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Bill Kissner mentioned something like this on a thread once....for some reason it popped into my head today...

Nothing scientific at all, and I know it's not a real critter...but like I said, interesting....

Best to do this over a big sink or better yet a bath tub...

Get two zip-lock bags and fill them with water(I used sandwich sized bags, but anything as big or bigger will be fine) as close to the same amount as you can.....

Now, here's what I did....I got a Zwickey Eskimo 2bl. and a 3 bl. 160 Snuffer, and an old wood shaft to just stick them on the taper, no glue so I could switch them....

I held one of the bags on the top by the zip-lok and stabbed the bag low,close to the bottom... in one side, out the other...then quickly pulled it back out...water poured out pretty fast....

Popped off the Zwickey, and pushed on the Snuffer...

Then I held up the second bag, and plunged the Snuffer in and thru...the water literally exploded out of the holes! That's why I say now a bath tub might be better!   I mean so fast the the bag collapsed on itself before I could even get the bh back out!

Like I said, nowhere near scientific. Not a real animal with skin, muscle, and bone......but......

Try it with whatever bh's you have, I think you'll be impressed by how quick a big multi blade will empty the bag.

Take from it what you want...

:clapper:

:rolleyes:    :rolleyes:

I do like my 3 blade cut on contact

The 2-blade guys will say the snuffer should only be pushed through one side of the bag. Lack of penetration you know....  :rolleyes:

QuoteOriginally posted by Tique:
 :rolleyes:      :rolleyes:  

Awwww c'mon Tique....stabbing things into things that make a splashy, childish mess whilst giggling maniacaly? What's not to love about that!   :goldtooth:

Milk jugs make it more realistic

Curt I unknowingly traded for one of your old bows, It is a lone pine longbow named BANDIT. hope you don't miss it too bad. because it is growing on me, Thanks for discarding it ! Mike

Oh yea! I like three blades also! for many reasons but a big hole was the selling point!

nothin like a 3 blade snuffer!

I was just wondering what broadhead I should use next zip-lock season.


Seriously, I was/am considering a multi for deer. I'll stick with my Grizzly for elk though...

Joshua

QuoteOriginally posted by Tique:
 :rolleyes:      :rolleyes:  

Must be a 2 blade guy that doesn't want to have some fun    :notworthy:

The only down side to a Snuffer, seems to be they leave enough of a blood trail to cause a slip and fall. And yes I did.

DD

Curt you know to make this more realistic you need to add red food coloring!   :D  
Then you'd better do it over the tub, don't want anyone getting in more trouble!

Other thoughts.... just like a body cavity, the higher you hit the less the blood comes out unless it lies sideways.  Poke the broadhead half way up much of the water drains, poke the broadhead one third up and a bunch more comes out.  Both hits may still hit lung, but the blood trail might differ even with the same style broadhead. poke one side of the bag and see the results.  Two holes vs. one.  I understand... dead is dead but I love a good blood trail.  Good stuff Curt.

QuoteOriginally posted by BMN:
The 2-blade guys will say the snuffer should only be pushed through one side of the bag. Lack of penetration you know....    :rolleyes:  

They better tell that to some of the deer I've killed with my 160's.   :thumbsup:

Better yet shoot a balloon with a 2 blade then a 3 blade.  The air will rush out much faster with a 3 blade   :knothead:

I am Sorry but.......I would Still take the 2 blade over 3 blade because it will get sharper than any 3 blade. IMO 3 blades that fail to penetrate are a result of inadequate sharpening.

hmmmm I hunt deer not zip-locs... ;)

I did it with my Griz 190's and rotation spun the bag outta my grasp and threw water all over the kitchen!!!!!!   :p

(Ha Curt... You knew that was coming!!!   :D   )

Nice idea Guru... I tried what you said, then my wife walked into the bathroom... Now I gotta take my lunch to work in sandwich bags with holes in 'em.

Geeeezzzz! Can't tell ya what she told me to do with the arrow.  :eek:

... mike ...

Hmmm.....interesting post Curt, thanks for sharing. I'll get my son to help me do this, he'll love the opportunity to make a big mess for me to clean up!

joebuck, get a three blade sharpener that will give you relatively the same angle as a two blade, and you WILL leave them two blades like an old girlfriend who just informed you she was two months late.

In Norway bowhunting is illegal, even on Zip Locks...

I did the same thing except I lined up 5 milk jugs with a backstop.  Yep I like my 4 blades!!!

another reminder of how long it is: until the leaves turn colors again.....

I will take the big old nasty snuffers every time over a 2 blade.

QuoteIn Norway bowhunting is illegal, even on Zip Locks...  

Time to move brother   :archer:

QuoteOriginally posted by Stone Knife:
 

QuoteIn Norway bowhunting is illegal, even on Zip Locks...  

Time to move brother    :archer:  [/b]

+1

I'm so happy it's legal in Denmark. We may have the highest taxes and some of the most expensive public transports, but we can bowhunt!!!

:goldtooth:

Thanks for sharing Curt food for thought. Jerry

2 blades, 3, 4, 8, cut on contact, replacable, if it's sharp and penetrates the vitals, the critter dies...

Threads do get really interesting during off season. I know I've got cabin fever and it early still! Yikes! There's no telling what I might come up with. At least this one was interesting and a fun read.

About the best I think I'd be able to come up with is my battles with myself over new bow(MOAB)...lol

It's a long time before the next season so keep on thinking guys!
God bless,Mudd

PS Thanks for sharing.

Good read guru Im a 3 blade fan my self. Ive been shooting WW's and Snuffers for the last couple years. Mostly WW's only cause Ive got them made up in a bunch of different wts. But since changing no problem with blood trails. and I think Ive always gotten 2 holes, on hogs and deer. Of course I havnt killed many of either, so doesnt prove a whole lot in my case.

You should read about what the shrinks say about people that "stab" stuff Guru......

"In Norway bowhunting is illegal, even on Zip Locks..."

Heck M&M's are illegal in Norway too!

As far as two blades and three or four blades I like to use two blade phantoms on boar hogs over 100lbs because ofthe shield but for everything else I like to use the 4 blade phantoms or woodsmans.

Great idea! You can really see the difference between different BH's. I used red food coloring to make it more realistic. Does anyone have any sugestions on how to remove the red stain from my camo and also the shower?

QuoteOriginally posted by Steve H.:
You should read about what the shrinks say about people that "stab" stuff Guru......

:scared:    :clapper:

QuoteOriginally posted by joebuck:
I am Sorry but.......I would Still take the 2 blade over 3 blade because it will get sharper than any 3 blade. IMO 3 blades that fail to penetrate are a result of inadequate sharpening.

I get My Snuffers barber shop Razor Sharp.. I can shave My face with them.. Just like 2-blades You have to take your time and do it right to get them Razor Shaving Sharp..

I also did that test (outside) in & out with a 2-blade, then just in one side with a Snuffer.. Same thing as what Guru said. Snuffer deflated the bag faster. The funee thing was, My wheelie bow hunter neighbor saw me do this and Now he said He will get some 3-blades to try out next deer season.

Told Him to get them and try them on hogs.. Now if I can get him to start shooting a trad Bow, My neighborhood would be way better...

It's cold in New York!  It's cold in Pennsylvania as well, but I haven't yet got into scientific experiments in the kitchen....yet *^).  Now here is what I learned in grade school:  A larger projectile, will let a larger hole, in what ever target it hits, under similar conditions.  There you go.....my "TA-DA" moment. *^).

And I want to see Mysticguido shaving with a Snuffer.  Not that I think you can't get it sharp enough.....I want to see the process.  Keep the bandaids handy.

I'm with George, Guido, show us your method.    :D

need to get a multi blade b head to try this

Guru,
What was the brand of ziploc bag,Glad,Zip lock,Hefty were they all the same?Was the water spring,well,distilled? what was the water temp and the air temp?What was the moon phase so to determine the gravety pull on the earth?Just playen you know how we like the variables.Now you have to do a report on the penetration of plastic bags.
I think colored water in bags is gonna be what my kids shoot at this weekend.Thanks for the idea.   :thumbsup:

I shot an elk one time up and back.  It went 40 yards.  I was sick to my stomach thinking I had a bad hit.  The death kick was heard by my partner around the knob.  He walked to me smiling.  I didn't believe him.

We figured i hit the top of the lungs and it filled up QUICK!  :D  

Three blade Muzzy.

Brad

I guess it could be fun to do and see how the water flows out the bags. Im sure my son would love to do that or see me get all wet.

But.....has nothing to do with broadhead
performance.  :)  

Gilbert

i just did it with a single bevel..only instead of water i used milk, it spun so much now i have whip cream....lol just kiddin  :rolleyes:  

here's a test. take 2 milk jugs, both filled to the top and side by side. stand 10-15 yds away and shoot 1 with a 2 blade head (your choice)
and then while the 1st is draining, shoot the other with a snuffer..(ya gotta be quick)call me crazy, but i bet the snuffered jug drains first!!mabey not, lets try it..   :campfire:  

gaff

QuoteOriginally posted by NDTerminator:
2 blades, 3, 4, 8, cut on contact, replacable, if it's sharp and penetrates the vitals, the critter dies...

Wow, now there's a revelation!    :biglaugh:

I'm gonna try it with cherry  KoolAid in the bags !!. That oughta leave a mess.

I tried this with an expandable and it failed to open

I don't drink milk; and now my girlfriend is really mad about the implants I bought her ( she should be happy they weren't put in yet !).    :D

QuoteOriginally posted by glenbo:
I tried this with an expandable and it failed to open

You usin' them Punchcutters again Glen?     :biglaugh:

At that point in my archery career I was so green I was coerced into believing that they were deer kryptonite!I think the local deer felt safe Knowing that was using Punchcutters.Young AND dumb was I

I like that new Terminator. It did a job on heavy bone in a hog I shot. The more blades the more blood!!

I shotthe plasticbag with a big blunt- thehole was 2 inches in diameter and all the water immediately left the bag .

Draw your own conclusions

Yep bigger hole more blood as long as its on the other side of the animal.

Did you try it with a file sharp and a stone sharp to see which one drained faster?

Ray - I like the big blunt theory.

LOL

Mike

The Snuffer is a good head, have used it in the past. I have many friends that have used it successfully but they have all at one time or another stopped using it. Its not that it will not make an incredible hole, duh, its three bladed instead of two.
It is because of the three blades if it catches bone with one of those blades it forces two other blades at oblique angles to the way they are supposed to cut into the target.
Now as to the people I know that used them and quit it was to a man the same thing, the Snuffer when shot into an animal and does not hit any thing wrong works wonderful, but each had an episode of the animal running off with what should have been a good hit with penetration of a couple of inches and the shaft lying alongside like a rifle scabbard.
It has happend enough to good hunters that I know so that many years ago many who used them switched to a good two blade and never looked back.
Many have had good experiences and will stick with them. That of course is their choice.
I go by what I have seen and experieced and will not use them.

I tried all of the above, then I tried dropping a brick from about two feet. Talk about EXPLODING!!!!   :eek:    :eek:    :bigsmyl:

great info!! guess you can tell I'm a newbie i"m shooting 4 blades. complete pass through! blind bird gets worm I guess!!!

Ray, Last I checked we don't shoot big game with "big blunts"     :rolleyes:

Did I miss something??     :knothead:

QuoteOriginally posted by George D. Stout:
It's cold in New York!  It's cold in Pennsylvania as well, but I haven't yet got into scientific experiments in the kitchen....yet *^).  Now here is what I learned in grade school:  A larger projectile, will let a larger hole, in what ever target it hits, under similar conditions.  There you go.....my "TA-DA" moment. *^).

And I want to see Mysticguido shaving with a Snuffer.  Not that I think you can't get it sharp enough.....I want to see the process.  Keep the bandaids handy.

If I had a Video camera that was digital I do a Vid of it. I really do shave with a straight Razor, So the trick is to go slow and use the right angle. I can take a pick and post it on How to hold the Snuffer to shave, But I will say this.


Don't try this at Home..

Later on this Year I'm hoping to get a chance to Hunt with CK of 7th Age Bowhunters... And with some other Tradganger's on Public land here in Texas.. I'll do so others can see it done..

Are we a little bored?  

I take enough grief about shooting in the basement all winter.  If I was to start stabbing plastic bags I am sure my wife would go over the edge.

Anyway it's a proven point that 3 blades are better ;-)

The only thing better is a big 4 blade.  That being said I'm replacing my big 160 magnus with the new new VPA's are they are slickest thing I've seen in a while.

Matt

QuoteOriginally posted by Matt_Potter:
  I take enough grief about shooting in the basement all winter.  If I was to start stabbing plastic bags I am sure my wife would go over the edge.

Matt

:clapper:    :biglaugh:

I love snuffer's too but didn't draw a sandwiche bag tag this year!

Curt

Where are you at in upstate NY?  I'm in Montana now but, I grew up on a farm in CT and spent a fair amount of time hunting deer up there.

Matt

Only nine months until deer season.    :scared:     :smileystooges:    :knothead:  

Any other suggestions Curt?

My wife said, "What are you going to do with those bags?" so I didn't get to play this game.    

Curt,
you mean this was an experiment designed to prove something?

I thought it was just something for fun, and  I was having fun...