Hey Everyone...
I have noticed that whenever I use a bow quiver, my shooting diminishes. Case-in-point: Just got a PSR, put a nice Black Widow embossed Great Northern strap on quiver and I began to struggle with my groups... I take it off, bam, groups tighten back up...
What are your experiences like??
Many people find that bow quivers affect their shooting or arrow tuning.
However, many people also find that bow quivers do not affect their shooting or arrow tuning.
I fall into the latter category.
Adding physical weight to your riser by attaching a quiver will frequently cause you to shoot left (if you are a righty) because the added weight causes the bow to remain in position longer than without the weight upon release. One solution is to get a lighter spined shaft, up your point weight, shoot longer arrows, etc.
I have found , in the past at least, that putting on my Selway has no effect on my shooting. I don't know how my new quiver will affect my new Chek Hunter 2 but I suspect it will have no significant effect.In the past I have attached the quiver as soon as I purchased the bow.
I think the key is to practice, lots, with the quiver on. Without practice the extra weight, not but but it is extra, may be affecting how you hold or how you release.
I have noticed no effects, but to that point -- on bows I hunt with using a bow mounted quiver...that quiver does not come off, meaning I practice year round with that quiver on there. I think you have to make that choice, and practice with your hunting equipment, as it will be set up hunting.
So to answer the original question, no...I noticed zero difference on any of my bows when a quiver was mounted.
Thanks guys... seems like it may be more 'in my head' than I thought... I certainly prefer having the quiver on, so its time to practice, practice, practice!
You might try a smaller 3 or 4 arrow quiver. I use Thunderhorn 4 arrow mini boa and love them. I've got 2 longbows and one Fox Breed and can change from one to the other in about a minute. It doesn't affect my shooting at all.
QuoteAdding physical weight to your riser by attaching a quiver will frequently cause you to shoot left (if you are a righty) because the added weight causes the bow to remain in position longer than without the weight upon release. One solution is to get a lighter spined shaft, up your point weight, shoot longer arrows, etc.
This was my experience....exactly! I know, for me, it wasn't in my head.
I also added heavier silencers (mitigating factor, as well), but when I added my bow mounted quiver, I had to add 1" to my arrows (or, cut them LESS.....lol) to offset the added mass weight of the riser's effect on my shooting. The bow with the quiver attached was also a limb combo that saw my arrow speed INCREASE (limbs were 6#'s heavier)....but the dynamic spine required was that the heavier (Mass and DW) bow wanted a weaker spined arrow.
Good post.
Eagle Flights Quivers are light and strap on your bow very tight with velcro.
I find i can shoot better using these quivers because it gives the bow just enough added weight to the riser and makes it more steady.
I also have a Kwikee quiver insert on my PSA X and i love being able to pop the quiver right off but i can still shoot very well with it on.
No effect at all for me!
Gotta go with Bill C on this one. Seems anytime I put a quiver on my bow it stiffens the arrows a bit. I have noticed it on every bow I`ve owned.I don`t mean so much that the arrows fly crazy but I can tell it. I started shooting a tad weaker arrow on bows with quivers and no problem.I do tend to shoot better with recurves with quivers on them. RC
It will effect it to some degree but if you practice with it on you get use to it. I shoot with mine with one arrow out just like hunting. Chuck Adams did a good study on this. I know he's a wheelie guy but it shows the affects. I tried to hunt with a side and back quivers but I still prefer to have mine on the bow,I am just too habitual.
puttin on a quiver definitely CAN change the flight of an arrow. I have had to retune my arrows EVERY time I put on a strap on or slide on quiver. If it is anywhere that the limbs bend even a little it slows down that limb and will affect arrow flight. I have notneeded to retune when using a bolt on quiver.
They say that you can get use to anything - not bow quivers. I do not like them. H
QuoteOriginally posted by GMMAT:
QuoteAdding physical weight to your riser by attaching a quiver will frequently cause you to shoot left (if you are a righty) because the added weight causes the bow to remain in position longer than without the weight upon release. One solution is to get a lighter spined shaft, up your point weight, shoot longer arrows, etc.
This was my experience....exactly! I know, for me, it wasn't in my head.
I also added heavier silencers (mitigating factor, as well), but when I added my bow mounted quiver, I had to add 1" to my arrows (or, cut them LESS.....lol) to offset the added mass weight of the riser's effect on my shooting. The bow with the quiver attached was also a limb combo that saw my arrow speed INCREASE (limbs were 6#'s heavier)....but the dynamic spine required was that the heavier (Mass and DW) bow wanted a weaker spined arrow.
Good post. [/b]
Thanks for that! I will try using a lighter spined arrow and see where it gets me... the trick is I am playing around with EFOC and heavy arrows, so maybe I need to put that down for a bit and go lighter spine and just get good flight for now... I won't be hunting moose or anything anytime soon thanks to the taxman...
The bow is a PSR III pulling about 55@28"... I am thinking about trying a 400 spine carbon with 100 grain inserts cut to about 29.5"and then adjusting tip weight until they group. That should work nicely :)
I don't think the EFA quivers affect anything.Regardless of what type bow quiver I use,I put it on the bow along with everything else that will be on the bow for hunting,then tune a set of arrows to that bow.Also,before tuning,I have 2 strings built for it and after tuning and the first is well broken in,I set the other one up exactly the same and the first becomes my spare.
I do see some quivers mounted forward of the riser or way out to the side.I suspect these may affect shooting more.I modify my quivers when needed,to be as close to the bow as is practical.
It sounds like you just got the PSR so maybe you are using a set of arrows that weren't tuned specifically for this bow with the quiver? This may be your problem.
I should say,I have shot with bow quivers for 45 years so I am very used to them and maybe some people just can't use them.maybe differences in grip or some other aspect of form makes it different.
I suspect sometimes it is sometimes just a state of mind.The bow quiver was invented to be on the bow while hunting.that is the way I have always used them.Since the compound craze,the practice of removing the quiver before shooting came about,rather than tuning the bow with it on.
I think people transitioning from that gear to traditional may not like them.If you want to use them,set your bow up with it and fill it with arrows,minus one,just like you will take a hunting shot.After trying and giving the thing a real fair shot,if you still don't like it,take it off.Everybody will never be the same.how boring it would be if we all were.
There are plenty of other options.they wouldn't exist if there weren't plenty of people not wanting to use bow quivers.Good luck.
Bow quivers are like a necessary evil-if the quiver is completely isolated from the limbs-I get a minimal effect.
Taking it off and shooting 'bare-back' is really liberating for me!
I believe each bow is different and each quiver is different - trial and error. I have a longbow that I can not find a quiver which will not hamper performance so I use a side quiver with that bow. The quiver attached to the riser is best, the farther out on the riser/limbs you go the worse it gets.
I use a Thunderhorn BOA and love the thing, however with it on my LB I have to change the position of my hand just a little or the arrows move left on me. Just took some practice to get acclimated. :D
It has been sadi a million times
WHEN TUNING:
You should tune it the way you are going to shoot it....brace height-nock point-silencers-quiver/no quiver-one arrow out of the quiver like your about to shoot-glove-tab-bow hand glove-rest-you name it.
You can have it all tuned and still hit your BIG BULK COAT SLEEVE TOO.
Jer Bear
Adding a bow quiver can affect the point of arrow impact. We have have looked at it with different shooters, different bows, and different quivers. You can retune your bow or go with a lightweight quiver that doesn't adversely affect how your bow shoots. Personally I like to shoot with the quiver on or off the bow with no affect.
As Joe said, "I find i can shoot better using these quivers because it gives the bow just enough added weight to the riser and makes it more steady." a lightweight bowquiver can act as a stabilizer. It can also quieten a bow in some circumstances. The EFA 3 and 4 arrow quivers are designed by us so as not to require retuning the bow.
I find that i shoot better with my quiver on just becase of the added weight
I fully agree with the EFA not affecting bow preformance. This is my bow quiver for hunting from now on! I had others like selway and great northern quiver they made more of an impact and increased the hand shocked it seemed to me anyway... I bought the EFA totem 4 arrow a few months back and love it. Its as close to shooting without a bow quiver as you can get!
I, too, prefer shooting with a Selway attached - besides I like having another arrow that handy.
I guess that I'm one of the lucky ones that sees no difference between shooting with my bow quiver on or off (and I'm not too shabby of a shooter). In fact, I probably prefer shooting with my quiver on.
I shoot heavy bow weights and heavy arrows which is an additional factor that might help to explain the lack of sensitivity to adding a quiver.
Erik: I should have added, but wasn't thinking of it at the time, that shooting with the quiver on your bow all the time is key. Others have mentioned it. Every year on this site and others people wonder about why their shooting went out the window just before bow season. Frequently it has to do with adding the quiver or finding that once they put on broadheads they find out that they had been shooting borderline spined shafts and the addition of the broadhead exposes that fact. If I were you I would shoot all the time with the quiver on (you can, in fact, adjust to it over time) and then make sure it doesn't affect the flight of your arrows with braodheads. This is the time of year to get all that crap cleared up.
I'm with Bill. I shoot with my quiver attached all the time, even when I shoot 3D. I keep four arrows in my Kanati, always with 3 broadheads and one Judo, year-round. When I'm shooting 3D, I take a back quiver with me and still keep my bow quiver full with the same arrows as mentioned, but I don't use any of those arrows except for hunting.
Ole Fred Bear sure used a bow quiver in all his hunting trips. I believe the advantages of a bow quiver are byfar the ultimate in a hunting situation. Thats why I tune my bow with my quiver on. It can be a two way street with quiver on the bow or off. But you must understand the dynamic diferences associated with changing a bows physical weight. The same happens with any extra weight attached to a bow....stabilizers, sights, quivers etc
a lot of people dont know that fred bear invented the bow quiver
patent it too...
I start to shoot and tune a new bow with the quiver on,so I don't know exactly how it can change shoooting without the quiver.For the few time that I have tryied to shoot with out the bow quiver I ain't noticed any difference.I use anyway some very light bowquiver and never hunt without them.
With EFA bow quivers the bow will not shoot differently from a bare bow. It has to do with weight and how it's positioned on the bow. A stabilizer will stabilize the bow but it won't make it shoot left.
The temporary solution here seems to be, use a 500 spine arrow (charts call for 400) and only have 3 arrows max in the quiver instead of 5. For some reason, that combination cleared up the issues... Eventually, I'd like to tune more and get ALL my arrows in the quiver... we'll see...
Thanks again for all the advice... it ALL helped!
Remember,whem you tune,leave one arrow out of the quiver.That is how it will be when you shoot at game.Sounds like you are just about there.
One other thought. When I go to big shoots like Denton,or anyplace else that has a lot of shooters, I'm always amazed that those carrying around bows w bowquivers have slide on or strap on quivers mounted out past the fades.
Of course they will affect your tune or arrow flight when mounted like that. Keep that quiver a good 2" in from the fades.
Dave in PA
Thats a good point. All bow quivers should be mounted as far down on the riser fades toward the grip as possible. Anything mounted on a bows limbs past the limb wedges or fades will rob performance.
That is a good point.It seems so obvious that I didn't think to mention it but I have seen people with quivers mounted that way too and it always amazes me.
I happen to like a bow quiver, I think it helps dampen bow vibration for me and I just like the look of a good bow quiver and some pretty arrows.
I have always shot with one on my trad bows(4 yrs now), but when I still used training wheels, I would never ever shoot my bow with the quiver attached for the same reasons many have mentioned here, kinda funny now that I think about it.
When I first tried a bowquiver on my longbow, I found myself shooting 6" to the left. Now I can shoot with it on or off, it doesn't matter. During the summer I will find myself shooting 3d or stumping without it on, but when it starts getting close to any hunting season, it goes on and stays there. I do think it helps me slighly with the bit of extra weight holding the bow steadier.
Quivers some times effect tuning. I have on several ocasions had to retune because of the qiuver. I have a long bow that shoots bullet holes. Strap a quiver on and it kicks like a mule 2"s high. The same goes for my Schafers tail high once the quivers on. I shoot 3 under so that could explain the change. I'd check the tuning for your own sake just in case.
There are apparently lots of factors that come into play. Some of the things that seem to have an effect are:
1) Weight of the quiver.
2) Weight of the bow.
3) How the quiver attaches to the bow.
4) Where the quiver is attached to the bow.
5) Weight of the arrows in the quiver.
6) How the shooter grips the bow.
7) Amount of hand shock in the bow.
It is a fact that anything added to a bow will have some effect on how it shoots. A little knowledge of physics ( and a conversation with Mr. Adcock.) convince me of that. However, if the change is not sufficient enough to be detected, then you can say that it has no effect on the shot.
I have shot our EFA 3 and 4 arrow bow quivers countless times at a 1" dot at a distance of 12-15 yards. Also, I have used them on a variety of bows including recurves, longbows, and a horsebow. In no instance did I see any effect on where the shot impacted. Many others have shot our quivers with the same results.
What this means is that you don't have to retune your bow for EFA bow quivers. Also, you can leave it on, or take it off at your treestand, or the 3-D range. It makes no difference.
I have never experienced a quiver effecting arrow spine. However, I have experienced poor, inconsistent shooting, especially with a longbow, when first putting the quiver on or pulling it off.
Bows that are light in the riser are most effected by a bowquiver full of arrows. Mainly because the shooter is used to the original weight. It takes me about an hour to adjust.
On the other hand, I have a particular longbow that I thought HATED my GN quiver. I had brush buttons and whiskers on the string and it was lifeless.
I pulled the brush buttons off and put the quiver back on and it is shooting wonderfully. The bow was just fighting too many different things slowing it down.