I have read alot about bow poundage and shot placment, foc, efoc, arrow flight,yada yada yada. What this thread is a place to prove it. I'm from missouri so I want you to show me. I want a picture of a three shot group from 15 yards. ( the distance I most see in these just keep your shots close topics) I went out took three warm ups to get my muscles movin. Same thing I do before I hunt. Then I went to fifteen yards and shot three arrows. Not the best, but I'll take it everyday. What I want people to get from this is an idea of how they shoot compared to others. Maybe it is time to rethink our practicing regimn, maybe not. Either way, take the challenge, be truthful, and lets see what ya got! (http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss13/dvshunter/CIMG0179.jpg)
Just look at my avatar they were from 20yrds do I still need to do 15yrds.But I shoot every day at least 2-dozen it's been my habit since I started(even when I did the wheels)and I love to improve my shooting always.I shoot 30yrd 3"groups when I am relaxed and in the zone.But backyard shooten and Hunten shooten are two different animals. IMO :thumbsup:
that is what I want at twenty yards. I shoot everyday... Most of the time. Great shootin, that should kill whatever you hunt.
Ya now all I have to do is find them to kill them...LOL
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about ten minuets ago all at 20, definatly not the best shooter in the world, but good enough!
you guys are missing the point. I don't want to see all your old pics. I mean right now. Go shoot six arrows. Three to warm up and three for the pic. Anyone can take a pic of theor best groups after practicing. I want a three shot hunting group. Not something from six months ago.
nice shooting too chris I bet those arrows are easy to see
You can warm up before you hunt, but can you stay warmed up all day on a long hunt? How about three cold shot with the first arrow really the only one that counts?
alright, my bad, that picture is about 20 mins old now! And that was my warm up ;) , they are most definatly easy to see! I could launch it into the middle of the woods blindfolded and still find it, especially when there is snow, they kinda glow!
Yep what Xtrema said. 1st shot counts, I usually shoot low.
Terry
I will post mine in 2.5 months then - 1 month to get a bow - curently bowless (waiting for my new ACS to show up :bigsmyl:
but I could throw the arrows i guess :D .
And 2.5 months to heal my arm..... :mad:
Jer :D
I thought about that one shot thing, but it is hard to convey my meaning online. I wanted it to be as simple, plus anyone can get lucky once. I want consistancy, not a hope and pray thing. I think any respectable archer should be able to have at least a five inch groups at fifteen yards. It doesn't even take that much practice to achieve this minimum either. Jmo though
QuoteI think any respectable archer should be able to have at least a five inch groups at fifteen yards. It doesn't even take that much practice to achieve this minimum either.
I think thats kind of a 'different' statement..
I can't group very good, but I'm a great shot when stumping.. I've killed my fare share of critters with a bow too.
Good shooting to you though...
Todd
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/dazzafelix/DSCF0009.jpg)MY 30 yards average group,sometime worst,but usually so.
I guess I'm just lucky...
I'll take that over being good any day of the week and twice on Sunday..
Todd
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/dazzafelix/DSCF0004.jpg)Other 30yrs,you know why I love the Robertsons
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3 to warm up but then 3 for the pic? and there supposed to be a hunting group? When did the deer start letting you have 3 warm up arrows?
I have to agree first three arrows is closest to hunting.
Hmmmph....think thats good shootin?!! Well I'll show ya!......as soon as I get the right camera and learn how'ta post pictures (behind the times I am). Matter of fact I'll even take one shot at a time spaced at least an hour apart. 8^))))
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cacciatore- your groups are impressive, but that isnt was really impresses me. I am impressed by how well you group with so many different bows. I shoot 3 out of 5 of my bows good, and the other two I cant shoot, lol. Good shooting.
Thanks Chris but I work few and shoot lot.LOL
the first three are for warmin up and last time I checked you were allowed to warm up before you go. If you don't like the rules then you don't have to play. I want three shot groups... So that is what I asked for.
QuoteOriginally posted by Predator Man:
3 to warm up but then 3 for the pic? and there supposed to be a hunting group? When did the deer start letting you have 3 warm up arrows?
I lived this last summer on a roe deer buck,that I shot from a tree stand....3 "warm up" shots 2 inches over his back!!! the problem was I only had 3 arrows in my quiver..I can still hear him laughing at me
But the good thing is that I know that my bow is whisper quiet
just a hunter, I'm sure even if you can't group well a five in circle should give plenty of room for you at 15 yards. You might surprise yourself.
QuoteOriginally posted by ottertails:
Hmmmph....think thats good shootin?!! Well I'll show ya!......as soon as I get the right camera and learn how'ta post pictures (behind the times I am). Matter of fact I'll even take one shot at a time spaced at least an hour apart. 8^))))
For sale: Canon Eos Elan
Now thats a great idea
Personally, I have always thought groups were overrated. I find that shooting unique spots is better practice.
I would also add that proper practice is a good thing but making the shot in hunting situations is different and requires additional skills.
QuoteOriginally posted by LV2HUNT:
Personally, I have always thought groups were overrated. I find that shooting unique spots is better practice.
I would also add that proper practice is a good thing but making the shot in hunting situations is different and requires additional skills.
I agree huntin shots require different skills, but as to group being overated... I'm not so sure. A group is just shooting the same spot over and over. It is no different than shooting at one spot. What it does do is show you flaws in shooting style suck as dropping bow arm, which is why I usually seem to shoot low. Or plucking the string. Whatever the case may be. Would ypu agree that an arrow makes for a pretty unique spot, pick it and then whatta know... A group is born. :-)
I can shoot really tight groups, I mean really tight as long as I limit the number of arrows I shoot to one...lol
I'd love to play and if I can remember to do it once this computer gets fixed I'll post one.
God bless,Mudd
so if your groups are off how do you diagnose what the cause was for example if you pluck the string where does your shot go and if you drop bow arm etc? i will try this test when i get home but just curious how to diagnose issues once i see my grouping
I don't know maybe it is just me but sometimes groups feel like you are "walking them in". Whereas a sigle unique spot requires you to lock in to a different spot each time.
The problem with an arrow already being there as a spot is that you rarely shoot at an animal with an arrow to use as a spot. Not never, but rarely.
you are right, the second shot is always easier, but that is assuming that your first shot was in the right place to begin with!
It ain't 15 yards but it's 20 yards. Does that count? Note that one of them is a bare shaft.
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true you rarely get to shoot at an animal with an arrow in it and if you do the arrah proley aint where is is supposed to be anyway, but if you can pick one spot, why can't you pick a different one? Bryon ferguson says that the center of everything is the same so... Lets see some groups. When I started bowhuntin at 12, my father said I couldn't go until I could hit the bullseye, which was a three inch circle, 6 out of 7 times at 20 yards. I practiced for months until I could. I did the same thing with a recurve at 25 years old. I think it was a good way to show I was ready for the woods. I did make my bullseye a five inch circle when I dropped my training wheels though.
I used to find if I shot 5 arrows and 5 groups my best arrow in the group and best group was the 5th on average. I dialed in as I shot. Now I find I get lazy or shift into checking my release, anchor, or bow follow through, and my groups go down hill. Often I will shot the first group well and the first arrow the best.
I plan to mostly rove when the weather breaks. Last time I went out I was seriously accurate at all kinds of ranges to 25 yd. with one shot per stump, stick, leaf..... Then I went back and started shooting groups at 20 yd., and everything went down the tubes. I have some work to do if I want to be as good paper target shooter.
I just got home and it is dark, but as soon as I get a bite to eat I will light up the target with the truck lights and see what I can do.
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We should try this outside in winter 35 degrees or below in a t-shirt(pink just to add to the mind game) and at near dark.Who's game first three shots?
Well it is not 35 below, but below freezing anyway. No t-shirt, but a heavy winter coat, and no arm guard. Not close to dark, but after dark in the truck lights; That made it a little hard for me shooting in a shadow. I will have to try it again the next time I have daylight.
First three and second three in order. Third arrow was the high one in the first three. I couldn't see real good where I was shooting, and I think I peaked.
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Those were with the cell phone flash. It looked more like this shooting. There is a black hole target just to the right throwing some shadow. I couldn't tell real well where the hits were other than seeing the shaft shadows kind of across the target. Looks like I need a little more practice for shooting coons in the spot light.
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listen, I know you can kill things without grouping well on paper. I don't want pics of deer and otherthings. This is a test of grouping at fifteen yards. If you can't or won't do it, then that's fine. This is for those of us that do, or maybe even those of us with nothing to do. Anyway it's groups I'm after. Three shots at fifteen yards. It is fun if you try.
I believe this group shooting thing has turned into somewhat of a monster for some of us...6 arrows in a 5" circle at 20 yds seems to be the accepted rule. Well ok, are you a target/range shooter where grouping counts? Your 1st shot is what counts when hunting, rarely if ever, do you get a 2nd shot.
Practice at unknowned ranges (within your comfort zone) one arrow at a time, at different positions
My groups are all over 4500 acres, some kills, some bad hits, some misses.
Sorry I don't carry a camera very often.
If it is in range...I shoot.
Everyone needs to get off their soap-boxes for a couple minutes...
DVSHUNTER asked a simple question. He is interested in seeing what other guys can do at 15 yards with 3 arrows. This is his practice regimen and if you put 100 shooters next to eachother, and said go practice, we would all do it differently.
This post is absolutely no different than someone asking to see pictures of a Black Widow Longbow, and what people thought of them. Then 15 people jump on and start talking about how Black WIdows aren't the way to go, and post pictures of their NON-BLack Widow Longbows.
So lets show DVSHunter the "black widow longbows" he asked for... (3 shot groups @ 15 yds)) If you don't do that, or don't feel like it right now... There are tons of other topics in the PowWow to post on.
Ok I will play, went out this afternoon when I got home from work stopped around 15 yds (stepped off at 17 when I was done shooting), no warm up, first shot was a smidge low, second dead on, third a little high. You can see a pencil circle which is an 8" pie pan. The red is a 3" circle.
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It would be better practice and a better assessment if we shot those 3 arrows , with 1/2 hr. spacing between shoots-- to better assess how well, or often we get that first arrow in. Just a thought.
well said sir
QuoteOriginally posted by cpnhgnlngct:
Everyone needs to get off their soap-boxes for a couple minutes...
DVSHUNTER asked a simple question. He is interested in seeing what other guys can do at 15 yards with 3 arrows. This is his practice regimen and if you put 100 shooters next to eachother, and said go practice, we would all do it differently.
This post is absolutely no different than someone asking to see pictures of a Black Widow Longbow, and what people thought of them. Then 15 people jump on and start talking about how Black WIdows aren't the way to go, and post pictures of their NON-BLack Widow Longbows.
So lets show DVSHunter the "black widow longbows" he asked for... (3 shot groups @ 15 yds)) If you don't do that, or don't feel like it right now... There are tons of other topics in the PowWow to post on.
it is always tuff shooting when you can't see yer arrow for me.
I try and shoot every day. Multiple shots are mainly for form and distance judgement as well as accuracy. I want it all to come natural from different positions i.e. hunting situations with brush etc. If I decide Im going to hunt out of my treestand I practice out of the stand and I want my first shot to be in the kill zone. When I can go out every day and put the FIRST arrow in the kill zone I feel ready to hunt. Yardage I will shoot at an amimal is dictated by this. But then again we all miss.
Last week before a trip I shoot 2 arrows per day about 4 hours apart and 15-25 yards.
The rest of the time I shoot one or two and retrieve.