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Title: Riser mass
Post by: olddogrib on December 17, 2009, 07:07:00 PM
My Cheyenne has a Cocobolo Dymondwood riser that is one of the physically heaviest riser I've come across, something that I prefer in recurves.  I know that particular wood naturally has a lot of mass, aside from the resin.  What are some other heavy riser woods.  I'm planning to have Bob make another that copies my Shawnee grip.
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Post by: Tatersalad on December 17, 2009, 07:53:00 PM
Just cut this off of another website:

cocobolo - dalbergia retusa, is the most dense and strongest of all the rosewoods, and considered the most beautiful exotic wood due to it's colors and highly figured grain patterns.  Cocobolo is the second most dense wood in the world, it has twice the density of walnut.  

Sounds like you should stick with Cocobolo if weight is what your looking for...also happens to be the prettiest wood around!!

Michael
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Post by: JV Rooster on December 17, 2009, 08:33:00 PM
What Tatersalad said.
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Post by: Bowmania on December 17, 2009, 08:46:00 PM
Heaviest I know of comes from an aluminum tree.

Bowmania
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Post by: Bill Carlsen on December 17, 2009, 08:49:00 PM
Why not go with an all phenolic riser?
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Post by: Robertfishes on December 17, 2009, 10:34:00 PM
isn't cocobolo dymondwood really just dyed birch pressure impregnated with resin? it contains no real cocobolo wood. I made 4 bows last year with dymondwood risers and dymondwood is heavy, you don't want to drop a 2x4x22 block of it on you foot. I liked the dymondwood and will use it again. from the rutply web site. Product Overview
Sometimes refererred to by the generic name of COMPREG, DymondWood® is a highly engineered wood/plastic composite, that has the physical and mechanical properties of high density hardwood, acrylic, polycarbonate plastics and brass. Here, brightly dyed northern hardwood veneers are combined with engineering grade resins, heat and pressure to create a product that has the best characteristics of each. DymondWood® is distinguished by its unique strength, durability, dimensional stability, and weather and moisture resistance as compared to regular wood. Specific Gravity: 1.18 - 1.30
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Post by: Robertfishes on December 17, 2009, 10:40:00 PM
pic of the birch "cocobolo colored" riser.  (http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt46/Robertfishes/07081049.jpg)
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Post by: Robertfishes on December 17, 2009, 10:44:00 PM
I made this one with "walnut colored" dymondwood which is also made from dyed birch.  (http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt46/Robertfishes/3rdbowwalnut.jpg)
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Post by: ChuckC on December 17, 2009, 11:42:00 PM
Bob  I do belive you are correct.
ChuckC
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Post by: olddogrib on December 18, 2009, 06:35:00 AM
Thanks for the info. Bob offers several Dymondwood options and I may consider one of those if they are basically equal, with the mass coming from the resin impregnation.  I assume that real Cocobolo would be even heavier than Dymondwood?
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Post by: The Whittler on December 18, 2009, 07:14:00 AM
Kingwood has some weight, and great looking.
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Post by: Robertfishes on December 18, 2009, 08:37:00 AM
I believe that dymondwood is heavier than any wood used for risers. Never used it but I hear Ipe can have a sg of over 1.0, other woods of good mass include goncalo alves, katalox, jatoba, cocobolo, some of the rosewoods and osage. I have a BW PSAX made with kingwood and it is a good looking wood.
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Post by: myshootinstinks on December 18, 2009, 08:52:00 AM
As stated above, have him use a lot of phenolic in the riser.  The Widows with their many laminations are the heaviest risers I've ever shot.
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Post by: pebowbender on December 18, 2009, 01:21:00 PM
Richard, I used Pau Ferro on a one piece longbow. It is a very heavy wood and has a beautiful color/grain when finished. Let me know if you are going to Stick and Wheel on the 27th and I'll bring it.
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Post by: Steelhead on December 18, 2009, 02:10:00 PM
I like kingwood and cocobolo.Dymondwood is gonna be heavier than exotics.Some particular pieces of wood are gonna be heavier or denser of the same exotic wood species.I recently had an all Bacote riser recently that was noticably heavier than other bacote risers I have had.

i like the ideas of a Phenolic double flare riser combined with exotic woods if you want some mass and pretty exotic wood combined with it.The phenolic is black so its gonna match up with anything.

I saw one Morrison that had Phenolic for the center piece framed in with charcoal diamondwood on the outside halves that was sharp.

I currantly have an all phenolic cheyenne A riser that is a great riser.Bomb proof,weather proof,very stiff and high mass weight.I really like it for functional reasons.I expect it last forever.It does not get near as cold as aluminum when hunting in the cold.Yet has similar qualities as an aluminum riser.
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Post by: David McLendon on December 18, 2009, 05:46:00 PM
I've got a bamboo free Widow PAX coming in Zircote/Yew burl veneers and yew tapers, it will be heavy and good looking.
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Post by: larry on December 18, 2009, 06:43:00 PM
Ipe is very heavy wood, specific gravity of .85-.97. sometimes called brazillian walnut, it's also very hard and will dull your tools quick. it's a nice looking wood although I don't think I've ever seen it used in a riser
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Post by: Lucas K on December 19, 2009, 04:10:00 PM
I had John McDonald of Big River Bows build me a Super Kodiak Reproduction out of Gabon Ebony he said that it was heavier than the phenolic that he open uses. If I could find a piece long enough I would like a riser mad from Snakewood as it is also very heavy. Ligum Vitae is listed as the heavyest wood but it is also tough to get a piece long enough for a riser

Lucas
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Post by: Earl Jeff on December 19, 2009, 04:21:00 PM
I got to go with Phenolic to I have a big River longbow with a solid phenolic riser and its probably my sweetest shooting bow.
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Post by: BUCKY on December 19, 2009, 08:37:00 PM
isn't dymondwood known to crack in risers?