anybody using regular muzzys like pictured below rather than a cut on contact head? I dont notice much penitration difference in my foam targets between the two. (http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu58/bowhuntmaster/mx4.jpg)
my good buddy used them last year with good success. Took a 20 yards running shot on the buck and was a tad bit forward. Arrow still went through the front shoulder.
I still use Muzzys occasionally and I've always had good results with them hunting but when I practice with them it seems like a lot more of my target ends up in the broadhead than with a solid steel Montec. Have you noticed it in your foam targets?
A friend of mine shot a buck in Kansas useing a 40 pound recurve, a Muzzy 3 blade,and 450 gr. carbon arrow. It was a 15 yard shot, boths lungs and the deer went 20 yards. He had dropped down in poundage because of some health issues. Shot placement is the key. I have some Muzzy and Thunderheads I may give a try. I like 2 blades, but alot of deer have been taken with Muzzy's.
I left out that my buddy that shot through that front shoulder was shooting a 45# recurve. When I was 15 and I shot my first deer I was using a 40# recurve, and just about a 400 grain arrow tiped with a thunderhead. But they are cut on contact. I dont think that little gap will make much of a difference?
Yes I have noticed they tear up foam on removal.. I dont shoot them until right before season. They just fly so good compared to anything else. Plus their cheap and replacement blades are super cheap.
I killed a lot of stuff with trad bows with the muzzy 3 blade 125 heads several years ago including a boar over 250 pounds. I shoot fairly light weight bows around 50-52@27 and never had penetration problems.Be sweet if the made a 220 grain 3 blade.RC
I'm going to be trying the standard Muzzy 4 blades in the very near future...
I don't like them for any setup, trad or compound. They seem to delicate and break a bit easily. I like Phantom SS bh's, but the bleeders break easily IMO... I put them on Axis shafts and if they hit something hard, the bleeders slide down onto the shaft, damaging it... So I shoot Muzzy Phantom SS without bleeders. I may try a washer with the bleeders this summer, but I think I am going with Abowyer single bevels or Woodsman Elites at 200 grs.
I believe the design of the old muzzy was intended for recurves.
I have used them and the fly great. Unfortunately, I did crowd the shoulder on a particular broadside shot and did not get through the shoulder. I have not used them since.
QuoteOriginally posted by BobCo 1965:
I believe the design of the old muzzy was intended for recurves.
I have used them and the fly great. Unfortunately, I did crowd the shoulder on a particular broadside shot and did not get through the shoulder. I have not used them since.
My 50# super diablo was shooting a 600 grain wood arrow with a zwikey(sp) 2 blade and I only made it about 1" penitration past the back of the broadhead on a 15 yard shoulder shot.
Shoulder shots are not going to work out well unless your using some howard hill equiptment.
Erik: I solved the bleeder blade problem with the Phantoms on Axis shafts by footing them. The footing offers a lot more advantages than for just using the Phantoms.
Or instead of wasting all the extra time that goes into footing them Easton sells a broadhead adapter ring, that goes behind the broadhead- exactly for this reason. they are not expensive either
I killed a longbeard with a 125 Muzzy that I had laying around this past May. It did the job.
You can call Muzzys a lot of things, but "fragile" isn't one that comes to my mind...
Although I didn't use them much with compounds, once I blew a 4 blade 130 grain Muzzy completely through the knuckle(completely destroying it), body, and offside of a mule deer at 30 yards, and all that happened to it was one blade bent. I was so impressed I kept it as a curiosity.
I don't think I'll worry much about penetration or breaking if I decide to give then a try with my recurves...
I know everyone stresses cut on contact for penitration but those cut trocar tips are sharp. Also I have used magnus 2 blades and the tips curl when they hit bone. I would think the curl would be worse than the trocar.
P-Man, what you do with the Magnus 2 blade is cut or grind the tip back about 2/16"-3/16" then file it square like an old Razorhead...
I consider the trocar to be cut on contact . . . or I guess it is really poke on contact and then cut? No it is still cutting right, or isnt it, te he . . . I would definatly say that a curl would be worse!
Muzzy sells the rings for the axis shafts and they are a lot cheaper then getting them from Easton. I think muzzy's price for 12 is $3.