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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Biathlonman on January 30, 2010, 12:38:00 PM
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What can you all tell me about the metal riser Bear Take downs? I've seen lots of threads about the wooden riser takedown, but very little on the metal risers. I just bought a "B" handle with limbs to make it a #48 pounder. The bow I'm getting also has a neat sight system built into the riser with red circle sight pins. Prices are all over the map on Bear takedowns, what's a nice metal handle worth?
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The metal is magnesium, though not worth as much as the wood they are good shooters
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Depending on condition just the handle can range from $125 to $300. If its kinda beat and has some holes itsa a good $125 hunting, carp wackin etc. If the handle is about new in the box a collector that does not have one might consider paying $300 for it. Average very good used should run about
$150 to $175. An A is usually a little higher. Limbs in that weight range(assuming they are red tips)run about $150 to $225. depending on condition. Limbs over 50 lbs are worth mome depending on the weight. A complete bow usually sells from $300 to $450.
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It's 48#....not #48. 8^).
The magnesium risers (Mag)...were introduced in the very early 1970's, when nearly all archery companies were moving toward metal risers....mostly for their target models. There were many reasons for that in regard to shootability, performance, etc. But anyhoo....Bear introduced the Bear Mag. Takdown in three riser sizes. A, B and C, that could be matched with limbs, 1, 2 and 3, to create various lengths for just about any archery application.
They are not as valuable to collectors as the wood risers, but they are great shooters. The built-in sight system is the Bear Premier Sight, that was introduced in the mid 1960's in their wood riser Tamerlane target bow...then also put in a few other bows for target and hunting.
The price is what someone is willing to pay, but will usually be about 60% of the price of a wood riser takedown, if it is in great condition. I've seen them go for as little as $200.00 and as high as $450.00 for a like new model., but average will be around $250.00 to $300.00'ish, with wide differences due to condition....and who's looking.
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Great bows, had two risers and 3 sets of limbs, in the '80s. Wish I still had them!
The sweet thing, now is there is some great aftermarket limbs available.
Personally, I would much rather have the mag riser over the wood! Another working mans bow!
Enjoy, post pics when you get it, if possible!
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You have a great bow there. Enjoy it.
I have a handful of bows and my most accurate and stable bow is a bear A mag with #2 limbs.
If you ever grow tired of it and want to sell it -- I'll take it.
They are that good.
Joe
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I have access to one. Are limbs available?
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Like this One? It's called "The Minuteman". The limbs don't use bolts to hold them on. I shot one of these Years ago. What I remember is that it was a very nice shooter.
(http://www.rmsgear.com/Images/shop_bows_2010/berms.JPG)
Note: The pic is from RMSGear.com website.
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Yeah....similar (if not the same). I shot it about 6 mos. ago and I liked it. As I remember the limbs are 40-45#.
Can you get limbs made?
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You be able to find someone that can make you limbs. I would email the Bear archery company and ask them first.
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I'll check it out Guido. =0)
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Mysticguido, thats a 76er, not a minuteman. It has solid fiberglass limbs, no taper, the Minuteman has a thicker laminated wood/glass limb and bigger limb pocket that the limb goes through, more similar to a regular Bear takedown limb. I have both of them, good bows for the money!
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On RMSGear.com they call it the Minuteman...
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Congrats…Out of all the bows I’ve owned, I’ve kept a Bear magnesium T/D with me the longest. The one pictured is a B handle with #2 limbs that I acquired earlier this year and will finish setting it up over the winter. The information given so far just about tells the tale, but I wanted to also mention that different grips were available: low, middle, and high. The mid grip (2R…right-handed) is on the bow and the other is the high grip. Enjoy, Rick.
(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy136/ricksnetpics/beartd01.jpg)
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Koger is correct, that model is the 76'er. The Minuteman had laminated limbs, maple and fiberglass, not solid fiberglass. The 76'er also had another name later, like Black Bear T/D or something, but the Minuteman was a step above with the laminated limb setup.
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I bought an "A" handle bow in 1972 and still have it.I'm actually in the process of refinishing it right now.As already stated,they are great shooters.Mine shoots right there with the best custom bows I have owned.I think the magnesium nandle TD's are much overlooked as a fine,workhorse,hunting bow.A lot of bow for the money.
Mine weighs almost exactly the same as my newer model wood handle TD.
It has always taken a little more to quiet it than my other bows but not too big a deal.
All the bear limbs should fit it (3 different lengths)plus there are great aftermarket limbs being made by Schafer,Rose Oak and RER.The Minuteman and 76er limbs are totally different and not to be confused.
You snagged a great bow.Enjoy it.
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JimB, once people get it through their heads that the metal riser has been around longer than most of them have, and isn't the work of the devil, they will become more popular. Hopefully not until we have collected all we want first 8^).
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Amen to that George.The metal will never have all the nuances of fancy wood but I still think that that magnesium riser is more asthetically pleasing than any of the modern metal handles and I love the takedown mechanism.
Either Fred had an incredible eye for shape,line and form or he had someone on staff that did.Custom bowyers are still being influenced by the lines of the Kodiaks,Super Kodiaks etc.
I have recently been lucky enough to be invited to go lion hunting a few times and am constantly reminded that it is a good idea to travel in steep country with your hands free,except for maybe a good walking stick.I have been toying with the idea of adding limb sleeves to the sides of my Cat Quiver,which has the large pack on it.The riser could go in the pack with jacket etc.
Things get kind of exciting when you get to the tree and many houndsmen don't like a lot of fidgeting at the moment of truth-some don't even like bows because of bad experiences.But I believe I could get this bow assembled and strung fast enough to get the job done.It is probably the only 3 piece TD bow I would consider for that.
I showed the bow to a friend the other day who is older than me and a lifelong "traditional"shooter and long bow enthusiust and he was impressed with the feel of the 2R grip.
I have always thought it was a mistake to discontinue the magnesium takedowns .Three different riser lengths,3 different limb lengths,3 different grips,set up for any accessory you could ever need,tough enough for bow fishing or mountain climbing,smooth and accurate enough for target work.
What more could you need in a bow?I think it was an extremely well engineered and well thought out system and I would bet,with a little marketing it would still be viable today.
I was just watching an "A" handle bow and saw this morning that it "brought" something like $362 and it wasn't clean.
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That was a good price on that A. I already have one or it would have been a little higher.
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I keep a B handle 60"x 60# in my boat for shoot'n carp.
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Originally posted by rickshot:
Congrats…Out of all the bows I’ve owned, I’ve kept a Bear magnesium T/D with me the longest. The one pictured is a B handle with #2 limbs that I acquired earlier this year and will finish setting it up over the winter. The information given so far just about tells the tale, but I wanted to also mention that different grips were available: low, middle, and high. The mid grip (2R…right-handed) is on the bow and the other is the high grip. Enjoy, Rick.
(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy136/ricksnetpics/beartd01.jpg)
I just sent off a really beat up one of the same bow to Precision Hydrographics (sponsor) to have it dipped.
The bow is a shooter for sure that's why I'm fix'n up.
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=083334;p=5#000073
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RGinWY said, "I keep a B handle 60"x 60# in my boat for shoot'n carp."
I need directions to where you keep your boat 8^).
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I love those old bows, I'm using a Magnesium A riser with No. 2 53# limbs as my primary hunting bow. I've got a couple of B handles also. I really want another A for a back up, I've give up finding a wood A I can afford.
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There was also different arrow rest available for them that fit in sight window cover. A britle rest or a magnetic rest as well as shooting off the rubber shelf with adjustable metal plate for center shot. Before they quit making them some came with a tapped hole for a Berger button.
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76er came in "custom" & "deluxe" versions...I have 2, an A & a C, but the limbs do not interchange...the A risor socket is larger to accomodate a thin wood laminate on the part of the limb that inserts into it...not like the tapered laminated limb of the minuteman, just a rectangular piece of wood about two inches long kinda stuck onto the the front of the limb
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I had a "B" riser with #1 50# limbs in 1973-75. I shot that bow better than any recurve I've ever owned. The bow was actually my brother's who was in the marines. When he returned I gave him the bow back. Never saw it again.
A friend of mine used to work in the warranty dept. at Bear. He said while rare, they sometimes had the Mag risers returned with some type of "rot" (corrision) occuring from the inside out.
If Bear made a replica of the Mag (especially "A" riser in a LH) I would buy the bow in a heart beat.