I am looking to try these on a couple of bows. I placed a WTB in the classifieds, but might just go ahead and buy some new ones. Would like to buy half dozen. Only place I have found to sell 6, is Bowhunters Superstore. Anyone know of somewhere else I could buy 6 of these. Thanks,
Jeff
Big Jims Bow company and lancasters had the best prices last i checked.
What is a 1535?
Carbon arrows rated for #15 to #35 pound bows.
Big Jims website is not working, and Lancaster only sells by the dozen. Anyone know where I could by only half dozen.
Jeff
I believe it is a .600 spine carbon that GT just came out with.
it is a .600 spine carbon goldtip traditional.....but it surely isnt suited for bows from 15# to 35#.....they work well for bows 40 to 50 pounds.....
Exactly. Does anyone know if Big Jims sells shafts by the half dozen?
Jeff
I think so, but they might be a little more per shaft than the doz. price.
I purchased a 1/2dz from bigjims when I was trying them out. Great prices. Just give him a call and he'll square you away. His site was down when I ordered mine as well.
Thanks everyone. Since Bigjims is a sponser here, I will try them first.
Jeff
TopGun- give us a call at 229-344-1616 and we'll take care of you.
thanks, bigjim
By the way, 1535's are best suited for bows 40#'s and under. If you have a light overall arrow weight and or short draw, or your bow is not cut to center, you can creep up into the 40's. There's always someone out there that can make them work at a higher poundage, but it's not the rule.
thanks,bigjim
.600 spine has a conversion of 52.5#s.
That is to convert common carbon spines into wood/AMO ratings (26" centers).
that is actually stiffer than a 1916 aluminum.
draw length , arrow length, riser cut, point weight, etc...all would be deciding factors..
Steve, according to Rose City's AMO chard the .600 spine converts to between 43 and 44 pounds.
Your correct that a .600 carbon is a little stiffer than a 1916 but the Easton chart for the 1916 is spined at 28" centers and it has .623 deflection. I am not sure if that is measured with a 2 pound weight or a 1.94 pound weight.
But according to the Easton chart the 1916 cut to 29" would be for bows in the low to mid 40's with 125 grain point.
The only way one arrow can cover 15 to 35 is by leaving it full length for 15, and cut to about 28 for 35. It's really ridiculous if you think about it. Carbon arrow manufacturers could get much more close on spine variations if they wanted to work the process. It's easier for them to give you a wide variation, and make you cope with that by adding lots of tip weight, or let them long, or cut them until the work.
This is one of the reasons I still shoot aluminum, and others are coming back to it. Myriad spines are available as are adequate weights within those spine categories, so you can pick a length and weight you want and match spine pretty easily.
Carbons have a very long way to go in spine variety to suit me.
Tim... that sounds right with a 29" arrow 1916.... my point is that a .600 spine carbon for bows under 40#s are going to need to be left full length an loaded up front... a 1816 or even a 1716 would be good for bows 35-40#s.... a 600 spine carbon is much stiffer than 1816s or 1716s...especially when cut short...although they do supposedly recover faster....
Tim...the conversion i was using i got from braveheart... you divide 31.5/ by the actual spine to convert carbons to woodies...not sure if its 100% accurate...
The numbers 1535, 3555, 5575.......arent at all meant for trad shooters...... its meant for wheelie shooters with risers cut way past center who can shoot a wide spine range.... that is why it is so important for tradshooters to load up the front to soften the spine..which actually helps us with penetration and adding weight to the carbons.. all i know is ive shot 600 spine exclusively in 3 different brands... i shoot them in 45#ish bows cut at just over 28" with 175 to 185 up front... some bows are cut to center, some just shy of center... i'm able to get acceptable bareshafts, im also able to group bareshats well with fletched....and most importantly my broadheads fly great..
Does anyone know if GT makes a black 1535 instead of the traditional arrows?
Yep, its the expedition hunter, but its way lighter then the Traditional.
1535's (.600's in general) are great for us short draw length guys. I draw 25" & shoot 1535's cut to 28.5", 50gr brass insert & a 145gr point for a total arrow weight of 430gr's. My draw weight at 25" is 46 pounds so it works out to 9.4 GPP.
Yuo gotta watch too because the traditionals are way stiffer than the black unwrapped one's.
i believe Kustom King and also Lost Nation Archery sells half dozen.
I tried the 1535's and for me in my Das bow and my Bear TD they tuned out better than 3555's with 150gr broadheads. That is with bows 45-49lb. With 50lb to 55lb the 3555's tuned better.
I have a 47# longbow and bought 3555's and they were to stiff in spine bareshafted tuned. I'll try the 1535's, shooting 1916 and they tune perfect.
I am shooting a 45# Hoots recurve and these GT trad 1535's are perfect for this set-up. If I get the Expedition's I would have to add some weight to match up with the trads ,then I'm afraid spine would be compromised, maybe not. Its a case of if its not broke don't fix it, I guess. I just want a black arrow.
bluej..you'll be able to get the 1535s to fly unless your bow is cut past center or u are shooting a full length arrow....but your overall arrow weight will be less than the 1916..
I bought a half dozen GTs from Mike at The Nocking Point plus he only charges you for actual shipping cost. He's also a sponser.
strange...but I shoot 1535 cut 29" and I draw them 28.5"...they shoot perfect out of my 50# Bear T/D, my 50# Wallace Royal, and my 52# Widow...I always had problems tuning with 3555s and these work much better for me. Maybe it's my 4-3" feathers...?
I'm pretty sure the key to all this is to have a reliable tuning method and tune till they are right. It seems to me that components of a persons form also play into how a particular arrow will tune foa a particular person.
Bisch
Quote..... "The numbers 1535, 3555, 5575.......arent at all meant for trad shooters...... its meant for wheelie shooters with risers cut way past center who can shoot a wide spine range.... that is why it is so important for tradshooters to load up the front to soften the spine..which actually helps us with penetration and adding weight to the carbons.. all i know is ive shot 600 spine exclusively in 3 different brands... i shoot them in 45#ish bows cut at just over 28" with 175 to 185 up front... some bows are cut to center, some just shy of center... i'm able to get acceptable bareshafts, im also able to group bareshats well with fletched....and most importantly my broadheads fly great.. "
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Front load, how much centercut a bow is, do you shorten the shafts or not, drawweight/lenght, shootingstyle.... there are many variables that make an arra fly straight.
From my 45 lbs@29" hybrid longbow I shoot GT traditionals, 30.5 BOP, 100 grains fieldtip, factory insert and nock. They bareshaft to perfection at 20 yards. GPP is 8.6, speed is burning feathers :) .
BTW; here is the conversion table:
15-35 or 0.600" becomes: 26/0,6 x 1,2115 = 52,5 lbs
35-55 or 0.500" becomes: 26/0,5 x 1,2115 = 63 lbs
55-75 or 0.400" becomes: 26/0,4 x 1,2115 = 78 lbs
75-95 or 0.300" becomes: 26/0,3 x 1,2115 = 105 lbs
So a 1535 actually has a static spine value of 53. You can adjust the dynamic spine with... oh well you all know the drill....
I have some that I could part with. How long do you need them? mine are 28" BOP
QuoteOriginally posted by Biff:
Carbon arrows rated for #15 to #35 pound bows.
Not really. I shoot them out of 45-50# bows and they shoot just great.
i shoot 28" GT 1535's out of all of my bows with the exception of my better halves Tamerlane. I am now shooting them out of a Mariah Thermal 54# @ 26 1/2" recurve, I can shoot 100gr. field points to 175gr. with a 50 gr. brass insert, they really move, and I find them to be very accurate, and they seem to fly very well.