Anybody know anything about the new Grizzlystick Adcock?
http://www.alaskabowhunting.com/GrizzlyStik-Adcock-Bow-P209C52.aspx
I haven't seen it mentioned here and I have searched but not found anything.
There are some details on the link but does anybody know any more about the project?
Seems to be a lame marketing ploy to me.
its a new design by O.L. Adcock. the limbs will be different from his original acs design and those of A.H. Archery. in other words a whole new beast. it will be designed to shoot a hunting arrow (10 gpp) 200fps. or at least that was their goal. there is carbon in the limbs as well as the riser. they are in the final stages of design and testing, and it will be available this winter. price tag will be somewhere around $1300. call ed at alaska bowhunting supply for any info.
Well regardless of the marketing if OL designs it the bow will be a good one.Way out of my price range of course but hope to see and hear one shot one day.
No worse a marketing ploy than the Ashby broadheads or the Tred Barta Bow/armguard/pack/blunt.
It's way out of my price range, but if OL designed it the thing is really going to shoot an arrow!
Hmmm not sure why it would be a marketing ploy, as others have said if it's being done with the help of O.L and I doubt he would risk his reputation on such a thing.
Will keep an eye on it, but the price might push it past what I can afford.
i wonder what the waiting time will be
I would like to see more about it or even a picture.
I believe you can see some video of it in the testing phase on the alaskan bowhunting website.
If it is as good as the A&H it will be another winner-but why wait? And isn't this one being made in Asia?
LOL.... marketing ploy.... like OL needs a 'ploy' to sell his bows.
ak.
Can't wait to shoot one to see how it compares to his original and the A & H....asia or not! :)
QuoteOriginally posted by Al Kidner:
LOL.... marketing ploy.... like OL needs a 'ploy' to sell his bows.
ak.
It's not really OL selling the bows from what I can see. Made by Win and Win and sold through ABH.
I have shot the bow Tom, so what your spin about a marketing ploy?
Hey Joey! What was your impression about the bow?
Sounds like it's gonna be sweet. It sure is a shame that our fine designed USA products have to be made elsewhere. :( I guess we are all guilty of trying to save a few dollars.
I'm sure it will be a good bow, just like I'm sure the Ashby heads are great broadheads. Are either of them worth the price you pay for them? Well that depends on the individual. As for me, no way!
I thought things were built in Asia to keep costs down. I wonder how much they would cost if they were built in America?
Ed should take part of that as a compliment. He is THE single best marketeer in the archery industry.
Ed is beyond-talented at marketing and could sell the proverbial ice cube to an eskimo!
$1300 is no more than most of the high end bows cost, they are all that much or more. The Adcock ACS limb design is proven and no matter who makes it if the quality control is good it will be a great bow. The design has a paten for a reason.
Danny
Danny A&H Archery owns the ACS patent.The bow Alaskan Bowhunting is building will NOT be an ACS bow.Just wanted to clear the confusion on that as John Harvard has already done in another thread about this bow.
James,
The A&H stands for Adcock and Harvard though A&H is now a seperate company from O.L. Adcock bows. I do not believe O.L. has given up his rights to the design, could be wrong, but it is his design.
From what was posted above, I believe this is a new limb design by O.L. that will be different from his original ACS and that of A&H.
Danny
Really don't understand the price, 1300 for a bow made in Asia. I would of thought the reason was to bring the cost down. Why would I pay the same for a bow of theirs made elsewhere. Doesn't add up to me.
I don't post much, but I will chime in on the Asia thing.
I have shot olympic style archery my whole life and have extensive experience with this type of bow (most of which are made in Korea). Other than Hoyt, basically all of the world class limbs are made in Korea as they have a tradition of archery, sound engineering, and very precise production to a high standard. These three things allow them to make a bows that are the highest performing ones out there. From my experience, even my newest Hoyt limbs can't hang with the best Korean ones in the speed deptartment.
Point is, the bow is being made in Korea (IMHO) because they are capable of making superb bows (as nice as a handcrafted one) in a production setting..........something we really don't do in the USA. It is not made in "Asia" to save money (I would guess) since most nicer Korean set ups run higher than their Hoyt or Euro counterparts already.
Just my $0.02
matt
p.s. can't wait to try one if it is actuallt being built from the ground up as a heavy arrow slinger.
Matt,
I'm not trying to bash Asia but if they are making the bow in Asia because it will be made better, given the price, would that then mean that the American made version will cost less.
Danny,
A&H Archery owns all rights to the ACS design and patent. O.L. has the right to personally build a limited number of bows each year utilizing the patented technology but he cannot use such technology when working with others.
Both he and Ed have assured me that this bow will have limbs with a conventional cross section. No doubt they will work closely with WinWin to use top-notch materials, but it cannot and will not be based on the patented technology now owned exclusively by A&H.
I have wished both of them well in this new venture!
It will be interesting to see what this bow can do. It looks like this bow is gonna cost more than my car. I am hoping to try the ACS design when I get to Michigan in a week or so. As for the bow being made in Asia, I knew about the Koreans and their archery success even before I started archery. I look forward to the first usage reports.
I just went to the site and watched the videos. The first one is interesting. An unfletched arrow with a broadhead on it. It looks like it came out straight. I would think the wings were on the wrong end of the arrow.
It's going to be a very nice product. Alaska Bowhunting Supply wanted to add a bow line to compliment their accesories. They looked no further than their ole personal friend O.L Adcock to help them with the engineering. Manufacture wise,they found a high quality company in the Koreans that need no introduction. Simple math here guys. It seems to me ABS is just trying to put another quality product out there. They probably will not sell it at cost since they have bills to pay like the rest of us. :)
I suppose its like me- I owe, I owe so it's off to work I go. Or- I owe, I owe, so I gotta sell this bow.
I am looking forward to the test results on this bow. I doubt I will ever afford one, but will be interested to see how improved the design is.
Well the smartest thing they are doing is having it built overseas.They have the production facilities to build it and have it on the shelf before someone is too old to use one. :D I have much rather have one built in a factory somewhere using the technology for consistancy than waiting 2 years for one built in a garage somewhere.Ideas are great but you have to have the means of produceing goods to sale or it means nothing. jmho
If it's not made in the USA I ain't interested. Just my opinion.
This Aussie would still prefer to buy American-made bows.
QuoteOriginally posted by joebuck:
I have shot the bow Tom, so what your spin about a marketing ploy?
I don't understand the question.
I agree we need jobs in this country without outsourcing more jobs overseas. Especially here in Michigan.
Kinda hurts the soul....
We can build those bows.
Lots of good or great bows to be had without a long wait. Custom is still custom.
I can understand why they will be built overseas, With all the unemployement here, I still can not find good help. With 3 full time workers in our shop plus me in the office (Barb is full time in the office) and me in the shop, we are still 3-6 months on new bows. And need to do more and need more help. At 62 I would like more time to hunt and travel while I still can.I would also like some benfits for our employees, It can not be done the way things are now.
Custom doesn't mean One person making one bow at a time in his garage or basement. Custom homes , Cars,are never built by one person. But by people that are very good at one particlar trade all working together. The same thing with bows.
I do know the recurve limbs from Korean are some of the best shooting limbs we can get here in the US. They have the support form there goverment to stay on top. Here we have, who knows 50,100,150?? Custom bowyers most of which are 1 man operations in there spare time or full time with 2 years waiting lists, for what??? a prettier bow that shoots 3 fps faster. Very few will share ideas to really improve todays bows. Some do....
"With all the unemployement here, I still can not find good help."
Sadly thats true of alot of place's and differnt profession's.
Too bad you'd be such a long commute Being a toolmaker gets old sometimes a change of pace could be nice LOL ofcourse the grass is always greener on the other side reguardless of which side you stand on
As for the bow Good luck guys
I'll take a set of Ohio made limbs please Bob. Thanks.
Larry, I got skins on your Ohio built limbs this evening, should be about a week...
Tom McDonald...i'm a garage bowyer at times :) , i have shot the prototype O.L designed and was made overseas. I have read the "press release' concerning the bow. I know a little bit on how a good bow should perform in the field and have had a little success in the past at some archery events that decorate my office.so i know how to shoot one....In short, i think the marketing is justified IMO..it is a nice shooting bow.It's O.L. Adcock engineered. :) enough said.......now your in where? Australia ? what are your experiences shooting and handling this bow that you profess this is just a "marketing ploy?".
Joe, the term "marketing ploy" may not be one I agree with, but I'd like to observe with some bewilderment that some top-notch gentlemen in the industry take some poetic licence to sell their excellent products. Again, these are fine gentlemen who help me out a lot, providing excellent service and products. I will continue to be a repeat customer for these companies, but I find their claims to be somewhat over-the-top:
"Learn how to shoot this bow, and you will take more game than you would with any other." I love the bow, but hmmmm...
"The World's Most Deadly Broadhead!" Really? Well, obviously Ed Ashby got it wrong by not recommending it to hunt buffalo with, as by the sounds of it, it would easily take elephant and hippo.
"Catalogue for the Master Bowhunter." So, if I don't have any of this gear, the outcome won't be what it could? Poor old Howard and Fred - they never really cut the grade according to this.
Again, these statements are made by businesses owned by first-class gentlemen, and I'll continue to support them, because I really do like some of their products.
I must be pretty old-fashioned, because even though I should just accept that this is part of living in a modern, business-driven world, such claims don't sit well with me.
Once again, I would like to add that I can still like and respect a bloke even if I don't agree with everything he might write about his product.
Bob, I Agree with your statement about custom Bows. I was a "custom" home builder for a long time,I had the job of meeting the customers wants. No doubt the Koreans build some great bows But they,In my opinion, are production bows. Nothing wrong with that. A customers choice will be poundage and length. A Chevy is not a custom car. They may be a good car, but not custom. Truth be told tho, with O.L's design and win win making it, I am sure it will shoot. custom or not. It just seems wrong that we have to get SO MUCH of our stuff from over seas.
Ben, it's been said.."If you say it enough, it must be true".
I just don't get it though. If it is production made how can it be custom? You aren't going to be able to ask for antler tips and snake backing. So to me I don't understand.
Custom
made or done to order for a particular customer
If I were to spend that kind of money I would want it to be one of a kind... for a particular customer. Like you can get from Morrison.
Oh foam core limbs with a copper head backing, my own pick of some sweat looking wood that Bob has all dried and ready to go with a smooth draw for my 26 inches at 48 pounds. Someday.
Ben , i am having a hard time to find any evidence in your claims that ABS used " poetic justice" you say they have. Lets break down each of your claims.
You stated
"Learn how to shoot this bow, and you will take more game than you would with any other."
Here is ABS ad anouncing their bow.Cannot find your claim.
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jmb1221/ABSAdcock.jpg)
You stated;
"Catalogue for the Master Bowhunter." So, if I don't have any of this gear, the outcome won't be what it could?
heres the cover of ABS catalog. At the bottom it states it's is Master Hunting Catalog....not a peep about your claim for the master Bowhunter. Cabelas has a Master Catalog.etc.
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/jmb1221/ABScover.jpg)
You stated. ABS claims
"The World's Most Deadly Broadhead!"
i can not find this statement anywhere. I did find where ABS states the head as the Ultimate head on Big heavy bone game but that's understandable since they built this head from Ashby studies. Their peer group for example Snuffer also claims to be the Ultimate 3 Blade head, ABowyer, finest custom head, Simmons sharks " are the best BH on market today....etc...etc.
In closing Ben I respect your oppinion and views but i do not find any of your statements accurate by the "Poetic marketing" slogans you have put in ABS's mouth. Exaggerations are a dangerous tool in open forums such as this. Lets call a Kangeroo a kangeroo on here not a Wallaby. :) respectfully Joey Buchanan, lifelong ABS customer
Ben never said those statements were by ABS.
Joey, You just misread and misquoted Ben.
Soooo, non-custom made, asian made, overpriced, i still can't wait to shoot one! ;) :campfire:
No i didn't Steve, he politely insinuates with craftful mis-qoutes on a thread that is Titled.... Grizsticks Adcock.
Vern...name of this thread is Grizstick Adcock...so Ben is talking about another bow?
There is a saying that goes something like this..."dont tinkle down my back and say it's raining!"
There is no question in my mind Ben was needling at ABS due to the fact he posts his oppinion under this thread. otherwise i will stand corrected.
I'm still waiting on his countryman Tom Campbell to prove his marketing ploy theory?
I read this type of bush wacking on here all the time. I find it tasteless and unprofessional. We have many fine companies on here that reputation is everything. Most of these suppliers and vendors struggle to pay their light bill or employees. Yet i read guys on here throwing vendors to the curb for a decision the company has to make just to stay afloat.
If some of you could walk in these trad vendors shoes for a day, i think your fingers would not be as quick.
No he didn't Joey. He was painting a generic picture of archery advertsising to make a point and NOT of ABS specifically.
I personnaly don't think Ben would do what you said he did.
Or are Vermonster13 and I both wrong and need reading comprehension lessons?
Joey, you are letting facts get in the way of a good argument!
Steve , what's your dog in this fight? You kill your buff with Ben or pimping a future trip? :)
Only Ben can tell us was he ribbing ABS.
But heres the coincidence
I challenged his countryman Tom on "marketing ploy" statement.
Then Ben chimes in with three examples of marketing he does not like
examples were
A bow
A broadhead
A Catalog
The Title of this thread "Grizstic Adcock"..ABS has it own line of BHs , a Nice catalog called Master and they are coming out with a bow.........
It's not raining either.
This would be same example if i posted under a thread titled "Snuffers are awesome"......then i posted "the 3 blade is really nice head but the spot welding is questionaable and lacks in penetration".....then someone calls me on the carpet to prove it and i say...."I didn't say it was Snuffer....no where in my thread i said it was snuffer".............zip your pants up Steve!!!!!!!
I am the same as you in this Joey, I have no dog in this fight, not sure why you think you do and are acting so rabid, or are you attempting to pimp some gear from Ed. My pants are zipped up, yours?
easy boys. the thread is about the bow. lets all take a breath and go hunting.
I have thought alot about this bow and have asked ABS alot of questions about it. I have never shot an ACS bow (I know this will NOT be an ACS) but what I hear about them is they are sweet. Will this bow outperm that? Time will tell. I have never made a bow before so maybe I am all wet. Is it possible for a machine to tiller a bow and make it shoot its sweetest? Many bowyers make individual bows, but they use the same molds don't they? As for being made outside the USA, I just threw away the banana I had in my lunch because it came from Ecuador, then threw my lunch box away cause it was made in China, then my laptop because it was made by Japan. All 3 things were from American companies. Will I buy this new bow? Maybe, but its an individual's choice. Each has to decide for his/her own. Now I am gonna take CJC's advice and go hunting because my boss is gonna fire me anyway when he see's I threw away my company laptop.
Steve asks."not sure why you think you do and are acting so rabid,"
here's my dog in the hunt. Original thread asks how the bow shot.
1. I have shot the bow and was one of the original field testers....thats a big dog point
2. I volunteer my time and help out with some small projects for ABS from time to time..click on their website, my info is on there...strong dog point there
3. i have had a personal and business ( customer) relationship with Ed for over 18 years..my most important dog point there.
Rabid? you say ... gosh i hope so! i do have some involvement with this company and a tiny bit of involvement this bow start up.
So Steve your whole involvement in this thread has been what? have you talked about the topic?
Your jabs and clever writing are funny and i take them friendly.... :) ....but contribute something instead of stirring the pot.
My whole dog in this thread Joey is that you jumped to conclusions and stretched what someone said into something they DIDN'T say in a very rude manor.
Ben is one of the single most polite individuals on TradGang and was undeserving on the above critisism and I have had several PM's agreeing with me that your remarks were out of context.
BTW, I agree Ed is a nice man and beyond that I have no need or use for the bow in question, not my style, but I think you have given him some negative publicity by association.
joebuck,
Are you allowed to give your impressions of the bow since you have shot it? I might have missed it or maybe you are sworn to secrecy by a non disclosure agreement. I would like to hear about your experience with this bow if you can share. Thanks
Greg
Somebody close this thread. We do not need this kind of garbage on TG. Ben is a fine man and you have taken his post out of context. nuff said. Steve I commend you for sticking up for Ben, nuff said.
Who cares where a bow is made, to each his own.
Lets all go hunting!
I've owned an O.L. bow, thought it was fantastic. I have a bunch of stuff with the ABS name on it, and think they are all high quality items. I have a pair of W&W limbs on my DAS, and would put them up against any limb ever made. I can't wait to see a bow that's a joint venture between these three.
Steve, i think Terry put it best when he said something along the lines of one sword sharpens another.
Go back and read my threads. I have inserted numerous smilie faces and qoutes like "i politely disagree" "in closing Ben I respect your oppinion"..rude?...rude?...... your reaching Steve and personally as a friend of yours or i thought, i am disappointed in you .
This thread started out as ? about the ABS bow. it has been littered with ABS bashing comments from "made oversees i ain't going to buy it" to "fabricated marketing jabs". I find it all very distasteful especially for a TG Sponsor.
Ben's reference to Ashby BH was a direct reference he was talking about ABS.
QuoteOriginally posted by Danny Rowan:
Somebody close this thread. We do not need this kind of garbage on TG. Ben is a fine man and you have taken his post out of context. nuff said. Steve I commend you for sticking up for Ben, nuff said.
Who cares where a bow is made, to each his own.
Lets all go hunting!
Can't argue with that....well I guess you coooould
:D