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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Longbow338 on February 24, 2010, 09:15:00 AM
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Looking for some limbs to go with a morrison mini14 ilf riser i just ordered. I bought a set of skinned morrison longbow limbs for it already. Looking for some recurve limbs what are some of the best limbs out there that you guys would recommend for hunting smoothness guietness and speed Thanks for your time.
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How much money you got?
Sorry to be blunt, but the range of ILF limbs available in different materials, from different manufacturers is astonishing!
If you're after a generally good, tough, allround limb I can really, really recommend the Blac Maxx carbon/wood limbs from Lancaster Archery. Under $200 & fantastic value for money.
If speed & performance tickle your pickle, have a look at the new Formula F4 limbs from Hoyt. Mind you, you may need to sell your truck to buy a pair! :D
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A limb comparable to a carbon foam Morrison that I can get skinned that is equal to a set of Bobs limbs in performance.
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Why don't you just buy a set of Bob's limbs. Sounds like that is what you're looking for.
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Would like to try some others as well as bobs not dead set on his if there are some that are better performers. And cheaper would be nice as well.
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You can get better performing or you can get cheaper. Not both.
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I asked somewhat of the same question awhile back. What I found the highly recommended were the Black Max Carbon Core from TradTech.
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Unless you want to spend 2+ times as much, you will not find an all around better performing limb than the TradTech Black Max Carbon.
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I have a set of "older" Hoyt G3's "longs" coming in the mail... Got a great deal on them. I hope they will work?, I really know nothing about ILF limbs. They were purchased as "back ups" for a set of carbon/foam Skinned Morrison "D" recurve limbs on my mini-14. I plan on dressing them up a bit, with a set of limbsations adhesive "Diamondback Skins"
Thought's on how these will work? Can I expect good speed, smoothness, and reliability with these?
Gene :coffee:
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Gene, yes, yes & yes. The G3's are an excellent limb. You may end up preffering them to the Morrisons!
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Where is a good place to purchase border limbs
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I have a set of W&W Inno Powers on a Morrison Mini-14.
They are new to me, but they are very smooth and quite.
I have not chronographed them so I cannot provide any real data on performance. From what I have read, prior to purchase, they are supposed to be good performers.
I would recommend them.
As always, your mileage may vary.
Freeze
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Gene,
Those G3's are my personal favorite. I've been using a set for hunting deer-sized critters for about three years.
For a bargain right now, it may not hurt to check out Alternative. They've got Sebastian Flute carbon's (made by W&W) for sale at around $128.00.
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Depends on how heavy of arrow you plan on shooting and how much you want to spend.If you want to shoot light arrows really fast it cost more money for limbs.If you hunt with arrows above 10gns you don't get very much performance for a lot more money.Even if a set of limbs performs this percentage better than another as arrow weight goes up that percentage translates into less fps difference.Buying a $600 set of limbs that winds up shooting 3fps faster than a $100 set of limbs because you choose to shoot 12gn/lb arrows is a bit of a waste.Buying them to shoot 7gn/lb arrows and seeing 12-15fps difference might not be. :) jmho
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What I am after is smooth quiet limb that will shoot a 9gpp arrow 180 to 190fps to keep trajectory similar to my other bows. I think I am leaning to black max carbonwoods marked 55@28 what weight will they be on mini 14 medium limbs.
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I have a set of med BM carbons marked 50#@28" that are 55# on my mini14. I have checked speed and at 9gpp 185-187fps @ 26. Our ILF limb with carbon foam (A new carbon lay up)@ 26" average 192".5fps 198.5fps @ 28" ,all at 9 gpp... both limbs are mediums.
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Mr Bob if you are reffering to the cottonmouth skinned limbs that is why I was asking could not remember if you said they were marked 50 or 55@28 Trying to get some arrows lined up to test when they and my mini you are building show up should have just asked you earlier Thanks Will
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Originally posted by Bowbldr:
I have a set of med BM carbons marked 50#@28" that are 55# on my mini14. I have checked speed and at 9gpp 185-187fps @ 26. Our ILF limb with carbon foam (A new carbon lay up)@ 26" average 192".5fps 198.5fps @ 28" ,all at 9 gpp... both limbs are mediums.
That's interesting stuff. Your limbs are GREAT performers but I think in all fairness if we are going to compare, we need to compare apples with apples. First, we are comparing a carbon wood limb with a carbon foam limb. Second, we are comparing a 220.00 limb with a 690.00 limb. one averages 186 fps, one averages 192 fps. That's a difference of about 80.00 per FPS.
That's why I said when all things are considered, performance-vs-cost-vs-construction, in my opinion there is no value out there.
I guess it all depends on what you are looking for.
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Lenny that is why I said what arrow you plan on useing should be takin in consideration as well.I tested a pair of Sabastion Flute glass/foam ($99 ON SALE)limbs against a pair of W&W WINEX ($660 at the time).Both were same length and weight and setup alike on the same riser using the same string.Using my hunting arrow that came out just over 12gns the Winex was 3fps faster.They wer also a lot louder and by the time extra silencers were added it was a couple feet slower.The same test with arrows in the 7gn range showed the winex 11fps faster and at close to 6gns 15fps faster.If a person plans on hunting with heavy arrows you might be looking over $100 per fps for very few fps difference in even the cheapest limbs. jmho
btw if targets wre my goal and useing light arrows was the way I was going the extra 15fps is a lot and it could justify the extra cost.Noise is not an issue shooting foam or paper either. :)
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Just a note. Maple cores preformance is the same as Foam (foam a $30 option). Feel, sound, noise makes the foam a no brainer. If you have $300 to spend on limbs, You won't find many that are built in the USA. With the price of material, Federal Exize Tax and insurance you won't be in business long.. I can sell you a $220 Carbon limb. I can also sell you a $120 Fiberglass limb with about the same performance as the carbon. I just can't build them for that price.
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Can't argue with you there Bowbldr. Like I said, I just think people have to decide if each additional fps is worth 80.00 or so.
I think it's great that we have the choice.
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Bob Said
"I can also sell you a $120 Fiberglass limb with about the same performance as the carbon. I just can't build them for that price. "
So you get these $120 limbs from Bob, have him skin them for eye candy, and you have a good shooting bow , that looks great and won't break the bank.
Better yet, get the limbs ,shoot them and decide if you want the Skins.The cost to discover is pretty low. You loose more selling high end used limbs than the cheap BM glass costs.
It is interesting that we don't hear any coments on what the high end FITA limbs realy offer for the money. That is 70 and 90 meter stability and acuracy, first over speed.They are designed to handle light weight arrows of 5 and 6 gr/#, and to put them in a cantelope at 90 meters. There is no fancy eye candy on them, they are made to compete. For the everyday hunter shooting under 30 yards ,most of us are not capable of extracting what these top end limbs have to offer. Yet we seem obsessed with searching for the Holy Grail of limbs that will solve all of our short comings.
Want more speed, you pay acordingly, want more eye candy, you pay, want hand crafted, you pay, but if you just want a good shooting limb, it can be purchased for very little, it will draw very smooth, and shoot with better acuracy than we are capable of.It will perform well for our needs. It is a plain Jane limb.
Over and above this you pay, and each of us has to decide what amount we are willing to pay for those few FPS, or looks. For the few that can extract that FITA stability/acuracy from the high end limbs you already know what you want and are willing to pay for.
A $600.limb will not take you from a 6" group to Robinhood.
Some time tuning and practicing can do a lot more for our shooting than money can. Fine tune the ILF riser adjustments like it was designed for, instead of cranking in the limb bolt to extract 5#'s more draw weight.Seting it to draw 2# to your anchor will do more for your shooting than geting 50# from 45# limbs.
Boyers like Bob can custom build the beautiful risers, it is up to you to custom tune it to yourself.
Pete
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Great post Pete. That puts a lot of stuff in perspective.
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Excellent post Pete and a lot better than I could say it! :thumbsup: :)
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Amen to Pete's post. If more people would listen to that advice, they would probably save themselves lots of time, money, and stress.
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That is probably the most correct post out there...well said Pete :clapper:
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pete that was great . now where is the ILF for dummies so i can ?
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"If you have $300 to spend on limbs, You won't find many that are built in the USA. With the price of material, Federal Exize Tax and insurance you won't be in business long.."
Dang Bob, thanks for the plug!
We do build our limbs in the US right here in Texas and actually sell them for $300. In fact are offering free shipping on them for a short time. We are going to try and stay in business for a while anyway.
I guess with a small shop we don't need as much markup to pay the bills as the big shops.
Even with all of the above, there is a good profit margin.
Mike
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hi mike.. oh and my made in the USA limbs are on the way from mike and jason can't wait
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Mike , Your welcome. I probably better give Sky archery some credit to. Sky offers ILF limb for MSRP $349.00 built in the USA. I just sold a set of Sky Double Carbon and foam core to a gentleman in the Netherlands,They cost more than $300. I couldn't get our limbs done fast enough, So I called Jim and 4 days later I have the limbs ready for skins.