Could we hear from a few of you folks about the relative merits of these brands of the newer "tech" clothing? I read a lot about Sitka but not so much about the others which are, by the sound of it, comparable in type and perhaps lower in price than Sitka. Opinions?
I tried Under Armour and flat-out couldn't stand the stuff. Besides being smelly (synthetic material-type smell), I couldn't stand wearing something skin-tight. It also seemed to hold odors. Besides, it really didn't do much to keep me warm. I've found that good wool long underwear (Ulfrotte) do a much better job.
I ended up giving the UA to my son since it's the fad for teenage kids around here.
I have some Sitka and some under armour gear. I like the most all my Sitka gear and some of the under armour I really like and some I don't. I have never tried the APX though so can't help there.
I have looked at some of the new stuff out there and can't see where I would be better off with it. Good wicking longjohns{poly-pro} and wool seem to be the best for what I do.After that its just layering to what ever warmth I need.It seem that some of this new stuff isn't as silent as wool either. But to each his or her own. I guess I get stuck in a rut and don't want to change...lol!
This year i sat aside my Justin Charles wool longjohns to see what all the hype was about Armour cold gear. Bought the lighter stuff and i agree the skin tightness drove me nuts. I also found out that you don't wear the stuff under clothes when grinding or welding. I was grinding and burnt threw my coat. The "Plastic" cold gear melts into skin pretty fast. Ain't like i wasn't told by reading about it on here. The top now is looking for a body, not mine. The bottoms i was lucky enough to buy larger than i needed. So there not as tight. Everything fyrfyter43 says is what i found out also. My wool won't stink. And for me the Cold gear is ok under jeans around home and yard.But sitting or hunting give me my Justin Charles wool. Since my wife can't get near wool she has the 3.0 heavier Cold gear and she really loves it.
UA cold gear doesnt wick sweat well for me or many others who I hunt and trap with.It does get foul after running a trapline or a long, long ADK hunt and hike.I think LL Bean wool lj's are a better option .Also surplus wool/poly blend is a fine undergarment for the price.No experience with the others.I have friends who really like the APX.
I am pretty happy that I got a full set of Sitka - and I'm even happier that I got it before the prices went up. If you can foot the bill, you wont regret it. I've been wearing it for 3 seasons and it's the only thing I've found that actually does dry very quickly when you sweat chasing elk.
On the other hand, my experience with UA is about the same as everyone elses. Talk about a "feecing of America", someone convinced me that wearing spandex was going to be a good thing. Turns out.... not so much.
I agree with everyone else on the UA gear. I also had some of the 07 sitka and the stuff reaked bad too. Now I have merino wool, no more stink for me. :)
I use under armour loose gear for my base layers. I really like it, seems to work well. I do notice that it holds scent, but I don't know if thats a good thing or bad thing. If it holds the scent well it might help it from dissipating into the air? Not sure, just speculating?
Cabela's is having a sale on Polartech base layers which are for wicking away moisture. They have them in light weight to thermal weight and for the price you can get several and if odor is a problem just wash one each time you go out and have another ready to go. With the polartech and layering with wool I would think that it would be cost effective and warm. Here's the link:
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/pod/horizontal-pod.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/pod-link.jsp_A&_DAV=email&rid=&indexId=cat604760&navAction=push&masterpathid=&n avCount=0&parentType=index&parentId=cat604760&id=0016690 (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/pod/horizontal-pod.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/pod-link.jsp_A&_DAV=email&rid=&indexId=cat604760&navAction=push&masterpathid=&navCount=0&parentType=index&parentId=cat604760&id=0016690)
I have only used wool sparingly in the past, but except for the obvious flare ups with fire, I will never wear non-synthetic in the hunting woods again.
I have been drenched too many times in "water-proof" stuff. The Sitka dries so fast it is crazy.
I was an apparell buyer for an outdoor store and got to try out lots of high tech gear! UAs Baselayer is a good product comes in 3 weights, I did not like their Cold Gear though, always left me with a clammy feeling! UA product is pricey and overated but it sells! I found the best layering product was any of the Merino wool based products excellant!Smartwool is the most well known,great product but expensive! Two Companies Minus33 and Terramar, if you can find a dealer that sell their stuff, make excellant Merino wool goods for a lot less money!
I dislike UA for a base layer on any type of pack in hunt. The stuff absolutely stinks after wearing it for a short time. I still wear it sometimes if the weather is warm, but if it is cool enough, I much prefer a merino wool garment. It wicks sweat better which prevents chills when you stop moving and does not stink like UA type gear.
Still looking for APX opinions....more about the outerwear in the other brands, too.
I started using UA my freshman year of college for hockey and loved it, and I still do for hunting. But the shirts I wore for hockey, even after being washed about a hundred times still smell like they are fresh out of the hockey bag. Naaaasssty!
Looks like most people that have replied feel the way I do about the UA compression stuff.I bought my first set at my normal size,tried it on and fely like a sausage. Sent it back for the next size up om both bottom and top, and I could wear it then. However, it is no where close to as good as warm as the military type polypropelyne stuff,so I don't wear it anymore.The bad experience I got with this stuff will keep me from buying anymore underarmour products.
I was out in the cold stuff this week end for about 8 hours total. I had on merino wool with UA over that, insulated bibs, heavy wool sweater, pile jacket,two stocking caps, face mask, insulated boots of course. On my hands I had mechanics gloves with large choppers near by(did not use them). I stayed pertty warm. I couldn't walk too good, but rolled great!
I have a lot of experience in the cold serving in the Infantry in Alaska, and carrying mail on a walking route in Northern Mn. So far, the only sure way for me to stay warm in the really cold stuff is to keeping moving.
Most of the new high-tech stuff has disappointed me. I've gone back to DuoFold. Light cotton inside, merino wool outside. Been wearing it since I was a kid.
Still cold? add a set of polypro expedition over it then add the usual layers. Sweater, bibs, watch cap etc. Works for me.
Larry
i bought a couple of the APX archer's jackets when they first came out. They were pre Sitka. i like the fit because it isn't bulky and has a more compressed fit, and i can layer up under it. i still have them. i like the apx base layers for warm or hot weather. They do a pretty good job of wicking moisture and are cheap compared to some of the others. i tried under armour and i didn't like the fit. i've switched over to sitka gear cause i like the durability, fit, and the camo pattern.
What size jacket do you wear? i might could hook you up with an archers jacket. :)
Medium. That would be great--thanks.
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I have Sitka gear and UA. Used both on my elk hunt. The Sitka Ascent pants are awesome for that type of hunting!!! I have bought all my Sitka gear atleast 50% off on Camofire.com. And I have bought more since I wore those pants on my elk hunt!
I have not used UA or Sitka but have tried numerous variations of synthetics through the years - polypropylene and polyester types. However, since Smartwool came out with merino light-weight and medium weight underwear I quit searching. I wear it every day all winter. It washes and dries easily, doesn't hold odor, wicks moisture well and seems to wear forever. When the temperatures drop to single digits I use the Ulfrotte 200 zip neck over the Smart wool. It is unbelievably warm for the weight and bulk (lack of).