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Title: A few POC staining questions
Post by: Zmonster on September 22, 2009, 07:56:00 PM
Im thinking of trying my hand at my first set of wood arrows.

Q1: Ide like to try the Watco danish finish, but was wondering how to go about it. Ive read here to soak them for about 24hrs, then let them drip dry. Those of you that do soak them; are you just filling a PVC pipe with the stain? Thats alot of stain to purchase. Is there a more cost effective way?

Q2: How do you go about the two tone stain Ive seen on some arrows? i.e Natural and walnut separated by cresting.

Q3: What benefit do dip tubes with gasket caps provide? Are they necessary?

Kind regards.
Casey
Title: Re: A few POC staining questions
Post by: reddogge on September 22, 2009, 08:02:00 PM
Q1 I use analine dyes and just apply them with a rag and rubber gloves.
Q2 Stain before applying finish.  I must use a crest when using stain for a cap or on the foreshaft as it hides the irregular line you get with stain or dye.  Then apply a coat of finish, crest, and then you finishing coats.
Q3 I use wipe on poly so no dip tubes necessary.
Title: Re: A few POC staining questions
Post by: Grey Taylor on September 22, 2009, 09:51:00 PM
Q1 I think that procedure is for soaking the shaft in the Watco stain to atain particular benefits. I just use analine dye, Rit dye, or regular woodworking stain and apply with a cheap foam brush.
Q2 Apply the two colors seperately. Do the second after the first is dry. Cresting covers where they meet.
Q3 The gasket system is for applying gasket lacquer. It's not needed for applying stains.

My general procedure is to stain, let dry, crest, let dry, and then coat with gasket lacquer.

Guy
Title: Re: A few POC staining questions
Post by: Fletcher on September 22, 2009, 10:06:00 PM
Q1:  I've not used the Watco oil, but know a few who do the soak thing to increase the shaft weight.  They use a PVC tube with caps, but one just big enuf to hold a doz shafts or so, maybe 1 1/4 inch, so it doesn't really take that much finish.  They will often soak for several days, not just one, and the oil takes several days to dry, if it ever really does.  I would still recommend a couple coats of polyurethane over it.

Q2:  Make a light pencil mark on the shafts where you want the stains to meet and stain the sections with your chosen colors.  The crest is only needed for cosmetics.  With a little practice, you can freehand a pretty good line with the stain, or if you must, use tape.  If cresting, leave an unstained section for the crest.  Most crests look better with a white base coat.

Q3:  The fancy dip tubes are pretty handy, but not necessary.  The small tube with the bell top allows you to use a small amount of finish without having to refill once or twice per dozen.  They are kinda pricey, but if you do a few doz, they are very worthwhile.  The gaskets are only for use with the "gasket lacquer" finish.  I prefer a good oil base polyurethane thinned about 3 or 4 to 1  For the occasional doz, a cheap golf club tube with a couple of rubber stoppers makes a very serviceable tube.  Stopper it between coats and when done, return the unused finish to the can and toss the tube; it's not worth cleaning.  Keep the stoppers for the next time.  You can also forgo the dip tube and just wipe the finish on.  Reg poly will work fine, you don't need the wipe on stuff.  Always wear gloves.

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