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Title: grains per lb?
Post by: bowmaster12 on December 22, 2009, 08:09:00 PM
how many grains per pound do you tradgangers like to shoot
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Post by: Jason R. Wesbrock on December 22, 2009, 08:13:00 PM
For most applications I use around 9 gpp.
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Post by: Squint on December 22, 2009, 08:16:00 PM
50# bow,500grain arrow,10grains per pound.
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Post by: Horne Shooter on December 22, 2009, 08:24:00 PM
I like 12 gpp. give or take... Makes for a quiet and efficient bow and I don't seem to take many shots at distances where the lighter arrow (and flatter trajectory) will make much difference.
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Post by: ArrowAtomik on December 22, 2009, 08:26:00 PM
Lucky number 13.
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Post by: TOEJAMMER on December 22, 2009, 08:28:00 PM
65 pound bow at my draw and 630 grain arrow.
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Post by: bowmaster12 on December 22, 2009, 08:39:00 PM
how are you guys getting these kind of wieghts? im shooting a 28 inch arrow cx heritage 150 with a 125 grain tip probably will be moving to a 25o shaft with me new bow but still roughly will be arond 450 at 55lbs is this too light my set up now is around 420 grains it shoots well but alittle loud im thinking i would like to be at atleast 10 grains per lb but dont want to overload the front end wieght any advice would be appreciated thanx gang
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Post by: Horne Shooter on December 22, 2009, 08:46:00 PM
Bowmaster.  My set up is with a 31" CE 250 arrow.  I shoot crested 5 inch feathers with 300 grains up front. (50 grain brass insert, 75 grain steel adapter and a 175 Wapati Abowyer head).  Adds up to about 675 grains total arrow weight.  They fly really nice.
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Post by: Prairie Drifter on December 22, 2009, 08:51:00 PM
I like a minimum of 11- 12grs per pound. I shoot sub 50lb bows and like a minimum of a 500gr arrow. I shoot wood, but I have a .500spine carbon set up w/ 270grs up front that shoot great out of my 47# recurve and weigh in at about 525grs.
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Post by: Got2strum on December 22, 2009, 08:53:00 PM
If you meant that your new bow will be 55# and you are going with heritage 250's I don't think you will have any problem getting 10gr. per pound. I believe the shafts are 11gr. per inch at 28" = 308. I'd throw in a 100gr. insert = 408. And I'm sure you'll need at least 125gr. head with that set-up ? So there you are already at 533gr. At 55# your around 9.70 already. I would guess though that you would need more than 125gr. for a tip to get good flight.
Course I was wrong that one other time ?   :D
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Post by: dino on December 22, 2009, 09:28:00 PM
I like 9 to 10 but depends on what you are hunting.  Don't think you need much more for whitetails.  dino
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Post by: Warden609 on December 22, 2009, 09:29:00 PM
I like 10 grains per pound or a little heavier. Seems to work well for what I do.
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Post by: Big Bird on December 22, 2009, 09:42:00 PM
I'am shooting 450gr arrow at 50lbs = 9 gpp
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Post by: Jim Wright on December 22, 2009, 09:49:00 PM
My Toelke Whips and D bows shoot 11 1/2-12 grs. per pound great. I shoot Beman MFX 500's through the Whips and I currently "load up" the front end with 325 grs. for 640 grs. total but have shot 80 to 90 grs. less up front with weight tubes. With the D bows, I get heavier Douglas Firs from Surewood Shafts spined heavy enough for 160/190 grain points and easily get the grs. per pound ratios mentioned earlier. The bows are dead in the hand, super quiet, arrows fly great, nothing not to like for me.
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Post by: Jesse Minish on December 22, 2009, 09:49:00 PM
I am happy if I am in between 9-12 gpp
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Post by: James Wrenn on December 22, 2009, 10:06:00 PM
I usually wind up in the 9 to 11 range because I shoot lighter weight bows.If I shot more weight I might not shoot as heavy of arrow however.I don't hunt anything that will ever need an arrow over 500gns no matter the bow weight I might be shooting.Well maybe the carp.  ;)
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Post by: Bruce Martin on December 22, 2009, 10:17:00 PM
At least 10 gpp along with enhanced FOC; I believe it makes a real noticeable difference in penetration. In the past I did not pay that much attention to it and just concentrated on getting decent bare shaft arrow flight (still important) but a heavy arrow in the context of bow holding weight does make a positive difference on penetration. I learned it the hard way this year on a nice 8 point that I hit in the shoulder and only got 1 lung and maybe part of the other. At any rate I never found the deer, which caused me to reexamine my setup.
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Post by: 30coupe on December 22, 2009, 10:25:00 PM
I like to stay in the 9 to 11 range too. I break the 500 grain mark, but not by much with my current set-up. It is ll.09 gpp.

46# Kanati, 510 grain arrow (Beman ICS Bowhunter 500, 100 grain steel adapter, 135 grain Zwickey Delta, 3 x 5" shield cut feathers). FOC is 24.6%.

I get great arrow flight, good trajectory, and shoot through whitetails with this outfit.
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Post by: Curveman on December 22, 2009, 10:27:00 PM
I think I'm 8.77 but I'm reluctant to mess with it. Works so far on deer,bear,hogs.....
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Post by: Mike Most on December 22, 2009, 10:30:00 PM
I am shooting wood, which averages 500-525 gns from a 53# longbow. 125 gn zwickeys up front.
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Post by: Pinelander on December 22, 2009, 10:37:00 PM
I've pretty much settled into 425-450 gr. carbons (175-200 gr. heads) out of 40-45# bows.... they go through deer easy enough.
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Post by: ozy clint on December 22, 2009, 10:39:00 PM
for me it's 54# 610gr & 69# 780gr, 890gr for my water buffulo arrows. that's about 11.3gr/#.
12.9gr/# for the buff arrow. penetration is gooooood!!!
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Post by: Stykbow62 on December 23, 2009, 12:05:00 AM
Slightly over 10 gpp.
580 grain and 56 lb.
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Post by: B M A on December 23, 2009, 12:11:00 AM
I like 10gns. on the low end.  The arrows for my  63# bow I hunted with this year were 753 gns. 350 of that up front.  
Still get plenty of speed with this set up at 172 fps.
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Post by: Zradix on December 23, 2009, 12:13:00 AM
Am at about 13.5grn/lb. 688grain total arrow holding 51 lbs. I shoot ash arrows with a 175grn Abowyer brown bear with an xtra 15grn lead melted into it. The heavy arrow has quite an arc to it, but I just got used to it. I'd hate to have to recalibrate my head now. I went heavy to get a really quiet setup and I don't have the extra worry about whether or not my setup will penetrate.
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Post by: SteveB on December 23, 2009, 07:41:00 AM
8 to 9 out of a 53# DAS.
Quiet, quick, I too have no worries about penetration.
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Post by: sou-pawbowhunter on December 23, 2009, 08:16:00 AM
Might as well call it 12 gpp.  My 21st century is nice and quiet, and I have gotten used to the trajectory.
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Post by: Rob DiStefano on December 23, 2009, 08:42:00 AM
so much good happens with a hefty amount of arrow weight, so i use at least 12gpp.  

this year i hunted hogs with a tad over 10gpp and was not all that happy with what it did to my hog with a 55# holding weight.  double lung and nicked the heart but no exit hole and never found the arrow.

later this i started experimenting with much higher arrow weights and the penetration difference sold me on 12gpp for hogs.  if i ever get a crack at antelope again i'll wanna drop down to 10gpp for less trajectory.
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Post by: Don Stokes on December 23, 2009, 09:10:00 AM
10 minimum, 15 maximum for me. Usually end up around 12.
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Post by: Apex Predator on December 23, 2009, 09:17:00 AM
10-13 gpp, usually 12-13.
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Post by: George D. Stout on December 23, 2009, 09:23:00 AM
I usually stay within the logical boundaries of grains to weight.  We always went by 8 to 10 grains per pound for hunting arrows; maybe lighter for field and target, depending on what we were shooting at the time.

I choose the arrow best suited to my bow and me, then maximize flight and performance characteristics so when it does hit, all the power is delived on the tip of the broadhead.

Basically, it's up to the individual archer, whether or not you want 8 or 18 grains per pound.
The bottom line is that it needs to fly perfectly off the bow and hit the right spot to be of good benefit.
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Post by: snag on December 23, 2009, 10:00:00 AM
Hunting arrows 10-12 gp lb.
Tournament arrows 8+ gp lb.
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Post by: shadman on December 23, 2009, 10:08:00 AM
Usually 10-12 gr / #
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Post by: rappstar on December 23, 2009, 10:12:00 AM
I had an interesting call with BW yesterday.  I called them to get their opinion on a carbon that would work on my PMA that is around 75# @ 29".  

I told them I've got some 300 carbons flying pretty well but they don't weight as much as I want.  They weight around 8.8gpp (I'm shooting for 10gpp).

He recommended an arrow and they are sending me a test kit.  The interesting thing he told me that as you go up in bow weight, the more important 10gpp is.  He said that 8gpp to 9gpp will do damage to my bow.  

Thought I'd share this as I always thought if you were above 8gpp all is good!
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Post by: on December 23, 2009, 10:15:00 AM
I like 9 gpp.
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Post by: KentuckyTJ on December 23, 2009, 10:20:00 AM
I'm always around 10 gpi
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Post by: shortstroke 91 on December 23, 2009, 10:49:00 AM
550 grains #45 = 12.23 & 21%foc, hits hard and drives through everything so far.
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Post by: CallMaker on December 23, 2009, 10:55:00 AM
9-12, whatever flies well works for me.
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Post by: Dave Lay on December 23, 2009, 11:16:00 AM
for my 60lb bows I run 9.5 to 11   both work very well,
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Post by: RonH on December 23, 2009, 11:37:00 AM
I run 12 gpp for my 60lb recurve......
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Post by: trip on December 23, 2009, 11:45:00 AM
I like b/t 9 and 10 gpp.
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Post by: Ringneck on December 23, 2009, 12:48:00 PM
Most of my arrows are 11-12 gpp.
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Post by: BRITTMAN on December 23, 2009, 12:50:00 PM
10 to 12 , no more and no less
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Post by: elknutz on December 23, 2009, 02:05:00 PM
My hunting arrows are 10.8 and 11.5 gpi.  That is what they ended up weighing when I got them tuned. I primarily hunt elk and then deer when I'm not hunting elk.  I have a 52 and a 55lb bow at my draw length.  I'm shooting a little heavier arrow out of the 52lb bow because I needed to make the arrow a little longer to get the correct spine and flight characteristics.  I wanted to use the same shaft type and broad head in both so I use different fletch colors to keep them seperate.
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Post by: La. bowhunter on December 23, 2009, 02:26:00 PM
I try to stay around 10 to 12 on all my bows. I dont take long shots and dont need the flat trajectory of a light shaft so I keep em heavy.
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Post by: azhunter on December 23, 2009, 02:50:00 PM
10.6 on my favorite setup. Quiet bow, good penetration, good arrow flight and plenty fast enough for good trajectory.
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Post by: Bruce Martin on December 23, 2009, 04:07:00 PM
guys, why alter the gpp for hunting vs target archery? Seems to me you are learning 2 trajectories? I just got a new Dakota recurve from Rick Welch, and the current set of limbs is 45 lb. I set up a Gold Tip trad with standard insert and 125 steel adapter and a 125 2 blade Zwicky eskimo. Very close to 30Coupe's setup. Last evening I killed a mega-doe (122 lb) and she went about 60 yds, nice pass through. Gpp is over 10 but not quite 11 and FOC is about 25%. When I get a set of 55 lb limbs I will increase the arrow weight in the front to keep about the same gpp and FOC and will tweak the tuning by shortening the arrow and/or altering the arrow pad on the bow. What I want is about the same trajectory but more Oooomph for hogs.

Is this logical?
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Post by: cacciatore on December 23, 2009, 04:42:00 PM
from 10 to 12 but if I had to hunt Heavy I would use more.
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Post by: Buckeye Trad Hunter on December 23, 2009, 04:48:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Jesse Minish:
I am happy if I am in between 9-12 gpp
Same here but I try for 10-11 idealy but if an arrow tunes right at 9 or 12 I'm comfortable with that.
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Post by: widow sax on December 23, 2009, 05:05:00 PM
I like 9 to 10 gr per lb best speed penatration balance. Widow
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Post by: 12ringman on December 23, 2009, 05:07:00 PM
12.3GPP

52# BW PMAX and a 29" CE Heritage 250 w/100gr insert and 200 grain Simmons Tigershark. 650gr give or take a grain or two.
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Post by: Bill Carlsen on December 23, 2009, 05:20:00 PM
I like 9-10 ggp. However, 200-225 grains of that weight is in the head/point.
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Post by: frassettor on December 23, 2009, 06:48:00 PM
I shoot 12-12.5
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Post by: tawmio on December 23, 2009, 07:10:00 PM
10.6 right now!
Beman Mfx Realtree with 100 grain insert and 125 grain tip.
50 lbs bow/530 grain arrow
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Post by: ishoot4thrills on December 23, 2009, 07:27:00 PM
My setup is in my signature below. Wasn't trying to make it weigh what it does, it just turned out that way and it works great.
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Post by: Hoser1268 on December 23, 2009, 09:13:00 PM
I like a minimum of 10 grp.  I shoot strictly wood and with 200 grs up front my arrows are coming in around 530 grs.
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Post by: dnovo on December 23, 2009, 09:21:00 PM
I usually stay right around 10. I shoot 57# and prefer my arrows to be about 600 grns. For me it is a good compromise between weight and trajectory. Have never had a penetration issue