the seal skin rest on my RER fell off while bunny huntin with the gang sun. so i replaced it with velcro. now my arrows seem to be out of tune... :mad:
does changing a rest have that big of an effect??
im really discouraged because my arrows were like darts before the switch. :confused:
gaff go colts!!!!!!
wooooohoooooo
Was it the rest or the side plate that you replaced Jamie? Or both? As mentioned, if the new material is thinner than what you replaced it could make a difference, although very minor.
To compensate for the side plate, build it out a bit with something under the velcro - sliver of leather, toothpick, etc. If the rest, you could do the same thing, or just adjust the nock point on your string.
Which part of the velcro did you use? I've seen folks use the toothy part before and that is a mistake.
its all n the hgt of the "rest" or thickness of side plate.
I used the loop part dave.. whip i replaced both the pcs. i shot soooo bad last night at my indoor league last night i was embarrased!!
i also was shootin left.. i assume because the velcro is so much thicker..
so i should add a toothpick behing the side plate?? what will that do?? it seems as though that would make it shoot farther to the left??
gaff
You want to use the fluffy fabric part.
The velcro is thicker than the sealskin? I would have guessed it the other way around. If so, don't follow what I said before - that would make it even worse.
Building out the side plate isn't so much about moving the arrow to change the point of impact like you would with a sight. It's about adjusting how the arrow bends around the bow in paradox and actually makes your arrow act stiffer or weaker, depending on which direction you go.
Could it also just be that you were having a bad day? That happens to me a lot, even if I haven't changed a thing! :knothead: And once you get something in your head things sometimes just seem to fall apart. Before making major changes make sure that this is a consistent problem.
i understand whip. it is very much possable that i just had an off day. BUT my arrow flight was BAD. and normally they spin like a dart. and at 15 yds i was shootin 6" left.
gaff
I was using the velcro (ran out of sealskin) a few weeks ago on a new bow and the arrow flight was poor. Off the wood it was fine. I played and played with the nock height but never could get it right. I checked the arrows and the tip of the quill on a few had a little sticker and I think it may have been catching on the velcro. Switched to a kangaroo rest and everything was fine.
There are two sides to Velcro. A smooth fleece side and the ridges side. You want the smooth fleece side. That is what I used. Never had a problem when using the smooth side. Which side did you use?
I think you guys have arrows that are borderline stiff, if shooting them on the wood shelf made it work, or the velcro made it fly left.
Let me guess...you are using carbon arrows and you are on the edge of the higher spine. A well spined arrow will adapt to some difference in material depth/thickness.
i dont think so george... what do you think?
rer cxr 55#@28" i draw 28" gold tip 55/75s
cut to 29" with 100grain inserts and 150 tips for a total of 250 up front.
does that sound ok???
gaff
The sealskin fell off my RER too, shortly after I got it. I replaced it with hair-on calfskin that I bought at Tandy Leather. The RER bowyer must not have discovered Barge Cement yet...
Bottom line is you changed an important part of your setup.When you do that you need to retune your bow.Different thickness on the shelf is no biggie and a slight change in nock height is the fix.When you changed centershot by replaceing the side plate that could mean a completly diffeent spine in arrow,differnt point weight or arrow length or putting the centershot back like it was.It has nothing to do with what kind of arrow you are shooting.It has to do with simple tuneing of the bow. jmho
Gaff....change one thing a time to see what fixes it. Change the side plate....if it gets better without a side plate, then your arrow is not bending properly when the plate is thicker, and that indicates borderline stiffness.
You could also, as James mentioned, try a different nock height, but my guess is that has no bearing on hitting that far to the left.
What I'm saying is a piece of material, even 1/8th inch thicker, shouldn't throw an arrow 6 inches to the left at close distance....there is another issue and it is in the arrow.
I can move my aluminum arrows out an eight of an inch easily and not impact the arrow strike. Your setup is too critical to start with if that bit of plate thickness throws it off that much.
QuoteOriginally posted by nchunter:
The sealskin fell off my RER too, shortly after I got it. I replaced it with hair-on calfskin that I bought at Tandy Leather. The RER bowyer must not have discovered Barge Cement yet...
I'm not a fan of barge cement! I was hunting in some fowl weather and my leather rest just about fell off, went back to camp and reattached it with double sided carpet tape, it been on there ever since! I swear by the carpet tape, its all I use!
George is undoubtedly right about your setup being highly critical, but it seems to me that if it was working well for you, the thing to do is recreate exactly what you had before you start tinkering with anything else. If that solves your problem, great. If not, as George said, start with one thing at a time so you know what ultimately solves your problem.
Jamie, I'm using the same arrows as you, GT 55/75, and the same weight up front. But mine are 30 1/2 to BOP and I'm pulling 57# @ 29". I think mine are plenty stiff - yours would be even stiffer, so you might just be right on the edge like George says. I'm no expert on the correct arrow for every set up - just sharing what I use.
I was thinking the same think as George and Whip,you are on the stiff side and changing plate made it worse.
Jamie, I believe George and Joe are right on the money, with your arrows being "too stiff"....if that tiny bit of extra thickness made that much of a difference, then that is certainly the case.
Are you sure you draw 28"?
You also might have "been having a bad night"....might have started a little off, then you start thinking about not shooting good, or maybe your plate change and things go to pot quick...
I've messed around a lot with shimming out plate areas, and I've found that unless you make major, major thickness changes, it doesn't make much difference at all for me...but that's just me...
I'm new to this but I might try different weight field tips to see if that corrects the spine difference? That would tell me if the side plate thickness was an issue, right?
Agree with all of the above. My RER vortex longbow shoots 400 spined carbon arrows (like the GT 55/75) with 220 grains up front, but the arrows are 30" long and I'm drawing around 60# at just over 29". That coupled with the fact that my release isn't very smooth might mean that your arrows are a little stiff. Easiest solutions have been described.
well, the more i think about it the more i agree with the stiff arrows.. since i cant add length to my arrows, im gonna take the velcro off the side plate and try some adhesive backed felt..
it should be alot thinner than the velcro. i can add more weigh up front as well i guess.
gaff
hey terry!! whatcha think bud!! :knothead:
If you were getting a plucking release the other night, due to work pressure or worrying about the kids or that darned replaced arrow rug.. or whatever, it could make your arrow jump left by that much easily. Are you sure its the arrow / rest causing this ?
Chuck
why dont you just put some more seal skin on
Both of the bows I used to hunt this year had sealskin rests that were worn. I feel the seal hair is not durable enough so I changed both rests to the fluffy side of commercial velcro I bought after hearing about it on this site.
It works great, arrow flight did not change. So far I find that although it is not quite as quiet as sealskin it is quiet enough, with the added benefits of being easy to find, inexpensive, easy to install, durable, and it does not absorb water.
I use velcro, the fuzzy part not the loops. Never had a problem. But I tuned my arrows with it on already. The velcro last forever.
Gilbert
I wouldn't use velcro as a rest! I know people have done it. The fact is velcro is commonly made of nylon. Nylon is surprisingly abrasive. I'd worry about ruining the arrow finish.
QuoteOriginally posted by amicus:
I use velcro, the fuzzy part not the loops. Never had a problem. But I tuned my arrows with it on already. The velcro last forever.
Gilbert
the "fuzzy" part IS the loops. velcro has hooks and loops. the hooks are the rough side, and the loops are the "fuzzy" side.
i used the fuzzy side.
gaff
Gaff, get some more sealskin, or reattach the one that fell off. You had great arrow flight Sunday at Shawns...
One question though, did you use two pieces of velcro-one for the rest and one for the side plate? Or did you just use one long piece? Just thinking that one piece might be snagging the fletch and causing the issue.
I was shooting left all day Sunday and realized it was my old anchor issue popping up again.
Hope it gets fixed soon....
I dunno but I use velcro and have had no problems but I do know if one gets a thought something is wrong it will be.
Quick test may point you in the right direction. Try shooting with the cock feather in. If your flight improves you probably have a problem with the feathers contacting something.
JW
Jamie, You can't add length, but you can easily add more weight...
Every archery shop I've been in has said that the Gold Tip charts are on the stiff side and that people tend to make mistakes when choosing between the 3555 and 5575.
My Dad is shooting a 3555 cut to 30" with a 125g tip and that is by far the best shooting arrow out of his 53# @ 29".
However, if you achieved good flight before, I would go back to what you know shoots good.
Jamie, they sound a bit stiff. You may need 300 up front on those. When ya come next time, shoot my arrows, Heritage 150 cut to 29.5"s with 175 up front. I promise they will fly perfect for ya. The velcro would not make that much of a difference. It is all I use and never have a problem. Shawn
I've used velcro and never noticed a bit of difference in arrow flight, nor did it wear my arrows (wood, aluminum, or carbon). I'm with the "your arrows are too stiff" crowd. I have found that even the 3555 GTs are darn stiff. I had to load the tip heavier than I wanted (total weight was too high). I switched to Beman ICS Bowhunter 500s and have had great luck with them out of my bows from 46 to 53# @ 28". I was amazed at the difference.
I would get some new Sealskin and put that back on the bow. I wouldntthink of changing my setup just because of a simple maintanence isssue. Its easy to run out of stuff, such as shelf material.
Whenever I make an order from 3Rivers or KustomKing or whoever I'm getting stuff from, I try to throw in a extra set of skin, and some string silencers, nock sets etc. Better to have a bunch of 'em sitting in my bow box than to be stuck tryin to make something else work. With a wife and 2 boys that also shoot trad, I'm always fixin something. If I don't keep 3 of everything, I'll be shorthanded before I know it.
After you replace your sealskin, then I would try tinkerin with your arrow setups. But I would not re-inventthe wheel over a piece of velcro that isnt workin for ya.