What do you all consider Trad. archery hunting? Do carbon arrows qualify? What if you use sights? Recurves seem to be ok. Anyway just curious what you all think.
As long as it doesn't have wheels you're good to go :thumbsup:
You'll find a few people who might try to narrow it further, but for the most part people around here are pretty open minded and it's all good. :cool:
Anything you see here on TradGang!
stick and string and arrow.....and having fun.....enjoy every shot...every breath...every moment....climb in a tree....sit on the ground...do what you want to do the way YOU want to do it ....if that is not "trad" enough for a bunch of people on the internet that is there cross to bear not mine....i enjoy archery but all the hot air and critisism gets old quick...we have to realize that we are all on the same team ..... but that is just my two cents
Yup. sights, stabilizers,elevated rests, berger buttons, limb savers are all ok as long as it doesnt have wheels...PR
Is it that time again?
:archer:
Killdeer
QuoteOriginally posted by robtattoo:
Is it that time again? [/QUOTE
To everything there is a season; to many things it comes at least annually.
DEja Vu
I remember a time when we didn't have to ask what a bow and arrow was 8^(.
We didn't call them traditional bows, and we didn't call it traditional archery, until the compound device came along. So what do you think that tells you? One can pontificate on the subject till the cows come home, but there is no ephiphany! It's anything before compounds.
No stinking wheels....no stinking let-off.
Well....that's about it. Continue.
traditional for me is a stick and string,instinctive shooting and wooden arrows. I love archery and i dont pass judgement on anyone else, even compound shooters. So it doesnt matter if traditional for some one else is stabilzers and carbon arrows as long as it makes them happy.
FRUSTRATION!!!!
AND JOY!!!! :D
Beyond wheels....it's whatever each person thinks it is TO THEM. They can't define it FOR YOU.
To me it is as much a state of mind as an issue of equipment.
It is all traditional archery. Passing down a tradition to the next generation, whether compound or recurve.
It's something to discuss and argue about until
one's mouth is drier than salt, then the bows
come out and arrows start flying, then hot coffee,
or a cold beer, or a good single-malt is consumed,
then what they were arguing about in the first place is soon forgotten...
until someone else joins the group
with their brand spankin' new single-bevel
Scythe Head-'O-SweetDeath 19%+ EFOC BH shot from a 2-strand FF
string with concave bowlimbs made outta Unobtanium;
they're wearing a plaid armguard and ASAT underwear with a Kromer hat
lined with Scent-Lok and carbon shafts stuffed with
silicon-impregnated brass inserts and 4-fletched arrows
(both LW and RW!) and then the "VOID" is mentioned vis-a-vis
'deer anatomy' whilst all in the same breath
wood vs. carbon vs. aluminium is mentioned
and it all begins anew
It's "Traditional" and IMHO,
I would not have it any other way;
welcome to the fray :D
Old Stout household proverb:
"If, ifs and buts, were candy and nuts, we would have Christmas everyday."
For me, "traditional archery" is the pure enjoyment of archery. It's romance and intrigue all wrapped up in a perfect target shot at an unknown distance. Or the imaginings, soft as a whisper on the wind, of the spirit of a Bear; breathing in your ear, "A little closer son, just let him take a few more steps..."
Your shadow on the ground, with recurve or longbow limbs bent in a beautiful arc. The sight of a perfect ball of feathers, spinning into the center of your 'spot'.
I can take some joy in a well executed shot from a rifle, or even a compound...for about 5 minutes. I can shoot my "stick" bows for all day, and go to bed wishing for more light.
I believe there are a few "epiphanys" left out there, especially for those of us who grew up in what was, by and large, quickly becoming a compound era. --The first time it all comes together, whether at the target mat, or in the deer woods... That first good pull on a bow you built yourself... Each will have his or her own (that probably differ greatly from mine). To others, it's just what has always been right.
For some it's a hobby, to some a sport, still others consider it a way of life; a means to an end, or a new beginning. Food for the soul, or just a perfect past-time, it's some good stuff!
:campfire:
By basic definition to me, it's holding the full weight of the bow at anchor with no mechanical advantage.
Sights and stabilizers were around long before compounds. So were elevated rests, adjustable rests, metal risers, mechanical release aids, aluminum arrows, fiberglass arrows etc. etc. etc. They are all part of the traditional era of archery George is familiar with.
Compounds were still kinda new when I started but were coming on strong. I do recall relatives and others still shooting recurves when I was a kid but most were already going to compounds. My first bow was a recurve too so they were still common. That was back in the days of the old Bear Polar, Polar II and Whitetail Hunter compounds if that dates me.
Dave:
I remember the Whitetail Hunter being latest and greatest bow out there -- we must be about the same age. Looking back, it is hard to believe anyone would switch from a recurve to shoot the Whitetail Hunter -- It was LOUD and UGLY and really did not fling an arrow that fast. Of course, I was one of those people.
Paul
Dido MCNSC and all others above, plus the smell of wool cloths and broken ceder arrows.
Kris
I've said it before but here goes again. About the time you think you are trad because you are shooting a longbow you made yourself and are wearing authentic buckskins, somewhere there is a guy using a selfbow he whittled out of a tree from his backyard, buck naked & smeared with wood ash, who is dismissing you as a clothes wearing pansy short cutter... :D
Come on, George. Don't hold back. Tell us what you really think!!!! LOL Seriously though. It does seem pretty clear AND it pretty clearly isn't that important (except to those who shoot competitivley rather than for fun).
I have a twist to add to this question! If when the compound came along made us trad, what is the bowrifle(crossbow) doing to the compound?
crossbows were around waaaaaaayyyy before compound bows.
you are right, I ment to say what have modern crossbows done to compounds!
Searching for the words "what" and "trad" in PowWow subjects yields this list. I trimmed out the ones that didn't seem relevant to your question:
What is Tradition??!!?? 21 January, 2010 PowWow
what is traditional to you? 18 January, 2010 PowWow
What is Traditional Archery? 20 October, 2009 PowWow
What makes it a Trad Bow? 13 July, 2009 PowWow
what does trad archery mean to you 13 April, 2009 PowWow
What does "traditional hunting" mean, to you? 11 March, 2009 PowWow
Nobody over fifty years old should even ask this question. I will assume the others just plain don't know and have to ask, over and over. Before Mr. Hollis Allen, presented his device for patent and manufacturer, we were just archers and bowhunters, shooting bows and arrows. No one had to ask..."what is traditional?" If they had, they would have been told, a lever action 30:30 and a Woolrich Red/Black suit. :saywhat: :knothead:
I guess the most important question is, "What do the founders of TradGang.com consider as traditional archery?"
'Cause if it ain't trad, it ain't allowed here!
QuoteOriginally posted by GingivitisKahn:
Searching for the words "what" and "trad" in PowWow subjects yields this list. I trimmed out the ones that didn't seem relevant to your question:
What is Tradition??!!?? 21 January, 2010 PowWow
what is traditional to you? 18 January, 2010 PowWow
What is Traditional Archery? 20 October, 2009 PowWow
What makes it a Trad Bow? 13 July, 2009 PowWow
what does trad archery mean to you 13 April, 2009 PowWow
What does "traditional hunting" mean, to you? 11 March, 2009 PowWow
i think one of those were mine, :) sorry i didn't know any better. i see now that this is a fairly common ? that pops up every once and a while. lol
QuoteOriginally posted by NDTerminator:
I've said it before but here goes again. About the time you think you are trad because you are shooting a longbow you made yourself and are wearing authentic buckskins, somewhere there is a guy using a selfbow he whittled out of a tree from his backyard, buck naked & smeared with wood ash, who is dismissing you as a clothes wearing pansy short cutter... :D
That one is funny for sure!!!
I'm pretty much stayin' out of this one..........but I'll keep checkin' back (if nothing else but to read George's posts).
These always give me a good chuckle. This one is pretty much time-dependent.......basically not much of a discussion topic if you grew up in the "TBC"....time before compounds. Or, if you grew up in the "TBTWTWAWTWA" (say that 5 times real fast)....time before the word "traditional" was associated with the word archery.
Have fun.........
"What is traditional archery?"
Beauty!
QuoteOriginally posted by Whip:
As long as it doesn't have wheels you're good to go :thumbsup:
You'll find a few people who might try to narrow it further, but for the most part people around here are pretty open minded and it's all good. :cool:
Yep.
wish i wouldnt have clicked on this one.shhweeew.
QuoteOriginally posted by hunterace:
QuoteOriginally posted by GingivitisKahn:
Searching for the words "what" and "trad" in PowWow subjects yields this list. I trimmed out the ones that didn't seem relevant to your question:
What is Tradition??!!?? 21 January, 2010 PowWow
what is traditional to you? 18 January, 2010 PowWow
What is Traditional Archery? 20 October, 2009 PowWow
What makes it a Trad Bow? 13 July, 2009 PowWow
what does trad archery mean to you 13 April, 2009 PowWow
What does "traditional hunting" mean, to you? 11 March, 2009 PowWow
i think one of those were mine, :) sorry i didn't know any better. i see now that this is a fairly common ? that pops up every once and a while. lol [/b]
Been there done that!
:bigsmyl:
for starters, trad gang is actually not about 'traditional archery' - we are a community of 'traditional bowhunters'. :)
'tradtional bowhunting' as a sport and lifestyle that employs ...
a weapon - an archery bow which is comprised of a stick made from a single piece of wood or multiple pieces of organic and/or synthetic materials, braced and bent by a single cord made from organic or synthetic materials that are attached at each end of said stick. no other weapon can be considered for the act of 'traditional bowhunting'.
an arrow - a bow is not a weapon unless it's mated with a missile, that cylindrical length of wood, metal, composite synthetic fibers that is fletched with vanes from birds (or plastic), and is terminated with a killing point comprising two or three or four static cut-on-contact blades of razor sharp steel or stone or glass.
the act of shooting - we nock our arrow, hold our bow with one hand and our bow string with the fingers of our other hand (or thumbring, or chew strap), pull back our bowstring, hold the full weight of the bent stick with our back, shoulders and arms, take aim with our eyes and relax our string fingers (or thumbring or chew strap) to release our arrow towards its intended mark.
we hunt - to ethically and legally harvest wild free roaming game, primarily for human consumption ... and to again become one with nature, nourish our mind and spirit, to share the joy and camaraderie and beauty and the adventure of the bow and the arrow and the hunt with other brothers (and sisters) of the bow ... and fulfill a core destiny on this blue planet, as has been handed down by our Higher Power and our ancestors.
QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:
an arrow - a bow is not a weapon unless it's mated with a missile, that cylindrical length of wood, metal, composite synthetic fibers that is fletched with vanes from birds (or plastic), and is terminated with a killing point comprising two or three or four static cut-on-contact blades of razor sharp steel or stone or glass.
A lot of traditional bowhunters use replacable-blade broadheads like Thunderheads or Muzzys (non Phantoms).
QuoteOriginally posted by Jason R. Wesbrock:
QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:
an arrow - a bow is not a weapon unless it's mated with a missile, that cylindrical length of wood, metal, composite synthetic fibers that is fletched with vanes from birds (or plastic), and is terminated with a killing point comprising two or three or four static cut-on-contact blades of razor sharp steel or stone or glass.
A lot of traditional bowhunters use replacable-blade broadheads like Thunderheads or Muzzys (non Phantoms). [/b]
do those removable blades move when they fly or hit? ya, right,
Rob,
I'm sure you're aware of this, but not all broadheads fall into the categories of "cut-on-contact" or "mechanical."
Traditional to me is anything that was BC (before compounds). Some people want to confuse this with primitive archery (which it can be but is not necessary)
jason,
i s'pose one could write several pages defining in minutiae what is 'a traditional bowhunting broadhead'. i have in mind a state legal width pointy head with static, exposed sharpened blades of the c-o-c kind. lots more could be in that definition, but the preceding sentence is the essence of my thoughts and separates from the dynamic heads.
oh yeah, no chisel points! :D
what'cha got in mind?
I think traditional archery hunting is what every hunter predator takes from it individually.
I don't think any one of us can tell another traditional archer what it means in general.
We all do what we do because we were led here for our individual reasons. A lot of the stories come close, I know I heard a lot of the stories. I started hunting traditional back when I was a kid, went to compound got tired of that, more like bored with that. I came back to traditional because I love to see the arrow in flight. I love shooting, Love just walking with my bow. Hunting is just a bonus. Sound familiar.
Bruce :archer:
QuoteOriginally posted by Old York:
It's something to discuss and argue about until
one's mouth is drier than salt, then the bows
come out and arrows start flying, then hot coffee,
or a cold beer, or a good single-malt is consumed,
then what they were arguing about in the first place is soon forgotten...
until someone else joins the group
with their brand spankin' new single-bevel
Scythe Head-'O-SweetDeath 19%+ EFOC BH shot from a 2-strand FF
string with concave bowlimbs made outta Unobtanium;
they're wearing a plaid armguard and ASAT underwear with a Kromer hat
lined with Scent-Lok and carbon shafts stuffed with
silicon-impregnated brass inserts and 4-fletched arrows
(both LW and RW!) and then the "VOID" is mentioned vis-a-vis
'deer anatomy' whilst all in the same breath
wood vs. carbon vs. aluminium is mentioned
and it all begins anew
It's "Traditional" and IMHO,
I would not have it any other way;
welcome to the fray :D
:thumbsup:
A question that wasn't asked prior to 1970. Rick.