What do you think of this?
Brand new Bow after the twelfth shot!!!!
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Samick Lightning TD Recurve - Amo 60 - lbs 55 at 28
Drawlength was 28 -
NO Fastflight string was used.
Arrows: Easton 2117 with a 125 grain field tip.
Debt was a cavity in the wood!
Fortunately nobody was injured!
Daniel
Good deal that no one was hurt. Hope You kept the warranty card.
Glad no one was hurt.Will they replace it,keep us updated.
That makes me cringe....
That would be scary,hope you didn't get anything in your eyes from that.
Wood has natural defects--I don't know if they could be spotted if you had an x-ray machine (and who x-rays bow wood?).
Hate to see that, but glad nobody was injured and hopefully you will get a new bow or a refund.
A friend of mine had that happen, except it happened the first time he pulled the bow to full draw. I don't know if he has all the splinters out yet, and he wasn't compensated for a bow that cost him near $1,000.
1st off, glad your OK. Chad said it right, wood has natural defects. The best bowyers out there can't detect all flaws. Thats why most of the bowyers out there have at least a 1-year warranty. This gives a bow time to "blow up" so to speak if there is a defect in the woods.
I'm sure Samick wi;ll honor there warranty and get you a new one.
I had a new bow (I won't say the bowyer) delaminate once after only a month. The glue came loose. Hey, it happens. When I called him to tell him about it, he didn't even let me finish my sentence when he stated" I'm starting on a new one for you immediately. Just use that one for firewood". Now thats customer service.
They will give you a new bow. Glad you are okay.
It can happen to the best made customs or simple home made models.
Glad to hear you are ok . Hope they get you a new bow. Let us know the out come.
Sean
"What do you think of this".
This is what I think:
1. When shooting/making a bow with natural materials the chance of it blowing up is a risk you assume.
2. Every bowyer I know has had a bow fail at some time. S**t happens when you use natural materials.
3. Provided nothing has been done to the bow that would void the warranty (if there is one) The Bowyer should stand behind his product and replace the bow.
4. This matter should be handled in private before being made public. If the bowyer fails to honor his warranty then, if you feel it is warranted, make it public. However, he deserves the chance to make it right.
Like Leatherneck, I have had problems with a new bow and one that was a couple of years old (warranty had expired), both the bowyers took care of the problem immediately. Without the need to castigate the bowyer in public.
I have had tips fail but never a riser, glad to see you are OK. Hopefully you won't have to wait long for your new one.
Denis
Hi folks.
I did not want to start anything here......!!
As stated above, WOOD HAS NATURAL DEFECTS!
I totally agree with that.
I am not blaming the bowyers work here, only wanted to show what can happen.
I have Been Working with wood for many years as a flute maker and bowyer.
Thanks to their customer service, it will be replaced by the company.
Daniel
Glad u are ok, but u never said anything bad about the bowyer, just a good lesson that even the best makers out there have this happen to their bow.
Did u have to change your shorts after that? I would have has a mess if that happened to me.
Post up pics of the new one, and have fun with that one when it gets home.
Have had a limb delaminate, but never a riser coming apart like that. That looks nasty. Glad you're alright.
Did you contact your underwear company about replacing your shorts as well?
That's high in Pucker Factor! Seen exploding nocks too many times. Hate to have a whole bow blow up.
That just sucks.. I have a Samick Lightning as well, and luckily that hasn't happened to me..
The will probably send a new one, hope you have better luck with that :)
Merry X-mas
-SveinD-
Glad you weren't hurt. I have had some limb failures before but never a riser. I know that made for an exciting day.
QuoteOriginally posted by Walt Francis:
4. This matter should be handled in private before being made public. If the bowyer fails to honor his warranty then, if you feel it is warranted, make it public. However, he deserves the chance to make it right.
Walt the "Boyer" is a Korean factory. :rolleyes:
You'll get a new bow. I've got a Samick packed up that I'm mailing back today. The bottom limb de-laminated at full draw a couple of months ago.......POW! :eek:
No more Samick's for me! Mine will be given away as a starter bow.
Thank God you weren't injured. :pray:
From what I read is that he is not putting anything on the bowyer. Sounds like he has not contacted them yet. He was just letting us know what kind of bow an everything he was shooting. He has not said anything bad about them yet that I have read. I am sure they will give him a new bow and make it right. I am sure they will be glad to know that no one was hurt. Nothing to keep private yet. I am sure he will contact the bowyer and keep that private.
That stinks, glad no one was hurt! I've had a riser shatter on the third arrow through it and the bowyer never hesitated to replace it and a new one came to my door in two weeks. I'm sure they will replace it for you.
Keep us informed and let us know.
Bet that sounded like a 38 going off! Don't feel bad - I had it happen to me with an expensive custom bow once. If they replace it, all is well.
In the mid 80's I was a wheelie shooter. Had a upper limb delaminate on a Bear (I think) compound. Scared the bejeesus outa me. That was when a friend gave me a recurve...
Fred...
Likewise, I was glad no one was injured. I've had nocks break and strings break, but never have I had a bow break! :eek: Scary stuff!
MD
Glad you are not been injured,I heard about some issues on those bows,but they usually replace them.Felix
Yup...You just can't see beneath the surface with wood, there's no way of documenting stresses upon the tree as it grew, and the point at which a tree or limb breaks is unpredictable. Plus, in manufacture, it would be a disadvantage to allow the moisture content of wood to drop to zero...so, much of risk is deferred to faith. Still, wood is my favorite medium...all warm and, preferably, not fuzzy.
It might be worth mentioning that there was a day when pistol grips and cutting sight windows were a break from convention and raised many eyebrows. I'd suspect that were it not for "I beam" construction in earlier models, many archers would not have been so willing to accept such an obviously questionable practice...and there would have been a detour in the road to the bow designs we use today.
Anyhow, good to hear the archer survived...another memorable experience, eh? It also lends credence to the number of times I've said that all bows have an unknown number of shots built in...something I started saying after a magnesium riser failed in my hands.
Hope you have a backup bow for the time being. Take Care, Rick.
Chunks of wood are like people, no two the same. I've always found it amazing that "ALL" of our bows don't blow-up on the first shot. Grainy woods of all types, curves, angles, micro-thin glue lines, etc.. all under incredible amounts of stress.
I had a Hybrid LB from a Top-Notch Bowyer begin to come apart in the Riser after a few months. It may have blown-up on me at some point, but I caught it during my pre-shooting inspection. I always go over my bows after stringing, and not just checking to make sure the string loops are firmly in the grooves. I look the whole bow over, and run my fingers along the limb edges and Riser etc. This bow was a super grainy Bocote and I found an area where the glue joint was not smooth. Further inspection found other issues developing. Anyway, possible disaster was avoided and I recently received a replacement from the Bowyer.
Daniel was just sharing something of interest to the folks here. Thankfully he wasn't injured, and a reminder once in awhile that our gear is potentially dangerous to not just the game we pursue, but to ourselves is a good thing.
I've owned several different Samick bows, including the Red Stag I still have and use regularly; they are no different than any other, other than they make thousands of them a year and are bound to have failures. A few months ago there were two broken bows from a very popular bowyer who visits these forums, and there has been many broken Bear, Pearson, Wing, Browning, etc. It's not a reflection on the company, especially one that takes care of it's customers as well as they do.
Crap happens, as was mentioned above...the value of a company shows in it's willingness to take care of issues when they do happen. This company is very reliable in such instances. Actually, I'm surprised that more bows don't break; anything glued together with stresses applied like in a recurve bow, you would think it impossible for them to last a long time. Mostly they do however, just like the thousands upon thousands of old Bear Kodiak Magnums and Grizzlys.
It's so rare, as a matter of fact, that they show-up very seldom on these forums. I would say all in all, bowyers and bow companies operate very effectively and all make fine, functional products. Even if we like to show-off the one out of every couple thousand that doesn't make the grade 8^).
samick has a 1 year warranty, and from my understanding they stand behind it 100%. glad you were not hurt, bows can be replaced.
soopernate that was some funny stuff i may have to go change my shorts now....
Glad you were not hurt. That would scare the heck out of me. The worst thing that has happen to me was a nock breaking on release and that scared the crap out of me.
I,m glad no one was hurt. I just posted this photo happened to me yesterday scared the jimminy jingles out of me. (http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss115/earljeff/indianbow002.jpg)
Stuff happens and it can be quite a shock at the time! Glad it is all working out.
That's scary. We can never be too carefull.Sooner or latter we all have close calls. Glad everyone is o.k.
WOW that made me tighten up. Glad no one was hurt. That tree must have had a bad year during the last round of global warming. Maybe the Government will settle out of court.
Glad they're taking care of it, but more importantly glad you're okay.
i know what its like for a bow to go bang!! sceard the hell out of me for sure .glad ya not hurt.
I have had three top rated bows because of a bad batch of birdseye and curly maple wood. The bowyer immediatedly started working on replacement bows. It happens and as long as you were not hurt you were lucky. I had a bow that I took in trade at ETAR blow up at the handle and hit me in the head so that I needed nine stitches to close the would. It makes you nervous when you attempt top draw a bow again until you get comfortable with shooting again.
i have had that happen to me with a bow that had
lace wood lams and handle,broke after 6 arrows.
and it was glass backed,never use lace wood!
Glad you are okay..can happen to any bow out there.
I had one bow I built do that and in exactly that same place and same way. Every bow since that time has a 1/8 in piece of phenolic across the back and four 1/16 pieces of phenolic in the middle and belly which surround that beauty wave. One time is enough . The bowyer needs to redesign his riser. I will not ever build another all wood riser.
As for the broken bow.
This bow was going to be a christmas present for a good friend of mine.
Talked to the dealer the day before. The bow will be replaced by warranty. So he has to wait for a couple of weeks.
Meanwhile I will hand him one of my other bows and a dozen of arrows.
He is celebrating his fiftieth birthday next year, so he wants to travel USA (He would like to fulfill himself a life dream) and do some bowhunting.
He has been talking about this for years now.
He asked me to come along and I said yes.
So we are planing to visit your country next year.
Wanna wish you all a merry christmas and a happy new year.
All the best from europe.
Daniel
Glad that all is well that ends well, Daniel.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. I hope you can make it here to bowhunt.
Glad you were not injured.
WOW...that could have been a disaster. Get right back in the saddle, I doubt it will ever happen to you again!
Just want to keep you updated on that broken bow.
New bow just arrived today. It was replaced by the company on warranty.
Made my friend really happy.
Right now I´m tuning the bow and will be handing it to my friend this evening.
He`s gonna have some happy shooting tonight.
Again, thanks to their customer service.
All the best from europe.
Daniel
Daniel, I am pleased that everything is gone well.
My buddys high end bow just disolved. The riser broke into four pieces at full draw. The bowyers making hime a new one. Lack of glue was to blame.
Nice to see that most bowyers still stand behind their work.
Glad to hear your ok. Had a LB blow on me at full draw with/at the bow-bolt. I have a long draw and prob. should have been shooting a longer bow. The bowyer did replace with no questions ask though.
That is pretty scary, and I'm happy there were no injuries. Over the years I've had a limb blow on two different bows that were each approximately two weeks old. Both were take downs, and the first was replaced in short order by the bower. The last one happened this past September, and I'm still waiting. Had to call them on four different occasions, and each time I get a promise they are working on it. This past Sunday was my latest coversation, and they promised to again have new limbs to me by March. This is a quality bow from a well known boyer, and was listed over $1,000. No CNC machines there; so, it takes time.
As you see, most companies nowadays stand behind their products. And..."any bow can break"...cheap, expensive, and the more bows a company makes the more chance you will see a broken one from time to time. Anything glued together can come apart, and wood...as mentioned...can have a deficiency in itself, which was the case in this bow. Good for Samick for taking care of you.....I knew the would, they are very reliable as a whole.
Good to hear that they are / and have taken care of you! Glad you were not hurt!
**** happens.
Can happen to any bow. You just don't know...
Wow that is scary stuff I have seen tips break but not the riser. Glad you are ok.
Glad that you were able to get it taken care of.
Wow... I am glad no one was hurt.
I've never seen a bow do that.
I once had an expensive longbow break upon drawing it within a week a receiving it. Quite a startling experience, but the bowyer replaced it with a beautiful osage bow and yew bow that someone ordered and never paid for.
BTW, your videos are awesome. Indeed, you have many talents.
I would have kept it to myself - contact them and then I would have done the warning with the reply from the bowyer making good on his promise...that's the way I would have handled it.
I think it's good that we all know that this can happen so that part I agree with..just the process and I am not attacking your character.
I have seen some of your videos and it looks like you are a very down to earth person.
Hey you ride bareback like nobody I have seen..still struggling with that a bit myself...gotta learn to relax and move with the horse.
jer Bear
Really glad you're OK, but Im a FIRM believer, you get what you pay for, maybe that's why Im always broke ....
Glad to see your Ok !!
expensive custom bow have failed too. as long as wood is involved thre is always a risk
WOW!!! :eek: Glad your OK.
Bill
I know how you feel! That has happened TWICE to me - both high end custom made bows. Both exploded in the same place your did and both bowyers refunded or replaced the bow. The first was the first custom made I ordered and it blew up during the first hunt with it at full draw while on a tripod with nothing around to grab on to. Luckily, I only ended up with a black eye and some gray hairs. Will sure make you gun shy with a new bow though.
Check out his You Tube!! Awsome!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/yononindo Well, Done Sir!!
I've had one top end recurve made for me blow apart on the upper limb. It was just out of warranty though and for what they wanted for limbs I put toward equip and I decided to make my own. Yeap you guessed it, all was going great till about the 12th bow, had one upper limb blow apart! Haven't had anymore problems since but man that sure is scary! Can happen to anyone.
Probably got bounced around on the long boat ride over here. Maybe some invasive specie insect was chewing/boring into the wood before/after the build. I'm sure they will replace it, probably make a thousand a day.