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Title: Broadheads
Post by: joekeith on September 29, 2009, 11:04:00 AM
Can you tell the difference between these two blades?
 (http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss116/joekeithspics/Archery/KG/PICT1204.jpg)

The one on the left cost $35. for 3.
The one on the right cost $75. for 3 on sale.
 I've shot them both, and can find no difference worth mentioning.  Both fly the same, and seem to be about the same hardness.
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Post by: b.glass on September 29, 2009, 11:07:00 AM
They look identical!
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Post by: doeboy on September 29, 2009, 11:40:00 AM
o.k. i'll bite, who makes them? i know the one set are silver flames....
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Post by: Groundpounder on September 29, 2009, 12:20:00 PM
the one on the right looks a little bigger at least the cut-outs do
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Post by: George D. Stout on September 29, 2009, 12:24:00 PM
They look deadly, but even 35.00 for 3 is to expensive for this old bow.  And they screw together?
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Post by: mscampbell75 on September 29, 2009, 12:57:00 PM
:eek:    :eek:    :eek:  $75 for 3.  Not for this fellow.  They better be heat seeking.
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Post by: Mo. Huntin on September 29, 2009, 04:48:00 PM
Man those look just a like. cept one looks bigger.  What are they bud.  That is interesting.
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Post by: soopernate on September 29, 2009, 04:56:00 PM
I can tell the difference...one is too expensive for me and the other is WAY too expensive for me.
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Post by: hunt it on September 29, 2009, 05:07:00 PM
One's made in China and the other in Germany! That's the difference! Same all over - get what you pay for - cars,tree stands,patio furniture and now broadheads. When everybody in N. America has no jobs they won't beable to afford the cheap ones either!   :readit:

When they start making Widows and Morrisons in China are you going to trust them? Not Me!
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Post by: Jesse Peltan on September 29, 2009, 08:56:00 PM
The threads look like a slightly different spiral. The one on the left looks wider.
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Post by: ChuckC on September 29, 2009, 09:00:00 PM
Probably an optical illusion, but the tip of the head on the left looks off center,  by a bunch.

I am afraid Dave (huntit) is on to something that we all need to be careful about.

ChuckC
Title: Re: Broadheads
Post by: joekeith on September 30, 2009, 12:20:00 AM
Nope, not made in China, made in Hungary.
I bought some of these awhile back after losing a SilverFlame tipped arrow to a turkey last fall.  Hadn't killed anything with them till recently.  There is a slight diff in the shape of them, but minor.  As far as quality I can't tell any diff.  And what sold me is the size cut it made.   (http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss116/joekeithspics/HPIM3015.jpg)
The owner just told me he's going on Holiday for a week.  After he's back we're going to see about some 1 1/2" -  200 grain tips. What other weights would most like ?
Title: Re: Broadheads
Post by: Night Wing on September 30, 2009, 11:22:00 AM
If screw in: 125gr, 130gr, 150 grain, 160gr, 175gr, 180gr, 200gr and 225gr.

I chose the above sizes because I shoot long 32" aluminum arrows out of my low poundage 42# recurve and 41# hybrid longbow. My recurve likes a 2215 with a 205 point weight so I have to shoot a 75 grain steel adapter with a 130 grain glue on STOS broadhead. My longbow likes a 2016 tipped with a 160 point weight so I shoot the same 130 grain STOS, but with a 36gr Zwickey aluminum long broadhead adapter. I sharpen this head to get it down to 160 grains. The longbow also likes a 2114 with a 185 grain tip weight. Finding a broadhead has a been a problem for the 2114. I've been shooting a 145 grain glue on STOS attached to the same 36gr Zwickey aluminum long broadhead adapter and after sharpening this head, I have to add at least one 5 grain brass weight washer to get it up to 185 grains.

The present SilverFlames would do the trick, but they're just too expensive for my tastes.
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Post by: BobW on September 30, 2009, 11:35:00 AM
"A sagittis hungarorum libera nos Domine" - keeps making sence....
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Post by: Biggie Hoffman on September 30, 2009, 02:46:00 PM
The head design is not the "big deal" but the extreme sharpness is for the SF. Is the knockoff as sharp? Same grade of S/S?
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Post by: blind one on September 30, 2009, 02:54:00 PM
They do look sweet, I dont see a difference...Roy
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Post by: KentuckyTJ on September 30, 2009, 02:57:00 PM
I would bet the metal is different. Maybe not but would be a pretty sure thing.
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Post by: hunt it on September 30, 2009, 04:26:00 PM
Sorry, Hungary not China but in my opinion same thing. A 150% nock off for 1/3 the price. If someone offers you a  100 grand Mercedes for 30 grand its an nock off made with much cheaper materials. As you can tell I'm just not thrilled with the latest trend - to take a quality piece that someone has spent $$$$ on research and developement and production and then copy it and offer it for 1/3 the price. All the while preaching it as just as good when it's far from it. Now if the cheaper version suits your needs and your happy then great for you. I'll take quality and craftmenship over quantity anyday. I like the fact that there are still people willing to strive to make things better than the old model. I'm afraid this new trend is going to deter those as everyone settles for cheaper.
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Post by: whitetail56 on September 30, 2009, 05:41:00 PM
I know that one is a Silverflame but dont know what the other is. Can you tell me the brand name and where can I get some?
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Post by: John Scifres on September 30, 2009, 05:43:00 PM
As a Product Manager for a small, innovative company, that has been robbed by knock-offs on many occasions, I can tell you, it pisses me off.  If you are shooting $25 heads already, you probably don't care about price.  And you're probably not shooting the head just because it's sharp.

If you care about price, you buy a knock-off and play the wannabe who wants to look like they can afford to shoot the $25 head.
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Post by: Mo. Huntin on September 30, 2009, 06:29:00 PM
Wannabe who wants to look like they can afford the $25 head.
Dang.
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Post by: Uncle Buck on September 30, 2009, 06:47:00 PM
I agree with the ati knockoff comments 100%. the Reason most us us got into traditional archery was to do it(archery) the right way- the hard way. If you think silver Flames are worth the money,  save up for them. TO rip off a company that has done all the R&D and marketing just isnt right
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Post by: Soilarch on September 30, 2009, 08:14:00 PM
Knock off or not...(moot point, look at 'em)

At 1/3 the price I don't think we would have to question whether the materials and manufacturing tolerances are the same.  

The questions are:

Do they suite your fancy?

Are they worth   their price?
Title: Re: Broadheads
Post by: 30coupe on September 30, 2009, 09:56:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by soopernate:
I can tell the difference...one is too expensive for me and the other is WAY too expensive for me.
I was thinking exactly the same thing.    :eek:    :scared:    

For $22 I can get a 6-pack of Zwickey Deltas, which, by the way, have killed every type of game animal on this planet. As George L. Herter used to say, "You can't get deader than dead."
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Post by: SlowBowinMO on November 03, 2009, 11:22:00 AM
Just a point of interest for posterity.  My friend in Spain bought some of these to try (the Hungarian knock offs).  He says they look okay but they are not even remotely sharp, "butter knives" were his exact words actually.

He hasn't tried to put an edge on them yet.