These limbs were computer generated back when Arvid was a lead engineer at Hewlett Packard. Pretty wild lines, smooth as silk though. Not quite as fast as the regular Curve and not as quiet. Fun to play with though, and no they aren't going to be up for sale, at least not until a few things get ironed out. The riser is the new belly mount though and will be available in low and medium wrist and take the same limbs as the the back mount but the limbs will be 3# lighter on this riser and handle much longer draw lengths with the short limbs.
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f311/vermonster13/KinkyLimbs003.jpg)
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f311/vermonster13/KinkyLimbs004.jpg)
Ya I think that would take some getting used to. :eek:
Pretty cool idea though! Thanks for sharing that with us Dave. :thumbsup:
Could we see a picture at full draw? Curious to see a profile.
That is pretty crazy.
I will try to get some when I have someone here to take the pic. If my wife knew I strung a bow and shot it right now she'd kill me.(Had three stents put in my heart 1 week ago)
Wow! that's crazy! How's that even work, it seems those curves "in the wrong direction" would cause a hinge or something (a hinge being unique to the selfbow world, usually). If not that took some engineering waaaaaaay beyond something I'd attempt.
That looks amazing. David, don't go doing yourself any damage or anything, take your time, but I'd like to see how that looks at full draw as well.
The bow is 37@30 Mike and feels like about 10#s, no worries.
Stop that David. Behave.
Chuck
The bow looks cool by the way.
I saw a longbow about 8-10 years ago that had some wavy limbs, not as pronounced as this bow tho. Did not shoot it. I can't remember who made it.
Chuck
Mon River and Bill Stewart(multi-cam) have made bows with much less pronounced "waves" in the limbs.
Didn't some bowyer/manufacturer quite a few years ago make a one piece recurve with limb something like that. Called it a duoflex I believe.
Tim Meigs made the duoflex and I don't recall any looking quite like this.
The wilcox duo flex? was not quite like that. Arvids design is alot more radical than the others. David, I think it was the stewart I am thinking of. I saw a BIG EAST bow that looked pretty wild to,it had a deflexed tip. (????)
Chuck
Pretty amazing look to those limbs. I'd like to see it at full draw too...But with someone else doing the pulling! You take it easy...Doc
Is it smoother than the regular recurve? What does the bend in the limbs do?
cool!
Smoothest drawing bow I've ever shot. Need to get it so it's quiet though. Not bad, but not good enough compared to the standard Curve.
I had one of those Mon-River's.It was a Venom. Beautiful Osage riser and limbs.It got a lot of stares. At 56" and 53# @ 28" it was a snappy compact
bow.
Craig
Pretty cool Arvid did a lot of shooting event including the most number of Robin Hood in a set time. They remind me of the Bill Stewart Bows but more dramatic.
That's ummm, what's the word......oh, yeah...UGLY! :eek:
Beauty is in the eye of the bow-holder. LOL I like pretty bows, but I like bows that shoot pretty the most.
Put some snake skins on them and they would look like thier crawling.Wild looking limbs.
Now that's different.
Arvid is a heck of an innovator! If anyone can work out the "kinks" on a kinky bow, he can!!!
Someday a good deal on a lefty Swan will pop up!!!
Bud Hitt made limbs with a wave in them too, called it dual power limbs, but they were not as pronounced as those are. His tips had more recurve also
Lucas
Sorry, that is FUGLY. BILL
Here is my Mon River Venom. Must have been monkeyballs at one time.Draws smooth and shoots fast. The design definitely works.
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z267/horatio1226/bows/Venom002.jpg)
I'll get a full draw pic later today.
Excellent...!!!
The design might work and work well. However, I do not like the way the limbs look when the bow is strung.
I really think Arvid needs to make these to sell. After tinkering with them today I got them very quiet and they are just so smooth. vtmtnman should be on to post his impressions later today as he was the photographer for me and got to shoot these and a few other bows today.
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f311/vermonster13/KinkyLimbs005b.jpg)
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f311/vermonster13/KinkyLimbs006b.jpg)
What, if any, is the benefit to that design. Does the wave add something to the power curve like a standard recurve does or is it just a fun design to make it different from all the other bows out there.
Actually it makes the force draw curve about as linear as it can get. This bow will define the meaning of smooth draw for you if you ever get to pull one back.
Tell you what guys(And gals)...This bow is SMOOTH.I overdrew this bow to about 31-32 and there was NO hint of stack anywhere in the forecast.
Once we got the bow tuned up she was a super shooter and whisper quiet.
I'd love to see what this design would be like with 45-55#'s.
Cool design!
Shoot straight, Shinken
looks like a take off of the horse bows. The top part acts as ?? sihyas ?? however they are spelled, big levers that make the bottom portion flex.
ChuckC
Sure is interesting.
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Sure is interesting.
uh hu that it is.
Want to follow any more posts here so I had to add a post. My NetNannny software doesn't like searches for the word 'kinky'. It is interesting.
Dave Barndale makes a double recuve limb for componds but this even beats his design.
Keep us posted!
Me thinks this is cool!
Now that's cool, never saw one before. Thanks!!
deflex reflex , deflex reflex, It is basically acting like a static recurve. If I remember rightly Stan Moore built a Wolverine like that years ago.
QuoteOriginally posted by vtmtnman:
Tell you what guys(And gals)...This bow is SMOOTH.I overdrew this bow to about 31-32 and there was NO hint of stack anywhere in the forecast.
Once we got the bow tuned up she was a super shooter and whisper quiet.
I'd love to see what this design would be like with 45-55#'s.
Did it require any special in the way of tuning?
QuoteOriginally posted by statedriller:
QuoteOriginally posted by vtmtnman:
Tell you what guys(And gals)...This bow is SMOOTH.I overdrew this bow to about 31-32 and there was NO hint of stack anywhere in the forecast.
Once we got the bow tuned up she was a super shooter and whisper quiet.
I'd love to see what this design would be like with 45-55#'s.
Did it require any special in the way of tuning? [/b]
Good to see you here Larry :thumbsup:
Nope,just had to find an arrow/point that worked.Wrapping the string ends worked well too.
The bow shot a much stiffer arrow than one would expect. An Axis 400 full length, footed and with a 200 grain tip was what it seemed to like the best so far. Shooting the arrows the charts say would be good for the bow weight were quite loud from being so under-spined and making bow contact. Also the Bow Hush took the string contact noise away completely. I'm pretty happy with the bow now.
You are looking good, David. Thanks for the pics of the bow. It is interesting but a little strange looking. If you say it shoots nicely, I know it does.
Allan
Glad to see you coming back so soon David.
David,
Didn't know you were laid up! Glad to hear you are doing well!
That is an interesting design! Would be interested to see how it compares speed wise with recurves and hybrid longbows at the same draw weight.
Chip
It worths to take a look at that unusual bow and yes it recall me the Stewars'd Multicam.Thanks for sharing I like this kind of posts with pics.
This bow shoots 204 at AMO. Pretty good for a 35# bow. A couple of changes are being done to the riser to increase the speed as it needs a little more angle in the shoe than the standard curve. I should have a 45# working prototype in a few weeks.
Here are some pics of the new belly mount handles that will be available early February.
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f311/vermonster13/P1010696.jpg)
Look'n good Dave :thumbsup: :campfire: :coffee:
Wood risers in the future? The metal risers are as ugly as the limbs, IMHO.
I've previously owned a Bill Stewart MCD T/D recurve. It, however, was too short, 56", and too heavy in draw weight, 53#@28", for me.
I presently own a very early Stewart MCD that he built for a target shooter in CA. It is 68", has rear mounted limbs and has a beautiful Brazilian Rosewood riser. The pic(s) below don't reflect it, but the riser is actually a deep dark brown like typical Brazilian Rosewood.
(http://usera.imagecave.com/wlamb1647/Stewart_MCD_TD/stewart.jpg)
Bill
You can order a wood riser Bill in the back mount. Exotic wood with carbon strip reinforcement.
a 35#er that likes 400's with 200 gr tips? and shoots 204, was that with that arrow or something else? total arrow wgt?
Ya got me intrigued :D
I would think that this bow would have great appeal to former compound shooters, or compound shooters who are thinking or trying something a little more traditional, for the following reasons; it produces fast arrow flight for it's very light draw weight, the materials require little of no care, it could be shot just seasonally because it would require very little strength development as more common longbows and recurves do, and men a woman could share the same bow.
Not sure about the bow Dave, but your release looks rock solid. :thumbsup:
It is awesome that Arvid is always tinkering and looking for something better, no wonder why he builds such awesome bows. Take care there David.
It is very unique. In the second photo of shooting the limbs seem to have the vibration in the middle part. Maybe that portion is just moving faster than the tip. Did it give you more handshock?
No hand-shock. Very dead on the release. The bow is 204 at AMO (30" 9gpp). I don't know what the speed was with my arrows, they are just what shot well for me with it. I needed pretty long arrows for my draw.
Thanks for the answer. Definately love to hear the update on teh 45# one in the future.
Looking at the string angle at your 30" draw,it looks like you have 3" more draw before it starts stacking.
I believe Dave told me the limbs were good till 34" before stacking occurs.I over drew past my 28 to about 31-32 and it was still butter smooth.
I'm not sure exactly how far you can draw it before any stack occurs. I can draw a 32" axis to the end of the shelf and not feel any. I imagine 34" is a pretty safe bet, more than 99.99% of shooters will ever draw one.
Not sure what to think about. :)