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Title: right or left, any difference?
Post by: on January 29, 2010, 10:45:00 AM
does arrow kinda roll to the left if fletched with left fethers- ive heard shoot the same wich ever you decide on.......>>>>------>
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: Ragnarok Forge on January 29, 2010, 10:46:00 AM
Right hand shooters get better fletch clearance with left wing, and left hand shooters better with right wing.  This is the main reason to pick one over the other.  If your arrows are spined and tuned properly, right or left really doesn't matter.
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: George D. Stout on January 29, 2010, 10:47:00 AM
Think about what a feather does, it spins the arrow.  It doesn't matter which way it spins...the spinning simply stabilizes its flight.
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: on January 29, 2010, 10:49:00 AM
im a right handed shooter and i didnt know i should be shooting left wing feathers....now i have learned something, its a good day.
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on January 29, 2010, 10:59:00 AM
If You Watch a Slow motion Video of someone shooting a bow. You will see the arrow doesn't start to spin till it is away from the bow.

But like what Ragnarok said is about the normal of what most shooters do.
QuoteOriginally posted by Ragnarok Forge:
Right hand shooters get better fletch clearance with left wing, and left hand shooters better with right wing.  This is the main reason to pick one over the other.  If your arrows are spined and tuned properly, right or left really doesn't matter.
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: George D. Stout on January 29, 2010, 11:08:00 AM
Clearance is dependent on spine reaction and feather rotation, and with feathers little interference will be noticed...if at all.   With vanes, you may have to allow for clearance.  It won't make a hoot of difference at the 80 yard target, what spin your feathers have if your arrow spine is correct.
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: on January 29, 2010, 01:20:00 PM
I use both and the biggest difference is, when shooting longbows, is right wing will cut your left knuckle (shooting right handed) and left wing will cut your right knuckle (shooting left handed).  With a lot of experimenting I have minimized this effect. I have seen with a couple of cases where there may be a little feather bump difference, but that can usually be tuned out or arrow spine can also be the culprit to cause the feather contact.
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: Earthdog on January 29, 2010, 01:47:00 PM
Left or right handed shooters do not get better clearance depending on left or right wing feathers.
That is an old wives tale with absolutely no scientific.
Fletch clearance is a function of arrow spine,nothing else.
If your nock point hight is not perfect you will cut your hand with either wing spin,get it right an you won't.
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: Grey Taylor on January 29, 2010, 01:57:00 PM
I shoot right handed and alway use right wing feathers. I have no issues with feather clearance on my hand.
If you're shooting the arrow off your hand instead of a rest then the feather tips need to be prepped properly. Otherwise you'll get cut with either wing.

Guy
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: on January 29, 2010, 02:05:00 PM
I will need to point out that with Hill and John Schulz bows the standard nocking point is 1/8". It is very common for the arrow to run very close to the finger or in many cases in full contact with the finger. Fred Bear shot with full finger contact on the arrow as well. The sharp side of the quill of the feather contacts the finger with right wing and right hand bows, even if the entire set up is correct. There are some things like slightly rotating the nock or adjusting the fletcher to get the quill to lay flatter on the arrow can minimize the contact. Changes in release from one shot to the next will cause the arrow to hit the finger harder, as will reactions like lifting of the finger during the shot. The easiest thing to do if you shoot these bows or if you like to have the finger contact is use left wing when shooting right handed and right wing when shooting left handed. With my JoJan jig, with left wing and right hand bows it puts a feather straight down. Without violating the suggested nocking point position and minimize feather wear, I rotate the arrow nock 1/8 turn counter clockwise and tack it down with a dab of hot melt. Then, after the arrow has been fletched I rotate the nock to reposition the nock to the grain of the arrow, by turning the arrow 1/8 turn. this turns the bottom feather into the corner of the arrow shelf.  Of course, this is all done clockwise for right wing and left hand bows.
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: Bjorn on January 29, 2010, 02:06:00 PM
No difference for me
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: Jim Curlee on January 29, 2010, 03:09:00 PM
There is no difference between left wing, and right wing, except for the way they spin.
I'm right-handed been shooting right wing feathers forever.
I was told years ago that the left wing for right handed shooters, right wing for left handed shooters deal was a sales ploy. Everybody shot right wing feathers, now you have a glut of left wing feathers, what do you do?
You come up with a story, that you now sell to the public.
We sure are a gullible bunch, aren't we. Still are!
Jim
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: Renaissance Man on January 29, 2010, 03:25:00 PM
I sold Kelly Petersons arrows in my shoppe for a decade, all right wing, that is all he made. No difference at all for anyone regardless of bow, his arrows flew like darts, beautiful.
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: Grey Taylor on January 29, 2010, 03:36:00 PM
It doesn't help that a popular video on making wood arrows states categorically that right handers should use left wing, and vice versa.
Especially when the guy in the video says, "and don't let anyone tell you different!"

Guy
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: Buckeye Trad Hunter on January 29, 2010, 04:30:00 PM
I'm right handed and shoot left wing but it's only because I got an unbeatable deal on a left wing Jo Jan multi fletcher at Bass Pro 4 years ago $65 brand new.  Like most others have said, the only difference it makes is what direction the arrow spins and if your arrows are spined properly you can use either.
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: Predator Man on January 29, 2010, 04:33:00 PM
Fletch clearance is a mith.  You have other issues if a different feather fixes your issue.  Right or left matters for 2 reasons:


1. the catch lip is on different sides which can matter on skinny shafts or bigger shafts for that matter.

2. if you shoot broadheads designed to spin to the right you will need to fletch accordingly.... ie the catch lip issue.
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: reddogge on January 29, 2010, 04:38:00 PM
The best one I heard at a modern pro shop was "left east of the Mississippi and right west of the Mississippi."
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: John3 on January 29, 2010, 05:04:00 PM
I think it really only matters if you shoot off your hand...
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: chad graham on January 29, 2010, 05:44:00 PM
i dont see a difference!im left handed and shoot right wing to match my broadheads thats the only reason or me.
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: Jim Curlee on January 29, 2010, 05:46:00 PM
I shot self bows for many years, still shot right wing feathers.
Never bothered me, just grind the leading edge of the quill.
Jim
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: George D. Stout on January 29, 2010, 05:56:00 PM
There is a lot of BS floatin' around the archery atmosphere, and some folks will swear by the bible that it's true.  8^))).  Oh well.  Sometimes, just a good dose of common sense will fix it.....if one can muster-up such a thing in this day and age.
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: recurve_shooter on January 29, 2010, 06:05:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Bjorn:
No difference for me
Same here.  I haven't noticed any difference.
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: davesonic444 on January 29, 2010, 07:50:00 PM
I see no difference
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: Grey Taylor on January 29, 2010, 07:55:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by reddogge:
The best one I heard at a modern pro shop was "left east of the Mississippi and right west of the Mississippi."
That is simply classic. I have to wonder if they were serious (and secretely hope they were).

Guy
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: Hedge Apple on January 29, 2010, 08:38:00 PM
I shoot both. The only difference is right wing has less colors available.
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: BWD on January 29, 2010, 11:04:00 PM
Shoot right wing because they are easier to fletch on my fletcher, and right wing does not loosen my points as bad as left wing.
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: BOWMARKS on January 29, 2010, 11:11:00 PM
I have shot right hand and left hand with either one the right wing feather cuts my hand between thumb and first finger. None of my buddies seem to have this problem so it must be in the way I grip the bow.  :confused:    :confused:
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: Ragnarok Forge on January 30, 2010, 01:26:00 AM
If you consider a moderate or poorly spined shaft that is flexed in as it passes the risen, then a right hand shooter will get better clearance with left fletch.  Look at how the fletch lies on the shelf, the extra clearance while minor is obvious.

For properly spined arrows you will not care which fletch is used.  Lots of folks calling BS without looking at what is actually happening based on the physics of shooting a bow.  The fact that you don't cut your hand with fletch vs the other proves better fletch clearance without any thought at all. Add in the angle of the fletch and arc of the feather and you also have better clearance. Simple physics.  

Just because you don't believe it, doesn't make it BS.
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: Covey on January 30, 2010, 07:37:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by George D. Stout:
There is a lot of BS floatin' around the archery atmosphere, and some folks will swear by the bible that it's true.  8^))).  Oh well.  Sometimes, just a good dose of common sense will fix it.....if one can muster-up such a thing in this day and age.
Dang Toot'n, Jason
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: Ragnarok Forge on January 30, 2010, 11:43:00 AM
People using common sense once told us the world was flat, another group using it even earlier punished Gallileo for saying that the sun was the center of our solar system instead of the earth. Common sense is frequently wrong.

Common sense does not account for physics and real world applications.  It is totally subjective to each persons experiences which shapes their reality and views of what is sensible.  

Can anyone here name the person who made the first "claim" that left for right and right for left helic was best?  Who are the silly conspirators?  How do we stop the foolishness of left vesus right.  We don't.  It is a valid question.

Physics is clear here, left for right and right for left provides better riser clearance. The difference is minor but it is real.

Having said all that physics is also clear, with a properly tuned arrow the helic you use will make absolutley no difference since the fletching will be flexed away from the riser as they pass it.  

I will stick to the science, and leave the common sense for more experienced trad shooters than I.
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Post by: huntindad on January 30, 2010, 02:31:00 PM
I am a machinist by trade and work on aircraft parts and I am often amazed at how physics and science are opposed to common sense.

 Both are wrong at times but it has been proven to me in my experience that common sense and practical application are worth way more than physics and science but you can never prove this to an engineer or scientist as they are never wrong !

Just ask one!

Bill
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: Covey on January 30, 2010, 04:05:00 PM
The very reason for picking up the recurve was for the simplicity, if I'm gonna make everything complicated I bout as well shoot a compound!! What the heck! Jason
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: sleepingbear on January 30, 2010, 10:10:00 PM
Two things.  Does the arrow you are shooting, whether left or right wing, fly good?  Does it hit where you aim?  Who cares otherwise.
Title: Re: right or left, any difference?
Post by: on January 30, 2010, 10:49:00 PM
I'll routinely have RW and LW fletched arrow in my quiver.  I never noticed any difference.  I always shoot cock feather in—get virtually no fletching wear that way.  :^)