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Title: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: Wannabe1 on November 06, 2009, 11:03:00 PM
Well, here it goes. My first attempt at building wood arrows. Bare with me as it may take some time.   :)    First we start with my modest work area, 1/2 Dozen Surewood shafts(from Surewood shaft company only 7.5 miles up the road) 70#-75# spine, Mini cut off saw from Harbor Freight and Accurate Taper Tool 11/32 from 3Riversarchery.
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Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on November 06, 2009, 11:21:00 PM
good start so far.
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: Wannabe1 on November 07, 2009, 07:33:00 AM
This morning I got up a little early. Using my saw, I cut the arrows to length and stained them with Minwax Water Based stain. I like a darker shaft so, I used Rosewood as my color stain. If you can notice, I did not stain the nock ends. Call me superstitious but, I want to ensure a good adhesion with my glue for the nocks. I have drill today so, we will let these set and dry and then begin the crown process.
(http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/100_0125.jpg)
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: jcar315 on November 07, 2009, 08:04:00 AM
Nice!!!

Careful as arrow building is addictive!

Love the picture of the kids watching over you.

FYI: I found that with my saw (exact same as yours) the wood dulled up the blades pretty quick. I was surprised at this but changing the blades got it back on track. I was glad I got the extra pack of blades at the same time.
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: snag on November 07, 2009, 12:42:00 PM
Looking good. Hey, did you make the back quiver with the fleece on it? I like it! I like to do any straightening before I start. Then I'll check for straightness a few more times up until I dip them.
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: Wannabe1 on November 07, 2009, 01:11:00 PM
Dave, I got that back quiver off the Quiver Classifieds about 4 years ago. I checked the shafts for straightness and couldn't find a bend in any of them. I am going to check again this evening after the stain has dried and before applying the crown and sealer.
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: Chris Surtees on November 07, 2009, 01:22:00 PM
Lookin' good!
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: Wannabe1 on November 07, 2009, 01:29:00 PM
Thanks Chris. I'll be using your Bitzenburger to do the fletching on these arrows.
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: snag on November 07, 2009, 01:41:00 PM
Dang old Surewoods...not a bend in even one of them!!!   :thumbsup:  I like the dark stain myself. Especially on the doug fir. Looks great!
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: Wannabe1 on November 07, 2009, 03:01:00 PM
Not one bend, I rolled 'em across my table top and there wasn't a wobble in any of them. Rourke really hooked me up with this batch of shafts. I'm already planning my next set with a different stain maybe and fletching.
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: lpcjon2 on November 07, 2009, 03:21:00 PM
Looks great, I wish I had a room to do some of that kinda work.
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: Bowspirit on November 07, 2009, 04:49:00 PM
Dang...wish the first woodies I put together were Surewood firs. Would have saved a whole lot of time and effort...
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: snag on November 07, 2009, 05:20:00 PM
It is truly a joy to make arrows when you start with good shafts like Surewoods. Then when you are done you really have a great arrow...like Wannabe is going to have!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: Wannabe1 on November 07, 2009, 09:02:00 PM
Well, got home tonight and did the cresting. Not as good as I hoped but, it is my first time!   :D  Hopefully, I'll shoot them through some game and they'll be red instead of white anyway.
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Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: snag on November 08, 2009, 11:02:00 AM
They're starting to look like arrows! Oh boy! Did you dip them or spray them?
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: Wannabe1 on November 08, 2009, 12:24:00 PM
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: Wannabe1 on November 08, 2009, 12:25:00 PM
I sprayed them with Rustoleum White Gloss. I think next time I am going to figure out some way to dip. Spraying didn't turn out very well.

Can you do a brush on crown and have it turn out decent?

Tonight I will work on a coat of sealer. Going to use a Verathane and see how that turns out.
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: NoCams on November 08, 2009, 12:56:00 PM
here is how we dip wannabe1.... Get you a 1 " or 1.5" piece of PVC about 12" long with a end cap glued on and fill with Krylon Acrylic enamel thinned way down with water, till it runs like water. Bought it at Walmart, cheap for a quart. Tape off a 10" cap with blue painters tape and dip two coats for good coverage. Stop about 1/4" short of the tape first coat then dip too the tape on second coat. This keeps you from forming a ridge with the paint. We crest the area where the cap dip meets the stain too to help cover the transition area. Hang on wire or clothesline with clothespins to drip dry. If your paint is thinned correctly it will run off the nock end like water. Now the good news.... cleanup is as easy as pouring the paint back in a can and rinse dip tube with water, DONE !

Hope this helps, I have got great help from my tradgang brothers and sisters on here.

nocams  :campfire:
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: Grey Taylor on November 08, 2009, 02:46:00 PM
I use acrylic craft paints to do a brush-on crown. It works great for me.
I've had the best results doing the crown first and then staining the remainder of the shaft. If I stain the whole thing and then do the crown over the stain there can be coverage issues.

Guy
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: Wannabe1 on November 08, 2009, 09:26:00 PM
Got the shafts sealed tonight. Here they are hanging to dry. Per Mr. Stouts instuctions, I put the cloth behind to enhance the the photo of the shafts.
(http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/TradNut/100_0127.jpg)
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Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: DesertDude on November 08, 2009, 09:32:00 PM
Looking good,
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: Wannabe1 on November 08, 2009, 09:36:00 PM
Sad thing is Mark, the pictures make them look better than they really are. For some reason the shafts are not smoothing up like I was hoping. Got 4 coats of Urathane on them.
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: DesertDude on November 08, 2009, 09:40:00 PM
we need to b.s. on the phone 760-289-2013
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: Grey Taylor on November 08, 2009, 10:32:00 PM
I don't use the same topcoat as you but after two coats of gasket lacquer I hit the shafts with the fiber pad equivalent of 4/0 steel wool. Another coat of GL and the finish smooths right out.

Guy
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: snag on November 09, 2009, 09:26:00 AM
After staining and allowing them to dry up I steel wool them before dipping the crown. The stain will raise the fibers a bit. The steel wool will nock those off and smooth it up again. I'm not a big fan of any type of spray. You get a superior finish with dipping. This is just what I have experienced. You can build fairly cheap dip tubes with PVC.
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: Wannabe1 on November 09, 2009, 12:29:00 PM
I discovered that I don't particularly like the spray myself. The problem with dipping is I don't have a lot of room to work but, my be able to rig something up. Before my next batch, I will have some thing going.
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: Wannabe1 on November 09, 2009, 11:31:00 PM
Well, here are 3 of the arrows fletched up and ready for field tips. 2 on the jigs and one bareshaft (not pictured) so that I can tune it to my bow. I used 5.5" sheild cut feathers, Duco, Bohning Classic nocks, True Center taper tool from 3Rivers to do the tips. I'll be using 160gr tips and will post shooting results in another post. Thanks for going along and especially thanks to Snag (David) and Desert Dude (Mark) for all the tips and suggestions. My next half dozen will be a little better and easier thanks to what I learned on these.   :thumbsup:
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Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: DesertDude on November 10, 2009, 12:41:00 AM
Looking good, I'll pick up my surewoods on the 11th.
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: snag on November 10, 2009, 09:20:00 AM
They're coming together! Love it when you can start fletching. Good helical on those feathers.
Title: Re: 1st Time Arrow Build & Build Along.
Post by: quackersnacker on November 10, 2009, 05:53:00 PM
Boy they look great!  I've been toying with the idea of trying my hand at it, and Dog-Gone-It, you are making it look easy! I've been putting feathers and wraps on my goldtips and that was addicting enough.