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Title: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Dsturgisjr on April 08, 2007, 02:35:00 PM
In Darryl Quidort's section on Masters of the Barebow 1, he talks about the importance of practicing on life-size targets for his method of shooting. I agree with Darryl and thought I'd share my buffalo target.

   (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Dsturgisjr/Ibufulldraw.jpg)

   (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Dsturgisjr/Ibuffshot2.jpg)

   (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Dsturgisjr/IBuffshot.jpg)

 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Dsturgisjr/Ibufapull.jpg
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: razorsharptokill on April 08, 2007, 02:39:00 PM
That Buff is sooo dead right now! Cool!!Thanks for posting that!
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Lee Viv on April 08, 2007, 02:41:00 PM
Nice, Denny!  Our archery club has a turkey and elk 3d target on the practice range, and I love shooting at them for practice.  Been concentrating on the turkey one lately, with the season coming up, but shoot at the elk one in case I get lucky enough to get drawn for an elk tag here.

Looks like you're ready!


Lee
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Randy Morin on April 08, 2007, 02:42:00 PM
Nice Denny...I bet the other side is a Buff facing head on so you can practice that eternal stare down.     :help:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: the Ferret on April 08, 2007, 02:49:00 PM
Cool...That can't be the true size of a buff though is it? Looks kinda small to me.


you should have seen the target I was using when practicing for my moose hunt a few years ago. Dayum those moose are big ha ha
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Jay Campbell, JD on April 08, 2007, 02:51:00 PM
I like it!  Two weeks ago UPS delivered a Delta 3-D Life-sized Buffalo target to me and the Mrs. Been filling it full of holes here in NM.  Freaks out the dog.  We're getting ready for Buffalo in July in OZ. I should put a pair of Water Buffalo horns on it, though.  We were at Cabelas in Wisconsin last week, got to stare down the Cape Buffalo full mounts. Dang!  - Jay Campbell, JD
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Dsturgisjr on April 08, 2007, 02:52:00 PM
Mickey - That is only the front half.   LOL
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: 8th Dwarf on April 08, 2007, 03:25:00 PM
I hate to burst your bubble, D-Man, but you had better shoot higher than that!  Also, are you practicing fast dashes and lightning-quick tree climbing?

I studied the Buff anatomy and the lungs are much larger higher up.  Also, the "sweet spot", where the main arteries come together in the lungs is much higher.  

My aiming point is at least 6" higher and about 4" further forward.  That puts you in the "V" and right in the sweet spot.  I hit both my bulls there and the were down almost instantly.

I was hoping to hunt with you in camp down there again, Denny.  I enjoyed meeting you...If you're ever going over again, let me know.  I'm going back either next year or the year after.  I'm hooked on Buffalo!  And...OZ!

Cheers, mate!

Too Short
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Dsturgisjr on April 08, 2007, 03:46:00 PM
Hey Paul,Stand up on a box and it will look better to you. LOL

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Dsturgisjr/ishort.jpg)

Going back over with Don this summer. Thinking of Mozambique in a couple years though? Really enjoyed hanging out with you too.

We disected the bulls we shot last year when we packed out the meat. Those high lung shots do indeed drop them.

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Dsturgisjr/internetbuffgroup.jpg)
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Stone Knife on April 08, 2007, 04:05:00 PM
Looks like a pincushion with all the arrows in it. You weren't taking any chances were you?
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: 8th Dwarf on April 08, 2007, 04:08:00 PM
Hey, mate! (I'm beginning to sound like a Kiwi)

WHERE did you hunt?  That looks like a pretty darned good bull!  I assume that only one of the arrows was need to drop him and that the others were test shots for penetration.

I heard from Andrew that he has been charged a couple more times.  It was close, but he dropped them both with the .416!  He's down here now, guiding for Red Deer on the South Island.  

I wanted to go to Oz this July and then go on with Andrew to New Calidonia for the Russa Deer roar, but found that I may have a chance to go with Allan Cilliers to his new area in the Caprivi Strip.  It is unfenced, 400 square miles, and WILD!  Lions in numbers, thousands of Buff, Leopards, around 7,000 Elephant, and a bunch of species I have never even seen.  

Drop me an email at [email protected] and fill me in on your OZ hunt and the outfitter.

Too Short
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: dposalski on April 08, 2007, 04:21:00 PM
I thought you could just shoot at the side of the house...  :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Dsturgisjr on April 08, 2007, 05:09:00 PM
Hey Paul, We hunted with Bill Baker on Melville Island. That old bull just kept turning around - never knew we were there. I gave him a couple extras to speed things along.

Can you get permits for the cape buffalo with Allen? I've always wanted to hunt the "strip". Allan is the real deal.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: the Ferret on April 08, 2007, 05:19:00 PM
That dead thing looks WAAAAAY bigger than your practice target   :eek:  

I can see by that picture of you and Paul that if we ever get our picture taken together I'm bringing my "puffed up shirt" and my milk crate so I don't look as tiny as Paul does standing next to you.   :saywhat:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Dsturgisjr on April 08, 2007, 05:38:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Dsturgisjr/DennyBillbuff.jpg)

Mickey, I think you are right - but it isn't that bad for doing it with a spray can.

My kid is getting good with catching those arrows in flight with the digital camera.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Dsturgisjr on April 08, 2007, 05:43:00 PM
Jay, I just saw your post. We will see you at Melville!
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: robslifts on April 08, 2007, 06:08:00 PM
awesome i wish to do that someday
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Ron LaClair on April 08, 2007, 06:16:00 PM
Denny, It looks like you're keeping that release hand tucked in and useing a dead release instead of making it come back to your shoulder. Did you learn that from watching MBB?    :goldtooth:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Dsturgisjr on April 08, 2007, 07:09:00 PM
Hey Ron, My release hand moved back on release - it's behind my ear a bit. Just like the guy in the opening of MBB.  :knothead:  

The range is a painted up and ready to shoot again.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Al Kidner on April 08, 2007, 07:19:00 PM
Super idea Denny. Nothing like good practice on the animal to be hunted. Only one thing mate, your still wearing your shoes...   :readit:   ...lol. Regardless of the snow !!

 Hope to catch up with you when your here.

 al
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Ybuck on April 08, 2007, 07:25:00 PM
So cool!  :archer:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Dsturgisjr on April 08, 2007, 07:30:00 PM
Al, You did notice they are unlaced and ready to slip off in a second!

See you downunder!
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Matty on April 08, 2007, 10:55:00 PM
is that thing painted on a block of cement,wow those are some tough arrows, well I guess you would need a 2000 grain arrow shooting at those things...
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: 2Blade on April 08, 2007, 11:21:00 PM
What is your target made out of?
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Rick McGowan on April 09, 2007, 06:57:00 AM
One third of the way up from the bottom and straight up the center of the leg on a broadside buff.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: CMR on April 09, 2007, 08:08:00 AM
Morning Denny.

Whats your arrow setup for that buff?
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Terry Green on April 09, 2007, 10:10:00 AM
Denny,

Gotta tell ya....1st thing I thought of when I saw the pic of yo at the target....if that thing is like size...Denny's the Jolly Green Giant!!!
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Over&Under on April 09, 2007, 10:19:00 AM
Good shooting, but you have to stop, you are making me jealous!!!!!

Way to go!!! Thanks for sharing!!

Jake
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Dsturgisjr on April 09, 2007, 10:50:00 AM
The target is painted on some type of foam that is manufactured around here. I've heard it is for astro-turf, but I'm not sure. Shedhunter (Ron Bergeron) told me about a sporting goods store by him that had it available. We picked up a trailer load for an indoor range we had to make for a customer. Lost Nation might have some too. You see a lot of kids using it for float/rafts.

I used Grizzlystik shafts last year with great results. I'm using Beman MFX shafts this year. Jack from Zwickey made us up some prototype heads that worked great last year and I'll use them again this time.

Terry, Needless to say I've wintered well and am now ready to butcher.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Rich LaBombard on April 09, 2007, 11:41:00 AM
It's cool to see the great smiles that accompany the majority of the photos on this site!

Denny, I like the look of that quiver.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Ron LaClair on April 09, 2007, 11:45:00 AM
Denny, remember when I was trying to stop you from using what I call the San Fransisco release (limp wrist)?  From the pictures you posted at the beginning of this thread it looks like you've finely got it right.        :clapper:  

Now I've got to work on BC down on the end of the line using the "Sumo" squat     :D  

   
    (http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/Dennys_lesson.jpg)
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Ron LaClair on April 09, 2007, 12:16:00 PM
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Denny's the Jolly Green Giant!!!
 
Terry, even the Jolly Green Giant can't stand up to a well placed arrow.     :biglaugh:    

    (http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/R_whippedem.jpg)
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Dsturgisjr on April 09, 2007, 12:39:00 PM
Ron, I've always strived to let the "release" just happen - a surprise almost.

I might have exaggerated that release in the pic above because I was trying to give the joker behind me a shot to the head.  :)
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Ron LaClair on April 09, 2007, 12:49:00 PM
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I was trying to give the joker behind me a shot to the head.  
As is obvious in the picture    :readit:  you're the one that got the shot to the head when I slapped you for using that F@g release.    :knothead: ....   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: CMR on April 09, 2007, 12:56:00 PM
:smileystooges:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: jonesy on April 09, 2007, 01:04:00 PM
San fransisco release, thats funny, your killin me!
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: pucci on April 09, 2007, 01:22:00 PM
Denny, there are a few seconds of your buffalo hunt on the Masters of the Barebow DVD. Did you plan to make a a full DVD of that hunt? It would be nice, also to see Dale Karch hunting, too.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Dsturgisjr on April 09, 2007, 01:49:00 PM
pucci, Dale and I shot all four buffalo on video and have awesome support footage, but I don't know if we would sell enough to justify the time and $ it would take to produce a first class DVD.

Ron, All kidding aside, I took something home and put it to use from all of you masters. It was an honor to video and hang out with you folks. You all made the project what it is.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Ron LaClair on April 09, 2007, 02:04:00 PM
Does this mean this round is over?    :knothead:  .....   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 09, 2007, 02:05:00 PM
Hey, how come your arra didn't bounce off like Darryl's?
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: pucci on April 09, 2007, 05:38:00 PM
Denny, thanks for replying. Maybe the people at 3Rivers can help. Or maybe you could just put the videos you have on a DVD (without any editing or any extra work) an sell that only to fellow tradgangers!

Btw, looking at the pictures and comparing you to Too Short, you look like 3 times bigger than him...and almost as big as Ron!!!
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Guru on April 09, 2007, 05:45:00 PM
Very cool bud....I'd love to do that someday!
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Greyfox54 on April 09, 2007, 08:43:00 PM
Hello Denny , what range can you realistically expect to get on those Buff. ? I know you shoot 90# cut would 75# in your opinion be enough ?
 Great pics , Fred
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: shedhunter on April 09, 2007, 09:07:00 PM
man this place is rough!!! do I smell a rematch?????  These widows are getting hungry!  lol   Knutsons Sporting goods in Brooklyn MI has a bunch of them at all times, They have white, black and blue I believe.  They run between 30-40 $$$.  They are a mail order business also so they may be able to send to you???  Thier# is:517-592-2786
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Terry Green on April 09, 2007, 09:10:00 PM
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Originally posted by Dsturgisjr:
The target is painted on some type of foam that is manufactured around here. I've heard it is for astro-turf, but I'm not sure. .
I know the guys that own astro-turf real well.....I'll check into that.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Terry Green on April 09, 2007, 09:11:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ron LaClair:
 
quote:
Denny's the Jolly Green Giant!!!
 
Terry, even the Jolly Green Giant can't stand up to a well placed arrow.      :readit:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Ron LaClair on April 09, 2007, 09:32:00 PM
Terry, it was self defense    :rolleyes:  Denny got mad when I whipped him on his home range and made an agressive move on me...what's a fellow to do ?...I was just defending myself.    :archer:

   (http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/R&D_shootout.jpg)
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Dsturgisjr on April 09, 2007, 10:22:00 PM
Hey Ron, My wife kills bigger bucks than you do!! LOL   :)    :)    :)  

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Dsturgisjr/mombucki.jpg)
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Ron LaClair on April 09, 2007, 11:30:00 PM
OH YA??...well my wifes a better shot than you      :archer:      :)      :)      :)      

     (http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/Nancy-scores.JPG)
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Rich LaBombard on April 10, 2007, 08:06:00 AM
Denny: You should start your own web page.  Post some pics, short video clips, etc.
Come on!
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: shedhunter on April 10, 2007, 08:13:00 PM
ttt    :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: The Whittler on April 10, 2007, 08:31:00 PM
You two are as bad as Gene Wenzel and Paul Brunner lol. Alan
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Dsturgisjr on April 11, 2007, 08:55:00 PM
Hey Ron, That's not fair bringing sweet Nancy into this.

Got the buffalo back from the taxidermist today. He looks awesome. When I watch TV I can glance up and remember a great adventure.

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Dsturgisjr/IBuffHead.jpg)

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Dsturgisjr/IDen.jpg)
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: TimZeigler on April 11, 2007, 08:58:00 PM
Nice! Denny, you should be an interior decorator. I like your style.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Ron LaClair on April 11, 2007, 11:47:00 PM
Nice Denny. What are you tryin to do start your own zoo?       :D    Show em the other walls.      :cool:    

I've got trophys too, I would have gotten it mounted but I couldn't afford it      :goldtooth:    

      (http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/buckskin%20bowman.jpg)
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Rich LaBombard on April 12, 2007, 07:57:00 AM
Denny: wow, what a room!
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Ron LaClair on April 12, 2007, 08:08:00 AM
Denny, it looks like some blankets there on the couch. Is that where you sleep when you come home from those big expensive hunts?    :readit: .....   :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Dsturgisjr on April 12, 2007, 03:38:00 PM
Ron, Those blankets are where big Bubba the dog likes to lay.
 I might add that my Bubba dog is much bigger and meaner than your little, cute beagle. LOL  :)
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: stick_string on April 12, 2007, 03:43:00 PM
Wow,
Awsome room with a ton of memories....I found a penny the other day and put it in my hunting account....only a few thousand more to go!!!!  :smileystooges:    :banghead:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Herdbull on April 12, 2007, 04:09:00 PM
Denny,
Is that the "Money Shot" sable in the corner? Nice walls of memories.
Mike
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: bentpole on April 12, 2007, 04:27:00 PM
Great stuff by great folks.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Ron LaClair on April 12, 2007, 10:47:00 PM
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Ron, Those blankets are where big Bubba the dog likes to lay.
I might add that my Bubba dog is much bigger and meaner than your little, cute beagle. LOL    :)    
Ya I remember Bubba...he likes to bark    :D  

My dog Dolly is more than just a "cute beagle" She's extremely intelligent. Not only a very good hunter but a bow hunter to boot.

    (http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/Dolly_hunts.JPG)

She loves it so much that when she's not hunting she's reading about it.    :rolleyes:

      (http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/Dolly_reading.JPG)

Dolly is so smart...the other day I caught her looking at her baby pictures on the computer.

     (http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/Dollys_Baby_Pictures.JPG)

She may not be big, and she may not be mean...but she's pretty and she's smart.

   (http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/Dolly_the_Queen.JPG)
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: pucci on April 12, 2007, 10:56:00 PM
Dolly 1
Bubba 0

 :saywhat:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Dsturgisjr on April 12, 2007, 11:11:00 PM
I tried to find Bubba to get some pictures, but he went hunting.

Dolly is a cool dog!  :)
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Cody Roiter on April 14, 2007, 09:35:00 PM
Dsturgisjr, what is your set up in the pic.
Cody
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Dsturgisjr on April 15, 2007, 04:18:00 PM
Cody, In the shooting pictures I'm using a 75#, 64" Black Widow PLII and Beman MFX shafts.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo Practice
Post by: Greyfox54 on April 15, 2007, 09:15:00 PM
Denny , Is the sweet spot Paul Brunner speaks about the same on Cape Buffalo ? Also any idea where I can get some material like you have to make a target with ? Fred