns out, and there is no shortage of coyotes so hunt away! I squeeked one into 20 yards last fall but it's darned hard to get a shot off with trad gear. I used to gun hunt them a lot and a 22 mag or shotgun with buckshot will work nicely too.
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Thats about all I do .Started about ten years ago ,with rifle . But I started using the sticks and string on them and its a way difrent game. I use hand calls. have about 30 calls .deer ,rabbit,ect.Out here its thier breeding time. You can get the big males to come in buy ussing howlers ect, by making like a another male tresspasing.Chalinge howls,puppy yips, ect.prey animal death screams work any time. They will wise up real quick.Carfull you might stop hunting deer to chase them. Gets real addicting.They got the eyes ,ears and nose that your white tails wish they had.heres the last one I called in hung up at 70 yards circled down wind and started telling all his buddies somthing was not right.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/timkoi/arrow2047-2.jpg)
He's in the center out in the field.Stood there for a good while trying to find the dying rabbit.
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Can't help but wonder why it's ok to attempt a 40 yard shot on a Coyote when it seems you wouldn't on a deer,,,so what's the deal there.
Do Coyotes not deserve the same respect as other animals???,,,,,seems like some folks ethics/morals are pretty selective huh!!!
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You should not shoot at any animal unles you can make a good shot.. I agree With you Earthdog.
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I'm normally a better shot on coyotes than on deer. 20 yards max on deer. 60 on coyotes. Don't know why but that's the way it is.
ChuckC
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Sounds like the best way to hunt these critters with trad gear is with two people. One to set up ahead and the other to fall back and do the calling. Might shorten your shooting distances.
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Originally posted by Wannabe1:
Sounds like the best way to hunt these critters with trad gear is with two people. One to set up ahead and the other to fall back and do the calling. Might shorten your shooting distances.
:thumbsup:
Its awfully tough to be the caller AND the shooter, too. Even with a rifle thats a tall order.
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Originally posted by Wannabe1:
Sounds like the best way to hunt these critters with trad gear is with two people. One to set up ahead and the other to fall back and do the calling. Might shorten your shooting distances.
or lengthen the shooting distance if the yote comes in behind the caller!
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Can't help but wonder why it's ok to attempt a 40 yard shot on a Coyote when it seems you wouldn't on a deer,,,so what's the deal there.
Do Coyotes not deserve the same respect as other animals???,,,,,seems like some folks ethics/morals are pretty selective huh!!!
Everyone's ethics/morals are just that.....theirs. I'm just not going to blow smoke up yours (or anyone else's) rear end(s).
YES. MY ethics see me attributing a higher standing in the animal world to a whitetail than I afford a coyote. I see this no differently than the way I treat my household pets v. ALL other animals.
If you disagree.....that's your prerogative. My ethics start and end at....I won't attempt a shot at an animal that I don't have a HIGH degree of certainty I can pull off.
I'm simply being honest.
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Originally posted by Earthdog:
Do Coyotes not deserve the same respect as other animals???,,,,,seems like some folks ethics/morals are pretty selective huh!!!
No...they're hamstringers at best.
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Would some kind of low to the ground blind work to help get them in close? We have some pretty open country in eastern Oregon and the 'yotes would see you pretty dang quick, fast and in a hurry! Only problem would be getting up and getting a shot off fast enough before they bolted.
Any thoughts on some kind of blind?
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Originally posted by Biggie Hoffman:
Originally posted by Earthdog:
Do Coyotes not deserve the same respect as other animals???,,,,,seems like some folks ethics/morals are pretty selective huh!!!
No...they're hamstringers at best. [/b]
What he said. Besides, the pelts are nice.
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I agree with earthdog here.. no animal deserves a long agonizing death. Accidents do happen, but my opinion is no hunter should attempt a shot at any animal unless it is a shot he fels confident will hit..
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Not to affend anyone but, this thread is supposed to be about gaining some insight and technique on how to hunt coyotes. The debate that is shaping up has been gone over a thousand times if once and usually ends up getting the thread shut down.
I personally would like to see Jeff's and mines questions addressed. If you have no insight to coyote hunting then please feel free not to respond here. And again, I mean no disrespect, just want to learn something on 'yotes. :)
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Ok then....I'll take my bow and go home.....
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I cover alot of miles when I go calling I think they will see a blind as somthing difrent but a coyote new to the area it will work.But just more junk to cary. I some times use a tree stand umbrella on its side.Decoys will some times get them looking away from you.If they are hungry or mad they will come in maybe not close but they will check you out. Theres some good predatore hunting sites ,check them out .Good ones california predator club,Vamint Als,Predator Masters.ect. lots of good info and guys are just like you guys good people.Going to shut up starting to talk too much.
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Bow Hunting coyote success is complex when trying to shoot but simple enough otherwise.
When solo always use an electronic caller. With two people mouth calling will work. Do not solely depend on distress calls. Mix it up and use dominance, lonely coyote, and other calls to get their attention. Close the deal with the distress calls.
Always use a decoy and preferably a moving one. Keeps their attention away from you. Put the electronic caller by the decoy but hide it in brush so it is not seen and keep it scent free. Be very aware of the wind and always set up so if the coyote tries to come in down wind they will run into you and you can get a shot.
Always wear a shaggie suit - top half of a ghillie with burlap strips on front and back of suit. I like the ones that drop to mid thigh. Be as scent free as possible. Do not make any noise at the vehicle or walking in that gives you away.
For calling methods. I cannot emphasize enough to buy the first four / 5 Randy Anderson Calling All Coyotes Videos. He does a great job of explaining his calling techniques and my success rate sky rocketed when I started praciticing what he was preaching. Plus he is a funny guy and the videos are great to watch.
On shooting ethics. I don't hesitate to crack a 300 shot on a stalled or running coyote with my rifle. I would definately not hesitate to take a 40 yard shot with a bow. I am out to reduce the population by as many as I can. Coyotes are not that tough and they breed like crazy around here. Coyotes terrorize the deer and calf populations in my neck of the woods. Their population is way out of whack to the prey base.
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I think the the tree stand umbrella would be a bad idea for me. We get some good winds crossing the prairie and I don't feel like being dragged! :thumbsup:
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GMMAT, can you explain to the wardens it is yotes your hunting?? Just wonderin but a serious question! Got to look at the regs for my area cause that is a great idea!
We just now gettin yotes in my hunt area down here in little NCambodia.
J
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GMMAT, can you explain to the wardens it is yotes your hunting??
My local warden's a friend of mine. I'd certainly run it by him, but I'm quite certain he will trust my intentions. I've never given any of them a reason to think otherwise.
Probably don't hurt I set him up on a "free" lease, this year, either.....lol :thumbsup:
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Will they be fooled by a good ghillie suit?
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Wannabe1-You might try chasing them in the coast range as well as over East, there are tons of yodel dogs on the wet side. I've seen lots of coyotes working the edges of clear cuts and got a shot at one from a tree stand that was set up on a trail in big timber adjacent to some second growth.
As for the statement that they aren't very tough, my experience is that they can take a licken' and keep on ticken'. I made a marginal hit on the one mentioned above, right where I was looking-dead center-likely a liver hit, and he dissapeared into the fern and alder jungle. When shooting at one, make sure you pick a spot just behind or on the shoulder blade. Stay well concealed and watch downwind, they almost always come in from downwind when calling. Get after 'em guys!
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I bet a ghillie would work great, SveinD as long as you had something keeping their attention away from you and on whatever it was...like a decoy or something.