I will be traveling to Ak in Sept for a moose hunt. This is a do-it yourself flyin hunt.
I am debating on which bow to take:
My longbow which is one piece or my takedown 'curve.
I have travelled around the county with the one piece in a tube with no problems.
I have never been in a bush plane, would a one piece in a tube be a big hassle.
Would love to hear from those of you who have made a trip like this.
Thanks
chris <><
It won't matter in the Super Cub. It will be a pain on the commercial flights if you take the longbow. I like to hide my recurve in my luggage...the less they can see the less trouble you will have!
I do the same as Steve O. I wrap my limbs and riser with bubble wrap and then cover it with a tube sock. Ive seen guys take there flyrods in tubes on the plane with them I wouldn't think a long bow would be much different. I guess you could check with the airlines. m2c.
Gilbert
Agree with Steve O, commercial flight will be the problem. The "bush flight" will be no problem as they'll just strap the bow case to the wing struts if it will not fit inside.
Consult Orion, he may want to weigh in on this one, as him and I have had this discussion many times. I love the breakdown capabilities of a three piece take down recurve (or longbow), however a one piece longbow may not be as much of a hassle as you think for flying in. I have traveled to New Zealand with a one piece Hill and would probably never do that again. Compact and stowed safely away is my preference. Good luck with your decision.
Kris
This is one of the reason Fred Bear designed his TD.I flight every year but I never carry a 1 piece bow with all those airlines restrictions.
I like the TD as well. The airlines baggage handling systems are not designed to handle long tubes. They can stick out of the baggage cart, don't travel down the automatic luggage movers, and are just subject to so much abuse and problems. My partner on a trip to BC last year almost threw up last year when his one piece tube came down the track with the top section dangling. Luckily the bow survived.
The other problem is that now with the extra baggage charges you are probably looking at a minimum of $25 each way for the extra piece of luggage. A T/D just goes into your regular bag.
Fred Bear carried his 3pc bows ON the plane wth him. Fred Bear had a CCW for a pistol in Canada. Onions is no Fred Bear ;) and this is not 1960.
There is NO WAY you are going to take a BOW into the fuselage of a commercial airliner from the lower 48. Yes, people take fishing rods (break down fishing rods) and musical instruments, but I don't know if you can even bring an umbrella in there any more.
Chris, I used to be a Platinum Frequent Flyer and took my bow on many, many, many business and hunting trips. Save yourself the hassle and hunt with your longbow at home, or ship it to your flight service ahead of time. You do NOT want to deal with the customer service/baggage people.
Mailing it would probably be cheaper and you have more room for stuff. That being said I never flew with a bow but I did fly to Alaska with a brand new metal gun case. The airline put a hole through it and my scope was 6 inches off. I'd hate to be 6 inches off with my arrows on a griz!
we were headed on a bear hunt to Canada and met up with Mickey Lotts at the airport going on his hunt. We made it through the check station ahead of him to see his one pc longbow in a pvc tube bent in half by getting caught between a concrete barrier and a pole while on the baggage cart.
Lucky for him it only took off the tip overlay and he was able to superglue back in place.
Take the TD, that's what they are for.
Mike
I've used a PVC pipe to transport my longbows to and from Alaska twice. Never had a problem with commercial airlines. No problem at all in the bush planes. The pilot will make it fit almost anywhere, sans PVC pipe at that point. Though I've never had any trouble traveling with a longbow in a PVC pipe, I will probably use takedowns in the future just because the package is so much smaller ad manageable
If this is not a time for a TD I don't know when it would be :saywhat:
I doubt that your one piece will be in a tube when you hit the bush plane. When ever I flew weight was a problem and the weight of a tube can be taken up with something important that tastes good.
Bowmania
I live work and play in Alaska year round and almost never leave the state. When I do leave it's to see family and hunt! This year I borrowed a 2 piece takedown to hunt whitetails in Michigan and my wife took her three piece. Lack of practice and confidence in that borrowed bow cost me meat, first thing I did when I got home is get a Kodiak TD. Since then I've also discovered the TD is much easier to pack in too back country hunts. My only regret is not getting a good take down years ago.
I don't even know why there is any question here.
I would take a three piece takedown or a short two piece takedown bow for all the reasons stated by others. That's what they were made for.
Allan
We picked up our one piece bows on the return flight from Africa last year. Glad we didn't need them for the hunt.
I vote for the take down. It's easier to pack and a lot easier to deal with.
You could always mail it to a fellow waller ahead of your arrival and hook up in whatever city you flew into. Even in Anchorage the Airport is only 10 minutes away. Food for thought.
I have been fortunate to take several out of state/country hunting trips in my life. In my opinion a take down bow is the only way to go when using commercial airlines. When taking a 3 piece, I pack my limbs in a bow sleeve and handle in a sock placed in the center of my luggage cushioned by clothing. My prefered bow for backpack and horseback hunts is a 2 piece T/D longbow. I do the same putting the halves in a bow sock and placing it in the center of a duffle.
Friend of mine was waiting for his cased bow in the oversize line at the Calgary airport one time. When an employee opened the door to come out he saw another employee throwing some hunters gun case threw the air across the room. I'd rather not trust my one piece bows to the special handling.
Thanks to all for your opinions/experiences.
My real concern was how my one piece would fit in a bush plane. Sounds like it will not be any real trouble.
I have done a number of flights with my one piece in large tube, which contains my quiver, arrows and even hunting clothes. Never a problem, other then, it's a little cumbersome carrying it into the airport.
I have also travelled with my T/D a few times, and the last time it was damaged pretty bad (a large chip off the shelf)!
I guess it proves you never know with baggage handlers.
I think the best advice in this thread is to ship the bow out a month or so ahead.
Thanks again.
Also, Steve O is right I am not Fred Bear......I am right handed (LOL)!!!
chris <><
Chris,
If they can damage my stuff like this, they have really done their job...
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IF you can get it there, the Bush Pilot will find a spot inside the Super Cub. He could always bungee it to a wing strut too. :D
a one piece will work fine, they can strap the bow to the wing struts if you need too in the pvc tube. They do this all the time with guns and racks.
Depending on what you fly in a 1 piece will work just fine. I prefer a takedown, makes the pack out easier, less things to worry about if you bust your tail ;) . Plus it gives you both hands when packing heavy loads.
The only thing I would add is this:
You're going on a special trip and you'll plan long and hard to get things right. You want 100% of your gear to make it in with you intact...not lost or broken. Don't rationalize that "this will work ok". Be as sure as you possibly can, and take as few chances as necessary. Remember that Murphy travels with you everywhere...and things are just tougher in Alaska. Have a blast!
Kevin
Thanks again everyone!
Steve O, I like the looks of your setup. What kind of bag and case is that?
Thanks
chris <><
I've flown with one piece longbows to Alaska and the Canadian Provinces without a problem. Of coarse that was before 9-11,... things are different now. Also I always took two bows in case something happened to one of them.
Ron, there is no change since 9-11 on bows. But it's not like not so many years ago when I carried a bob lee takedown as carry on, with broadhead arrows in the case LOL!
onion, I dont know where you're flying into, but if you need someone to ship gear too, I have plenty of extra space in the geeerage.
Ron, I'd recommend you consider mailing a backup. That way you can do the one piece or takedown. With excess baggage charges what they are, you're probably money ahead with the mailing.
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There are a few of us here, like AKDAN noted.
Chris,
That is a Boyt drop bottom roller bag and a custom Americase aluminum hard case.
Lots of places like Cabelas have drop bottom rolling bags and you just have to look around for a take down shoutgun hard case to fit in the bottom. That combo probably has a half a million miles on it and is nearing the end of its useful life.
In the past 5 years, I alternate between this combo and a hard rolling golf bag. Don't have to break my rifles down that way and you can fit quite a bit in there and not have any questions asked.
If you shoot both equally as well then t/d for sure. If not then by all means take the one peice. If I was going on a trip like that and there was more than one hunter I would consider bringing both just for the extra insurance. Hiking in Ak can be rough and I suppose a spare stickbow wouldn't be to a bad idea.- Steve
Chris,
"I think the best advice in this thread is to ship the bow out a month or so ahead." Onions
I would prefer to show up with my bow in hand, so to speak, or at least with all my other gear. Even shipping has its glitches. I agree with most of the other responses, a TD is hard to beat. Better yet take two TD's, or two sets of limbs.
Best of Luck
Kris
I flew to CO a couple years ago, and because of the length the airline was gonna charge me an arm and a leg, so I opted to ship it to the outfitters a week or so before my flight.
When I got into camp, he had it waiting for me.
The only down side to this is not being able to practice with it right up until I left. Soon as I got into camp, spend some time shooting, and then off to chase elk.
I do not trust baggage handlers. Too many horror stories, and if I get to camp and find I don't have a bow, its just a sightseeing trip.
I would look into shipping it. Perhaps take your takedown RC along with you, and that way you have a backup bow.
Steve- We always had to declare our bows and sign a paper saying they were unloaded (similar to firearms). Do you declare your bow in the checked baggage when you travel?
Hb,
no. I just went home last fall and I've never had to declare a bow. Sounds like someone doesnt know what a bow is LOL!
Kris,
You could easily ship it out a few days to a week in advance and it would arrive here before you left, obviously depending on how you go about shipping. Boy never thought I was the mischeivous type (untrustworthy) being I basically offered up my place to a complete stranger..hmm how many bows guns mounts and gear do I own shew.
Ak Dan, Ditto I picked up on that too being cause I opened the door for an offer to bring it to the airport. Just shrugged it off as someone who has no trust in people. I feel sorry for him. It's kind of like all those who won't ship to Alaska. They just don't know that we are part of the U.S. too.!
AkDan...thanks for the offer. However, one of my hunting buddies, brother lives in Anchorage. We plan on shipping our stuff to his place.
My thoughts were to ship the bow out one month before we go. This way I am sure it will be there by the time we arrive. In the meantime, I will shoot the my longbows twin sister!
Thanks again to everyone!!
chris <><
np onion...hope your hunt goes great and post plenty o pics! We love seeing them!
Here' an example that stuff actually comes to AK. Thurs pm friend mailed my dog shock collar from Hilger, MT. See if you can find it.
The collar got here today (monday). You sure don't need a month in advance.
You do not need to declare a bow and arrow. You MUST declare a firearm. Bows are the same as golf clubs, fishing poles, skis, ect. to the airlines. The tag/form that gets signed is for firearms only.
If anybody asks, I tell them, but they hardly ever ask.