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Title: This is a bow?
Post by: Friends call me Pac on February 28, 2010, 02:11:00 AM
I found out that my mailman is a member of Trad Gang and makes selfbows.   After cornering him by the mailbox last spring I got a promise that he would get me a selfbow for my own use.

He showed up at the house about a month ago with a Elm sapling.  After handing it to me he said, "Here's your selfbow."  Not quite what I had exspected.

With a bit of advice on how to start I began the project of making a selfbow.  The only tool I have is a Bowie knife.  And I can tell you if all you have is a Bowie knife to work with you better have patients.

 (http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc157/pactac/100_1591_opt.jpg)

Well I have been steadily scraping away on this stick every day for almost a month now.  Slowly but surely it is taking shape.  I asked my wife the other day if it looks like a bow yet?  Her reply was, "You want me to lie?"

 (http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc157/pactac/100_1592_opt.jpg)

To be continued....
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: tj69 on February 28, 2010, 02:28:00 AM
That will be an interesting thread. Thanks for sharing. I´m looking forward to the next pics.
regards
tj
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Gerardo on February 28, 2010, 02:32:00 AM
this is great, I sure hope it will not be a month till your next post

good luck and patience    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Earthdog on February 28, 2010, 02:36:00 AM
Looks like the makings of a bow to me.
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: SveinD on February 28, 2010, 02:40:00 AM
That look to be a good one, although a rasp would come in handy  ;)
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Grey Taylor on February 28, 2010, 03:22:00 AM
Ahh, you obviously have never seen a lowly stick become a noble bow. Rest assured, things look fine for this stage of the process (and in this case, don't pay attention to your wife).

Guy
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Predator Man on February 28, 2010, 04:39:00 AM
I thought you had to have a stave to make a self bow?
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Grey Taylor on February 28, 2010, 05:17:00 AM
Nope. You need wood. Be it stave, board, or branch.
Tim Baker of TBB fame recommends starting off with a red oak board from Home Depot. With a board of carefully chosen grain you'll get a fine self bow from it.

Guy
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Shaun on February 28, 2010, 07:11:00 AM
Don't know what's up with your wife ... looks like a bow to me.
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: jcar315 on February 28, 2010, 07:45:00 AM
As Chico used to say "Looking Good!"
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: wollybear on February 28, 2010, 08:05:00 AM
scrape,scrape,scrape  can not waite for your next post.keep it up.this is good  :pray:    :jumper:
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Mudd on February 28, 2010, 08:12:00 AM
I can see a bow in there. But remember making a bow is sort of like eating potato chips..lol you can build just one.

I have a postman story too! I used to ship quite a few Osage staves out west. I happen to get to the PO about the same time as the editor and chief of our local paper did and he heard the Postmaster ask me if I was shipping fence posts. I told him "No! It's a bow but packaged so the Post Office can't damage it." The editor jumps in and says "That's a bow?" I answered "Yes sir, it is but you need a draw knife to unwrap it."
Hahaha!! That got me a full interview and a story with pictures in the next edition of the Southern Boone County Journal.

I am not trying to highjack your thread, sorry!

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Eric Krewson on February 28, 2010, 08:21:00 AM
Make yourself a tillering gizmo for when you start bending the limbs on the long string. It will tell you where to remove wood.

 http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=125;t=001047

I reread your initial post and realized you are a little short on tools. PM me your address and I will send you a gizmo.
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: kbetts on February 28, 2010, 08:42:00 AM
Let your wife know that it can easily be turned into a whoopin' stick. LOL
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Post by: Roy Steele on February 28, 2010, 08:42:00 AM
You can do it.I once to a primitive class and the guy says bring only a knife.I was totally surprised when at the begaining of our hike.He also handed us a sapping and 2 peices ogf cain and a peice of flint.I finished mt bvow and arrows in less than 2.He didn't know I had built selfbows and arrows.It wasn't no file built bow Put I shot it.
  So I'm sure sence you have the time you can o it.
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Friends call me Pac on February 28, 2010, 03:01:00 PM
Thanks for the encouragement.

The mailman brough me a wood rasp not too long ago.  I works really well for removing wood but I cringe when I see the marks it leaves.  My Bowie knife is slow but leaves the wood looking good as I am scraping.  

On a side note I have been saving the wood shavings in plastic zip locks.  The wife has been using them to start the fireplace.
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: huntin_sparty on February 28, 2010, 03:18:00 PM
Thats definitely a KNIFE!  Look forward to the results
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Friends call me Pac on March 01, 2010, 12:35:00 AM
Well after a month it is finished.  I've been taking photos along the way and tonight I wanted to share my first experience at building a bow.

Got all the bark removed and shaped the ends.
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc157/pactac/100_1614.jpg)

Handle roughed in
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc157/pactac/100_1616_opt.jpg)

Made the nocks and was kind of impressed with the results
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc157/pactac/100_1619_opt.jpg)

Got the shelf looking good
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc157/pactac/100_1621_opt.jpg)


Finished it up tonight. Removed too much getting the limbs tillered and ended up with a bow that might take down a grasshopper if the broadheads are sharp enough.  There was a bend in the upper limb and while trying to work around that I ending up blowing the whole deal.
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc157/pactac/100_1622_opt.jpg)

I guess there is no stopping now.  I'm going to buy a red oak board tomarrow and start over.  Hopefully, with what I have learned the next one will be a success.
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: twitchstick on March 01, 2010, 12:45:00 AM
:campfire:    :coffee:
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Renaissance Man on March 01, 2010, 08:08:00 AM
You are going to make a few that will hinge like like. It is tricky around twists, knots, irregular grain sections. After you build a few you will find yourself looking at wood like a jeweler looks at a diamond. Noticing every twist, turn and pin knot.
You will find yourself putting spit on pieces to see what the grain, color and finish will look like.
Its a sickness I tell ya.
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Renaissance Man on March 01, 2010, 08:13:00 AM
One mistake I can share may have something to do with what happened with that bow.
Often when a stave hinges like that many think it is cause they took off to much in that section.
It can be that but think also along the lines that the area above it and/or below it was too strong.
Also go slow. My problem was I would get into it and move to fast, something will always happen when you go to fast.
Get up and walk away from it. Leave it for a couple of days even.
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Bails on March 01, 2010, 12:53:00 PM
Interesting thread , now i wanna know how she shoots  :)
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: tradtusker on March 01, 2010, 02:41:00 PM
"you call that a Knife?" ...
"this is a Knife!"    :thumbsup:    

QuoteOriginally posted by Friends call me Pac:


  (http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc157/pactac/100_1591_opt.jpg)


  (http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc157/pactac/100_1592_opt.jpg)

To be continued....
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: John3 on March 01, 2010, 06:01:00 PM
Looks great..!
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Kanuck on March 02, 2010, 02:13:00 PM
I've always found that the toughest part of building a self bow from scratch was not running out of patience and taking too much wood off too fast or working the wood before it is truly seasoned.  So, I've had several that turned out like yours.  It happens.

Building from raw wood is the toughest way to build a bow in my estimation.  No one can truly consider themselves a bowyer unless they have done it successfully.  I think someone could build bows from raw wood for their entire life and never stop learning something about the wood or the bows that result from it.  

I'm not that good at it so I have gravitated towards building bows from floor tillered staves.  The wood is sound, well dried and most of the shaping has been done but not so much that I can't "individualize" the bow in question.  After working with raw wood its almost like cheating!

Goodluck on your board bow!
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Chris Shelton on March 02, 2010, 05:19:00 PM
well looks like you and I are on the same page, one of these days I will have a good self bow . . .
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Thumper Dunker on March 02, 2010, 05:38:00 PM
I killed my first bow also .My second came out ok.I think you did good . And nice knife .
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Friends call me Pac on March 03, 2010, 01:01:00 PM
I would like to publically thank Johnathon the mailman.  If he had handed me a ready made selfbow instead of a tree sapling I would have never started this adventure on my own.  Sorry I messed up the piece of elm but I have learned alot so far.

Went to Lowe's and picked up a piece of red oak the other day.  Been working on it and it sure is easier now that I have a bit of understanding.

When I finish this one and if it turns out well I'll give a sapling another try.  Guess it's my version of crawl before walking.

I'll post a photo in a little while.  I'm just about to head out the door to go to town.
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Mudd on March 03, 2010, 01:27:00 PM
"It's always easier to take wood off than to put wood on!"
I'll try to remember who it was that told me that one. I've got it narrowed down to Tim Baker, Mike"Wingnut"Westvang,Gary Davis,Jim Hamm, Will Steffan, Dean Torges or "The Original Frugal Archer", Jeff Struberg.

I think I might be able to rule out Gary since he's the one that told me(at 1st MoBoJam) we only had 3 days to get a bow built..lol

Anyway it is good advice!! I personally don't think you can go too slow and if it weren't the screw-ups in my early life I might have been called "Cobweb" instead of "Mudd"....lol

Good luck and have fun! Be sure you show us how it turns out.
It was sorta like therapy for me, I needed it and still do, from time to time.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Friends call me Pac on March 03, 2010, 04:59:00 PM
Home made bow take #2

(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc157/pactac/100_1625_opt.jpg)

(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc157/pactac/100_1624_opt.jpg)

Taking it slow on this one.  So far so good.
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: vtmtnman on March 03, 2010, 05:13:00 PM
Looks great Pac. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: This is a bow?
Post by: Friends call me Pac on March 05, 2010, 12:33:00 AM
She broke on me about 3 inches from the bottom fade.  Had it tillered to 22" and tried to string it with a regular string instead of the long string.  POW!!

Man it was looking good too.  One of these days I'm going to get it right.