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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Lenny Stankowitz on December 31, 2009, 09:47:00 AM
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I'm just curious how many tradgangers are shooting ILF bows. Seems as though they are becoming more and more popular every day.
This is not a pro or con thread and brand isn't important, just wanted to know how many people are using them.
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Morrison ILF, 62" 62#@30"
Not always my favorite bow as it's physically heavier than I like, but certainly in the top 3.
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I will soon. I just picked up a DAS Dalaa riser, now I am looking for some limbs. Leaning towards Trad Tech Black Max carbon limbs.
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I got my girlfriend a Morrison ILF. She loves it. I got two sets of limbs from other tradgangers. I really like it she has to take it away from me sometimes.
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I have a couple of Morrisons, a 14 Mini and a 16 Phenolic and a couple Trad Techs, a 15 Blsack Onyx and a 17 metal Titan. All are great shooting bows. The big advantage to ILF is that all 4 of these risers can shoot the same set of limbs. That being said, I also have a number of regular bows...too much fun!!! :wavey:
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I have one ILF bow. (TAC Blacksheep) I don't hunt with it, but it will chew out the middle of a target, if I do my part. They are very versitile bows!
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One of my "go to" bows is a Morrison ILF
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Morrision 56inch 14inch riser
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Sold my DAS Master.
All the neat adjustable features that I bought it for and thought I would like, I didn't.
The Winex limbs were very, very nice.
I am going to try an ILF bow again, but with a more standard riser. Maybe a Morrison, also been looking at the new TradTech 15" Recon ILF riser at Lancaster.
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee234/tradlee/recon1.jpg)
Peter Ward has a very nice WARF type conversion that he shows you how to do step my step at his web site. You can build your own ILF riser for under $100. I was talking to him Tue. and he is very happy with this conversion and a set of $150 Samick ILF limbs. Its worth checking out.
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I shoot a DAS master and love it. I don't touch my other bows anymore.
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i have a TT pinnacle 2 and longbow limbs its fun that recon is a eye catcher
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I have several risers and different limbs. The combinations are endless and great shooters.
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My wife and I both have been shooting DAS bows since they first came on the scene.
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I shoot a Carp Vader by Jim Belcher that is ILF compliant but I make absolutely no adjustments to it. It is a rock solid, bombproof bow, that shoots great and it looks cool too.
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Here's a photo of my Morrison ILF.
(http://brothersofthebow.com/vista1web.jpg)
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Is the DAS connection really an ILF? I'm not bashing the bow or the brand (don't get upset b/c I asked a question). I don't think you can take DAS limbs and put them on an ILF riser or vice versa UNLESS some modifications are done.
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BMG,
The limbs are identical. Just different bushings. Press one set out and the others in. . your good too go. Takes about 30 sec.
Mike
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David didnt make limbs to the best of my knowledge, so all original DAS are sporting some type of ILF limb. The Dalaa I don't know about. My DAS has Winex limbs.
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Same as Bill, I have a DAS Elite and DAS Daala. I also have a 16" Morrison ILF.
These are pretty much the only bows I hunt with, don't want to dirty up any of my pretty wood bows in the field.
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Yep...I have a Morrison and it's an amazing little bow.
Claudia
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I've been shooting a LH DAS Master with TT longbow limbs this season. I just put a set of recurve limbs on it and have been liking the speed and short length.
It shoots real well. Fast and stable.
I've always shot bows I made myself, and I'm going to be going back to them now that my curiosity has been satisfied. If any lefties are interested, keep an eye on the classifieds.
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Love my Dalaa 17" recurve and have a Sky 17" ilf, longbow on the way.cheers Pete.
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I have a TT Titan with Black Max limbs. Great bow.
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SL
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What exactly is ILF? Are Quinn limbs ILF? Thanks.
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I have a few, Trad Tech Titan, PinnacleII and a Black Onyx, and a couple Hoyt TD3's that I converted to ILF.
The combinations that are available to have with a couple risers and limbs is endless.
Good limbs can be found for little money like the TT black max Wood Glass that shoot very nice, up to the TT BF Extreem at $600,or top end Hoyt, Border or Win and Win or a custom limb like Bob Morrison makes.
Being able to have several diferent length risers and a single set of limbs can make a lot of diferent bow combinations in draw length and weights.Add more limbs and the possiiliyt's are endless.
Interchanging limbs and risers is great.
Gene:
Thanks for the comments ,
Those Black Onyx risers and the Black Max Glass limbs make a sweet little bow.
Pete
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Hey Pete
Its always a pleasure chatting with ya.
Thanks for all the tips on the ACS.
Keep warm up there. ;)
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Yep....DAS bows are ILF with the above stated 30 second bushing change. The DAS bow grew out of the WARF which uses ILF limbs. The term ILF refers to the manner in which the FITA target limbs are attached to the riser. DAS made a modification to eliminate alignment problems but the limbs are otherwise ILF limbs and are adjusted the same. The use of ILF limbs on hunting bows done the way that Dave Soza upgraded the idea using an engineered.machined short hunting riser really raised the bar on bow performance and it is nice to see that after 5 years or so of people complaining that they were not traditional that they are now not only accepted but sought after with a few American companies taking the concept seriously. I doubt that I will ever shoot a different bow/riser. Limbs, on the other hand, will be "played with" as time goes on, I get older, limbs become more efficient, etc.
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I have a Pinnacle II with TT longbow limbs and three Titans risersd with five sets of limbs. My son shoots an Onyx with Black Max limbs.
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I have a W&W Winact with Hoyt vector limbs and I have a Proline thats been Warfed with Greenhorn limbs.Both are great shooting bows. I also love shooting my other bows. It's all good. :thumbsup:
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Wow, the ILF concept sure has come a long way in the last couple years. (hunting bows that is...)
Interesting to see all the different combos.
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Me too--I'm hooked. My current hunting bow is a TradTech Black Onyx. I also have an 18" Morrison, a 17" Haddox, and a 23" Hoyt Avalon Plus.
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:wavey: Me too, a couple of Warfs.
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We have thrown our hat into the ILF ring also. We are offering our ILF longbow limbs starting on Monday and will have a wood 15" riser ready in a couple of months.
Mike
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Originally posted by Jim Casto Jr:
Me too--I'm hooked. My current hunting bow is a TradTech Black Onyx. I also have an 18" Morrison, a 17" Haddox, and a 23" Hoyt Avalon Plus.
What is a "Haddox" Jim, I don't think I have ever heard of that?
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Originally posted by BMG:
Is the DAS connection really an ILF? I'm not bashing the bow or the brand (don't get upset b/c I asked a question). I don't think you can take DAS limbs and put them on an ILF riser or vice versa UNLESS some modifications are done.
That's kind of what I was thinking Brian. I was always kind of confused by that. It was my understanding that Mr. Sosa actually eliminated the ILF system on his 17" riser because he thought the system was flawed for that particular application.
There really isn't any such thing as an ILF limb, it's really just a limb with an ILF fitting. If you remove the ILF fitting, doesn't it just become another 3pc takedown design?
Not that it matters that much really, just a little confusing.
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He's a local guy with a CNC machine in his shop. He took a TAC riser and a Titan riser, took some measurments, and married what he thought was the best of the two and made a couple prototypes. I got #2-it's a great riser. I had him make it so a DAS poly grip would fit it.
He's since changed things a bit to give it a "better" look. He sells them for $200.00 each. You put on your Hoyt grip and finish it however you like. I just painted mine. I'm thinking of getting another one and have Lonnie film-dip it.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/jamescastojr/Haddox.jpg)
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SKY Archery TDX 17" riser GReat bow!!! (http://i316.photobucket.com/albums/mm337/smonte_2008/IMG_0217.jpg)
Shawn...
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Wow, that's cool Jim. It looks like a Titan from the shelf up, a TAC from the shelf down, along with the limb pockets of the TAC.
The Haddox "TI-TAC"
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I am an ILF shooter. I am very fortunate to have a pair of the Dryad prototype longbow limbs. these are 43# got a 50# pair of productions limbs ordered.
(http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww66/rustycraine/dryaddalla.jpg)
(http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww66/rustycraine/dryadpig1.jpg)
By far the best $$$ for prefromace ILF longbow limbs available today. these are shorts. 43# on a 17" Dalaa gives a 61" bow. 58" inch string gives 7.5" BH. bamboo core clear glass. delightful to shoot
(http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww66/rustycraine/dryadilflb.jpg)
rusty
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No laughing :) .....ah why do you shoot ILF ya might ask???? and rightly so.
Adaptibility says I. If you want to go to the lake and hunt hogs ya gonna have your waders on anyways. we'll be hunting the pigs at dusk and in the dark. you might as well have sumping to do during the day......how about hunting big ole carp?
if ya find the big boar hanging around, ya can pull your 50# 25H 66" out and put them on your 17" dalaa. at 28" they would give you a 60# draw and a 58" bow if ya wanted to hunt the pig tunnels.
ya could take along your 32# 25H longs then Sunday ya could drive over to Wearthford and give the boys on the 3D range a try.
Adaptibility!
(http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww66/rustycraine/tejasdalaa3.jpg)
ya got your hawglite, SRF sight, Saunder fishing reel and of course a set of traget limbs along on the trip?????? what elese could ya ask for> :)
rusty
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That sure is what it's all about Trashwood, adaptability...you pretty much have it all covered.
Pretty cool looking setup you have there.
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Me too, DAS Master Gen II Winex limbs.
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Titan with BF extremes
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y275/420W/100_0499.jpg)
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my black titan w/ hoyt g3 limbs is an awesome bow. i love mine. smooth as can be.
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Those Hoyt G3's are my favorite limbs--so far.
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Jim,do you have a contact # for the haddox riser? Thanks.
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Mr. Castro? thanks
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i usually and will continue to shoot straight limb longbows with wood arrows [ my Belcher Union Jack arrived yesterday / pics coming ] but ...
i do love my ILF rigs and the adaptability they bring to archery . my 21" Hoyt Excel riser with trad tech limbs surely makes a great bargain and i'm waiting to buy either another Titan [ wish i'd never sold it ] or perhaps a Sky /Belcher 17" . i must say that i always prefer the longer sight window of the longer bows ...
ben
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I'm shooting the Tradtech Black Onyx riser with their wood/glass longbow limbs.
So far it is a fun bow to shoot.
Brett
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I have to plead ignorant because I don't know what an ILF bow is. Please enlighten me. Thanks in advance!
God bless,Mudd
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I.L.F. is the acronym for International Limb Fitting. It referrers to the limb fitting (a dovetail) used with FITA and Olympic-type risers (with a dovetail slot) for a worldwide standard. Limbs from various manufacturers will fit the risers of others and vise versa. ILF limbs are available from many manufacturers in a myriad of qualities and price ranges. You simply pop them in and out.
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Thanks Jim! I guess I've never seen one.
Maybe in pictures but just never registered as to what I was actually looking at.
Thanks again.
God bless,Mudd
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Most of the alloy ILF risers I have seen have a fairly flat arrow shelf. How do you shoot off the shelf with them? A feather rest maybe?
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ILF is a good thing IMO. Anybody know anything about these Win & Win risers?
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Originally posted by Greg Owen:
Most of the alloy ILF risers I have seen have a fairly flat arrow shelf. How do you shoot off the shelf with them? A feather rest maybe?
Back in the 60's and 70's a lot of bows were made with a big flat shelf. Those of us who wanted to shoot off of them would put a match stick under the leather. Most didn't, but it didn't seem to make any difference. Nothing wrong with shooting off a flat shelf.
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I visited with Earl Hoyt, back in the mid 1960's, just before he came out with his Hoyt Pro Medalist. The Hunter had 16" riser and the target had two handles. The limbs had the slot and were interchangeable. I believe Earl was the first, or so to come out with this design. The slot fit into the socket where the TFC's screwed into the riser for the upper and lower limb. I think Yamaha followed with a bow of similar design. Great bows.
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Yep Earl was the father for ILF and not just a few years ago. It has been primarily a target bow thing until a few years ago.
I didn't really care much about the ILF system 6 months ago. But saw it on some bows at shows this summer and then Rusty started showing up with a bunch of them. Finally, my brain kicked my butt and we both said WOW, you can find a riser that is everything you want and then go find limbs that do what you want and put them together.
Get the best of both.
We've been working to throw our hat in the ring and started with ILF longbow limbs yesterday. Watch for recurve limbs and a 15" wood hunting riser in the near future.
Mike
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Wingnut: Exactly right and you are thinking "in the right direction". Next you will be doing foam cores, right?
As for the ILF limb definition. Whether you use the traditional ILF or the newer DAS fitting there is still a big difference in ILF limbs and regular bolt down limbs found on most bows. The limb butt of the ILF limb is not flat, it has a rounded oblong base which allows you to adjust the tiller, weight and preload of the bow. The ILF fitting is just a way to attach it to the bow. The real beauty of the ILF limb is this feature, IMO. In addition, if you get into the high end limbs, like the Winex, they are engineered for target archers. At the end of the draw the bow weight actually decreases in the percentage of weight for the last one or two inches. Most international target archers use a draw thru clicker on their bows. They draw to almost full draw then line up their sights. As they are doing this they are still slowly drawing their bow. The engineered limbs only increase in weight about 1# per inch of draw rather than 3 or 4#'s. The ILF shooters are trained to release at the sound of the clicker which in effect means that on each shot they are shooting exactly the same draw weight. This makes drawing thru the clicker much easier and is one reason why high end limbs are so smooth. Even when they are put on shorter hunting risers they maintain this feature. I have noticed on my DAS that at those rare moments when my form is imperfect and I underdraw, my trajectory is not affected in any way that I can perceive.
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"Wingnut: Exactly right and you are thinking "in the right direction". Next you will be doing foam cores, right?"
Nope no foam core for us. We are more the bamboo kinda guys.
But the rocker base on the limbs gives them adjustablility and they will shoot great.
Mike
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(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll179/crabman1957/ILF1002.jpg)
15" Sapphire ILF with TT BF Extremes
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Originally posted by GRINCH:
Morrision 56inch 14inch riser
Me too. Great little bow. I have the foam/carbon longbow limbs.
Allan
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Morrison ILF 18in riser 62in recurve.
I love the way it shoots and the way the limbs pop out sure is simple.
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I'm wondering if this "ole dog" might aught to try and learn a new trick by figuring out where and how to get my hands on one to try it out.
They sound like something that might be fun to play with if for no other reason but to see how many different bow shooting "feels" you can make out of it. The possibilities seem... not endless but interesting.
God bless,Mudd
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Mudd,
It's really cool! How many times over the years have you liked a grip but not the bow. Or loved the limbs but the grip didn't fit right. Or dang it the bow was 62" and you really would like a 60".
This setup allows you to get the riser you want in the length you want from one bowyer and then pick limbs from an almost endless list of candidates from $100 to $800.
Mike
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Wingnut, If I could find one for a $100 with a couple of months of saving and maybe selling off something I'd be able to get to try one.I haven't seen any yet that are close to that price unfortunately.
Maybe someone will come to the UMB next month with one that I can actually "lay hands on". I'll make sure to look for one as soon as I get there and not wait until I've tried out 20 or so different bows ahead of it, thus being worn out without the ability to give it full consideration.
God bless,Mudd
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Im in the minority here,I had one and didn't care much for it as a hunting bow.
If I shot more 3d type shoots then maybe I would have kept it.
But I can see the advantage why alot of people like to shoot them.
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Mudd,
I would think someone will have them. It's the limbs you can get cheap. Risers tend to be more if you want short for hunting.
There are older risers that are longer for sale all the time.
Mike
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If I understand this correctly one could effectively have a longbow(s) for all situations from just plain fun shooting to serious large game hunting. One bow, different limbs? As much variety as ones pocket book will allow? Different weights, different lengths of limbs, different tiller? all center shot or past center?
How cool is this? Way!! It's more than I can wrap my feeble mind around.
Set my path straight.
God bless,Mudd
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I have three Morrison risers, 16, 18 and 20 (I picked up a couple relatively cheap). I like the fact that they can be adjusted, and their made out of wood, and set up for shooting off the shelf. No buttons, magnetic rest or stabilizers. The 16 I have is very light and a good riser for hunting, the other two are heavier and better for target, although their not heavier than a lot of other brand 3 piece takedowns with long risers.
The Morrison limbs are fantastic, but I haven't had a chance to try any others yet.
The ILF system is definitely an interesting system. I still have other bows and shoot them a lot as well, but the ILFs have been getting a lot of my attention.