Well I decided to up the weight of my arrows and increase my FOC. I was shooting Beeman ICS Bowhunter shafts at a total grain weight of 347.2 before, with 7 gpp. My foc was 13.64%
And today I received my brass inserts. I went 100 grains and man are they sweet!!! So now I am shooting 447.2 grains, which is 8.64 gpp(still a bit shy), and my FOC is 18.64%, and the best news is that my flight is almost identical, just a wee bit slower, and about a inch or so low out to 30 yards. Which in the feild I rarely take shots beyond 25 yards. So during the summer I will play with bh weight, and have a arrow above both the 9 gpp and 19% FOC threshold!!!
Sounds like you have a winner!
wack'em and stackem
I just setup a new 200 grain LW Grizzly that I got from K-zoo with 100 grain steel BH adapter, 100 grain brass arrow insert in a CX 300 for an EFoC of 28% and total arrow weight of 688 grains. Awesome! I love this stuff! I just shot this arrow in my driveway at 20 yds. with my 54# longbow....perfect arrow flight, super quiet, pin-point accuracy. What more could you ask for? A penetrator setup w/o a doubt. I shot two P&Y class bucks with this bow and a similar setup here in Wisconsin this season with excellent results; both pass through exits, heavy and short blood trails. I will never hunt with any other kind of arrow. I've been using this specific setup ever since Ashby came out with his reports a couple years back. Yes, a lot of different arrow setups will pass through a white-tail no problem, been there done that as well. This takes it to the next level...rhino anyone? LOL
Regards –
Kris
cool Kris, that sounds awesome, Doc is definatly the one that convinced me to try it!
Chris,
I would encourage you to keep running with it, see what you can get away with i.e. increased arrow weight, FOC & EFoC, bare shaft tuning, high MA broadheads, honed BH's, et al...it's a blast if you love to tinker and experiment!
Good luck -
Kris
Chris whats your set up that you are shooting? Just curious.Sounds like a good set up! thanks Jeff.
I shoot a Greatree Deer Master take down 55# 28", 60" total. Beeman ICS bowhunter shafts, 400 spine 8.4 gpi.
Kris I am definatly going to tinker, need something to keep me shooting all summer, between perfecting my arrow system, IBO, and school, I will be a busy bee!
I've never hunted with a shaft under 500 grains so i was curious how EFOC shafts would perform. I used a Gold Tip 55/75 shafts cut to 28" with a 50gr brass insert and 200gr phantom broadhead total weight 532gr on a hog hunt I just went on. I shot a 130lb boar and wentthrough both shields with the arrow sticking out the other side about 4 to 6"s. I shot two big sows with complete pass thorough with the arrow sticking in the dirt and another buried up to the fletch. I was very impressed with the increased penetration with the EFOC shafts.
:thumbsup: :)
This year I'm shooting full length 75/95's w/ 140gr Steelforce Sabertooth's w/100grs steel broadhead adaptors. Total weight is exactly 600gr. I'm shooting them out of my 56lb Border Black Douglas. This year hit the leg bone just below the joint and broke through the bone.
That is awesome, I am not to the EFOC level yet, but you guys are sure tryin to get me there!
I didnt know they made steel inserts? Where do you get them???
Chris,
I initially misspoke when I said "steel inserts", sorry. I have since edited that post.
Here's a tip on adapters though: I turn my steel adapters down to the exact size they need to be per a specific ferrule. Grizzly ferrules are about the smallest of all the traditional heads. The steel adapters usually will not fit into the Grizzly's completely. I invert my high speed drill in my work bench vise and tighten the steel adapters directly into the chuck with the tapered end exposed. I then set the speed of the drill and run a mill bastard file over the insert to reduce it in diameter. Please wear safety goggles. What you get is a steel adapter that fits just flush with the rear of the broadhead and aligns itself perfectly! I can send pics if you are interested.
Regards –
Kris
Kris, I believe what you are talking about are steel adapters....
yup adapters, they should make steel inserts!
Guru,
You are correct, thank you. I misspoke initially and said "steel arrow inserts" when I meant to say "steel BH adapters".
Chris,
I have never seen steel arrow inserts. The brass inserts aren't bad though. I've have only ever had one brass insert bend slightly and that was under an extreme situation.
Kris
hey chris, how long is your arrow? im shooting the same poundage, and have some of those arrows might try to fixem up....
I have mine cut to 29.5, But I think I can go 29? I need to make a draw length arrow, because you cant really get a acurate draw length reading using a tape measure. To me it is worth it, if you buy brass everytime, I got mine for 12 dollars, that would be about 60 bucks for a dozen arrows, that is still pretty cheap!
I always used wood but just started using 2016 legacy arrows cut at 28". With 250 grs up front I have an arrow that weighs 595grs and a foc of 20%. I'm shooting 44# of my 54" Rocky Mt. Recurve. Man that arrow thumps.
Mint
What kind of bow and poundage are you shooting? Sounds a lot like the arrow I use. Mike
A one-piece STEEL INSERT/BROADHEAD TAPER IS now available. You can find details on the following TG thread.
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=084321
They not only increase arrow integrity, they will aid in getting higher FOC.
Ed
Here's a tip on adapters though: I turn my steel adapters down to the exact size they need to be per a specific ferrule. Grizzly ferrules are about the smallest of all the traditional heads. The steel adapters usually will not fit into the Grizzly's completely. I invert my high speed drill in my work bench vise and tighten the steel adapters directly into the chuck with the tapered end exposed. I then set the speed of the drill and run a mill bastard file over the insert to reduce it in diameter. Please wear safety goggles. What you get is a steel adapter that fits just flush with the rear of the broadhead and aligns itself perfectly! I can send pics if you are interested.
Regards –
Kris
I have done the same thing to get the adaptor to seat better in those Grizzlies.I also put the grizzly in a vice,chuck the adapter in the drill and screw it into the Grizzly.This helps shape the Grizzly's ferrule which often is not concentric.It also sinks the adaptor about 1/16" farther than it would have gone by hand.This process makes tiny grooves inside the broadhead ferrule,also and that helps the glue bond even better.The broadhead will and adaptor will get hot so wear a glove when you first handle them.
I took some FMJ 400's from my unused wheel bow, stripped them, added wraps and 4" RW's. Melted a 11/32 125 field point onto a 100 gr. steel bh adapter and took it outside with my 60 lb. Widow. WOW! Easily done, and without having to buy brass adapters. I've started using the 11/32 100 gr. adapters and changing point weight with the glue-ons. Very easy and cheap to tune from 200 to 300 grains up front.