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Title: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: Browning on December 31, 2009, 01:29:00 AM
I am trying to figure out where I can ask certain question on here so if this isn't the right place let me know.
This question is about arrow weight. I was told if your draw weight is 40# your arrow should be at least 400gr. 45# = 450gr. Is this right?
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: legends1 on December 31, 2009, 01:56:00 AM
Yes,most will agree.Although arrow matched to shoot very well from bow is most important.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: unregistered on December 31, 2009, 01:57:00 AM
Many answers to that question, all a matter of personal preferance. But most on here would agree that 10gr per # is a good starting point.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: unregistered on December 31, 2009, 01:58:00 AM
Whoops, a little slow on that post.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: longbow55 on December 31, 2009, 01:59:00 AM
10 gr per inch is a good start. I shoot around 11 gr. per inch. I would still bare shaft or paper tune my arrows. Most trad bow recommend 9-11 grains per inch of arrow.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: Shaun on December 31, 2009, 08:09:00 AM
Jerry, there is no "right" in this topic. Target shooters often like arrows with lower weight, hunters often like heavier arrows. Some bow makers recommend shooting an arrow of at least X grains per pound of draw to avoid damaging the bow. Experiment around and shoot what seems right to you. I like to shoot arrows from 10-15 grains per pound for hunting and stick to that for 3-D to keep in hunting practice.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: Rufus 25 on December 31, 2009, 08:11:00 AM
Browning, Don't be afraid to ask questions on Trad Gang. There are alot of wonderful folks more than willing to help answer questions or help solve problems.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: John3 on December 31, 2009, 08:16:00 AM
8 grain per pound is probably enough so that you would not hurt the bow.
Remember heavier arrows make the bow really quiet and hit hard in any animal. I was told years ago to think of this like the difference in throwing both a golf ball and ping pong ball into a snow bank.. Which will penetrate most?

John III
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: Whip on December 31, 2009, 08:19:00 AM
See, that wasn't so hard!   ;)  
Ask questions and have them answered - that's what makes this such a great place.  Plenty of knowledgeable people here and you will find an answer to just about anything you can think of.
 :campfire:
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: Charlie Lamb on December 31, 2009, 08:19:00 AM
The advice you got is sound. However, it should be considered a rule of thumb and not written in stone.

Most arrows when properly spined for your bow will fall into acceptable limits of weight.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: 2treks on December 31, 2009, 08:34:00 AM
Like Rufus said, don't be afraid to ask. If it is the wrong forum someone will help you get it to the right lace to get the best answers.
I would like to point out that as a general "rule of thumb" a 10gn per pound or bow weight is a good start. Most carbon arrows are listed as per INCH of arrow(as longbow55 mentioned his arrows are per inch). I tend to stick with the PER POUND formula as do most trad shooters. And that is when the 10gn/# comes from. BUT, as Others have said, work up an arrow that works great and you will be having fun. I shoot around 60#@30" and will have some carbons that weigh in at 475gn. that is about 8gn/# and with my arrow cut at 31" OR 32"(sometimes i will not cut them) that is about 14-15gn/INCH.  My hunting arrows are 31" long and weigh 750+gn. That is 24gn/INCH but only 12.5gn/#  Just try not to let people like me confuse you and work up your arrow to fly well. As a rule for hunting 10gn/# is a good start, as stated several times already. Good luck
Chuck
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: Browning on December 31, 2009, 09:52:00 AM
Thanks everyone for the info. I found these Beeman carbon shafts at Bass Pro ( 9 for $30.00 ) so I grabbed them. Cut them the length I needed used 4" feathers and a 100 gr. tip they weigh 475.5 gr. They all seem to fly very well. I haven't tried shooting them with a broad head yet. Thinking about trying my 100 gr. Muzzy's. The reason for asking this question the bow I shoot now is 40# and the one I'm getting ready to set up is 49#. I was going to try using the same arrow's.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: BadKarma on December 31, 2009, 09:59:00 AM
Browning, where in Missouri are you? I'm from the Branson area.

If you decide to use the BH's you like but need a bit more weight, you can get some "All Thread", which is a bit of rod that is threaded the whole length and cut what you need and screw in the other end of your insert until you get the weight you need. I know trying to describe this without pics is difficult. But if you need clarification we can figure something out.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: Browning on December 31, 2009, 10:11:00 AM
BadKarma, I am about 1 hour west of you. I live close to Cassville. With my job I come to Branson about once a month. I won't be back to work till February. Can you find all thread small enough to go in the shaft of the Beeman arrow? It's pretty small. I am also looking at trying some Gold Tips.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: BadKarma on December 31, 2009, 10:16:00 AM
If you check at Lowes or Home Despot, they should have it.

I have no experience with Beemans, but Gold Tips are very popular. I shoot Blackhawk CarbonWoods and am thinking about trying the Easton Trad Only carbons.

Cassville huh? I go to Roaring River once or twice a year to tangle with those monster trout.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: Browning on December 31, 2009, 10:20:00 AM
Man I was looking at profiles and there are allot of Missouri people on here. How cool is that?
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: BadKarma on December 31, 2009, 10:24:00 AM
And a lot of Arkansas, Kansas and Oklahoma nuts too.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: Browning on December 31, 2009, 10:24:00 AM
Lee you can have that place. I'm not much into the trout seen. Give me a river bank and some rolling carp to stick. But there are allot of deer around that park.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: BadKarma on December 31, 2009, 10:27:00 AM
That there is. I've been a flyfisherman since I was 6. If you like the carp stickin, you might try Bull Shoals over here by Forsyth, MO. Lotsa carp and gar when the waters right.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: Browning on December 31, 2009, 10:32:00 AM
I go through Forsyth on my way to Gainsville. I guess I will have to keep my bow in the truck when I'm working.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: BadKarma on December 31, 2009, 10:34:00 AM
If you take 76 to Ava, you drive right by my place!!!!
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: Browning on December 31, 2009, 10:38:00 AM
I go to Ava too. I cover 17 counties in southwest Missouri. I wear out pick ups faster than I wear out socks. I also go into Arkansas and Oklahoma.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: BadKarma on December 31, 2009, 11:07:00 AM
That's a LOT of windshield time bro.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: Browning on December 31, 2009, 11:29:00 AM
Been doing it for 17 years. That's not the half of it. I coach my daughters traveling softball team which is based out of Joplin. We go over there three times a week for practice and in the spring and summer her tournaments are in Tulsa,Broken Arrow,OK City,Kansas City, St. Louis, Columbia, Jeff City, Springfield. You name it we are there. I think Nationals are in Texas this year. Sometimes I feel like I live in my truck. So I don't get a whole lot of shooting time. She is only 14 and in the 8th grade so we still have 8 more years of softball that is if she gets to play college ball. But the nice  thing is I can retire in 8 years and my family will have to go to the woods to find me then.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: George D. Stout on December 31, 2009, 11:34:00 AM
Back to the original question, Charlie Lamb said it pretty well.  Go back and read his post....it is right on.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: BadKarma on December 31, 2009, 11:42:00 AM
WOW that's a schedule.

But George is right. If it comes from Charlie, you can pretty much carve it in stone.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: frassettor on December 31, 2009, 11:42:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Charlie Lamb:
The advice you got is sound. However, it should be considered a rule of thumb and not written in stone.

Most arrows when properly spined for your bow will fall into acceptable limits of weight.
Yep...You can go to a stiffer spined arrow, and beef up the front end weight if you want a  more heavier arrow.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: Browning on December 31, 2009, 12:07:00 PM
Thanks for all the info. This is the best web site I have ever found. I will keep playing with it and see what both bows like the best. That's what makes this sport fun building your own stuff.

frassettor I wish I had one of those Black Widow bows. I only live an hour from there and go in there and shoot some of their demo bows. They are sooooooooo smooooooooth.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: BadKarma on December 31, 2009, 12:17:00 PM
I'm not allowed in there without a towel anymore!!!!
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: ChuckC on December 31, 2009, 12:25:00 PM
Only "half" scared.  We gotta work on you.
ChuckC  :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: Browning on December 31, 2009, 03:33:00 PM
Well I got to reading the do's and don't and don't know where to post. But you guys seem great and I'm sure you will tell me where to go. LOL
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: 30coupe on December 31, 2009, 04:23:00 PM
I don't mean to throw a wrench in here, but you mentioned Muzzy broadheads. I just wondered which one? The Phantoms are cut on contact, and should work fine with either of your bows if the arrows are tuned well. However, with lighter draw weight bows, I'd kind of avoid anything else. With the 40# bow, I'd recommend a two blade, cut-on-contact head to insure adequate penetration.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: Mike Most on December 31, 2009, 09:18:00 PM
One thing I like to mention in a conversation about arrow weight, is also the hand shock in the bow or lack of same as the arrow weight increases.

I was quite surprised the first time I shot a 550 grain woodie, after having shot aluminum arrows forever.

I am sure there is a workable balance in there somewhere.

Good Luck

MM
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: joe ashton on December 31, 2009, 09:39:00 PM
ask away any Q you want.... Really it's ok...
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: Browning on January 01, 2010, 02:33:00 AM
Allot of info. Looks like I have some playing to do.
Title: Re: Newbie half scared to ask
Post by: far rider on January 01, 2010, 03:44:00 AM
The great thing about this site is; you can ask a question and there aren't a bunch of cyber bullies waiting to pounce on you, like they were born knowing all the answers! Just good guys willing to help.  :campfire: