I've had one of these for a while, but have not had too much time to mess with it, but since I am preparing for an upcoming hunt, I decided to try it. I've got the knife sharpener, which also works for broadheads. All I can say, is WOW! The thing works flawlessly! Anyone who has ever had trouble getting a 2 blade head to easily shave hair needs to invest in one of these babies!
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You got it!
Just bought one last night myself! After reading Mr. Lamb's post, I had to.
Been using mine also on some grizzlys. I use the flat of a course 6" grinding wheel to set the bevel. Worked great.
I must need some better stones. I bought one of the BH jigs and tried it on my Smith's diamond stones and I really was not happy with the results. After messing around for 30 minutes, I could get an edge of sorts on my STOS and Magnus, but no where near the results I so often hear about on here. I am able to get my 2-blades much sharper, much faster with a file and croc sticks.
pseman..... i have the broadhead jig and am extremely happy with my 2 blade zwickeys..they are shaving hair nicely.... Here is what worked very good for me.... i bought a 2 sided coarse/fine diamond stone... i use the coarse side until im shaving hairs... make sure the broadhead is clamped so that you are making contact with the blade on the stone and not the underside of the clamp......FLOOD WITH OIL....follow the directions on rons video (its on his website) ...then use the fine side to finish up.... sharpest ive ever had my 2 bladers...It takes some time to get the hang of it..but once you get it....they're sharp !
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IMO...Best on the market for the "Sharpening Challenged"... :thumbsup: :jumper:
yep! the best!!!! :)
I'm with PSEMAN, I got the knife sharpener and so far I can't get them razor sharp at all. Barely shaving hair, they were sharper before I started.
Pseman and SWP... I'm a little surprized, but like any tool it can take a little getting use to.
Your best bet is to call Ron and he'll have you putting a razor edge on your heads in no time.
Nobody knows better how to use the tool than the man who invented it.
Good or bad, I'd sure like to hear your results after you've had Ron's instruction.
Thanks very much guys,
Pseman and SWP,
Charlie's right, If you're experiencing anything less than ideal results, PLEASE give me a call. I've coached many people through sharpening a knife, BH or both right on the phone and it usually only takes about ten minutes. You guys spent good $ on the sharpeners and I want you to happy you did. If you're not getting the results you expected it's only because I failed to stress a couple critical points in both the written instructions and the video. I answer the phone till 8pm eastern, 7 days and if we can't get your blades plowing hair, I'll happily refund your money.
Ron
800 561-4339
Now that is customer service!
It's the best way to sharpen a BH I have ever found. Past years have seen me buy a bench-based wet-grinding system ($$$$) and just about every kind of other sharpening thingamajig you can shake a stick at.
I use the knife sharpener with the Arkansas stones (not the diamond stones) and like others have said, I cannot get a BH as sharp any other way I have ever tried. The knife sharpener makes it easy to match the bevel on my single-bevel Abowyer BH's and make them truly razor sharp. It's the last BH sharpening system I think I'll ever buy.
what John say's work for me. But Ron sent me 6- 160 grain single bevel grizzlys that he sharpened for me I will need leather gloves to put them on the arrow.
doug77
I've found with the Abowyer Brown Bear heads in the KME it doesn't have the same angle as the head...? It has a steeper angle than the head's edge. It sharpens fine...just not the same angle. Maybe 30 degrees, where the broadhead is 25 degrees...? That sort thing. I have been using the broadhead clamp.
I start out with a synthetic stone that is pretty coarse, then go to a finer stone, then to a fine and then strop.
David,
As Ron will often say, the adjustable angle reading on the KME knife sharpener is a function of the shape of the head and how it is clamped into the holder.
Do I understand your post correctly? Are you using the KME broadhead clamp instead of the KME knife sharpener on your single bevel heads? If so then I'm not surprised you find the angles to be different. The KME broadhead clamp is designed to work with DOUBLE bevel BH's (lower angle) and not single bevel BH's. The system to use if you're sharpening single bevel BH's is the knife sharpener and not the broadhead sharpener.
Thanks for clarifying that John...makes sense.
I bought the KME knife sharpener up at Denton Hill, but like some of the others above wasn't really getting the kind of results most of you were getting. After reading this thread last night, including his offer to talk anyone through the process, I called Ron. Within 10 minutes I had produced the sharpest knife I've ever achieved. Great product, great guy.
One tip he gave me was to take a felt tip marker and run it down the cutting edge of the knife you're working on. Then work your stone along the knife edge at whatever you think is the right angle. If the ink comes off all the way to the cutting edge, continue through the method in his video. If not, your choices are to continue to work at that angle, with one of the aggressive stones until you actually take enough metal off to achieve that angle, or, assuming you're not devoted to that angle, increase the angle on the stone until you take the ink off cleanly, and then work at that angle.
I was working at 20 degrees. Using his method, the blade turned out to be 25 degrees, and was razor sharp within 10 minutes after that adjustment.
Again, great system sold, and backed up, by a great guy.
My Bud Steve and myself spent part of yesterday afternoon at Ron's Shop.Glad to see Mikey Bamboo there! :scared: Ron without a doubt is one of the best here at Trad Gang! :thumbsup: It was great to see them all yesterday. :clapper:
I have the jig and the knife sharpener. I bought the stones Ron told me to buy. I did what he told me to do even though the instructions are more than adequate. I put an scary sharp edge on Australian Outbacks in 20 minutes. After spending hours with a Lanski I still couldn't cut butter with those BH's...BTW the Lanski is for sale - cheap.
I'm going to guess that if you are having trouble any one or more of the following may apply.
1. You are using TOOOO much pressure. It dosen't take much to sharpen anything that once had an edge to it. The weight of the jig or stone holder on the knife sharpener is plenty.
2. It requires oil to lubricate and float away the debris/metal that the stones are removing from the blade. Otherwise it builds up in the stone. Guess what happens then...
3. Cutting faster isn't necessarily better. Diamond stones arn't inherintly better than non-diamond. I'll leave it at that.
4. As silly as this sounds you have to find the angle of the blade. A sharpie marker and the INFINANTLY ADJUSTABLE knife sharpener make this so easy I can't believe anybody would have trouble with this.
5. Quite honestly...I threw out knives and broadheads because they were dull. Untill I found a guy who worked out of a trailer that stopped in town once a month and sharpened everybodys stuff. I think he died...he hasen't been around in awhile. Regardless if I can sharpen a knife with Rons gear...anybody can.
-s
I cannot wait to try my hand on some Eskimo's and Abowyer Whitetail heads!
Three arrows...
Get yourself a beverage, a can of shaving cream, your work bench set-up, turn on some relaxing tunes, and have at it. You will be laughing at how amazingly easy Ron has made it to put an edge on just about anything. Take your time and learn how to do it properly. The speed will come with some proper practice!
BTW...don't get to carried away with the arm shaving thingy...folks...well...they notice that kind of stuff...they might think your...well...shaving places they can't see especially if you are wearing long pants...that may lead to some other thoughts...if you know what I mean...not that there is anything wrong with that.
Hi guys,
Boy the thing people say about a guy when he's not around!!! :biglaugh:
John and Snag, The BH sharpener works for both single and double bevel heads. The only thing is that the angle's not adjustable so you'll probably end up with a duplex grind like Snag discribed, which is not a bad thing by any means. It will give you a much stronger cutting edge.
Tom, It was great to have everyone over at the shop this weekend! We actually got to take break and shoot both arrows and the breeze for a while. We gotta set up a small 3-D range over there. I think you'll be seeing our buddy Mike (Bamboo) there a lot more often in the near future. Stop by whenever you get a chance. It was a pleasure Sir!
Three Arrows, Before you sharpen either of the BHDs you mentioned, please call me. I'll give you a few tips to save you some time.
Scarne, You wanna job??? Sounds like you might know a thing or two about sharpenin stuff yourself!
Thanks again guys,
Ron
A good product and a great guy, that is success for a business no matter how you cut it. Ha Ha Ha :smileystooges: . Thanks Ron you turned me into a Sharpster. Ron called me at work and worked on my imperfection through lunch what a guy, good job Ron keep up the good work.
Bruce
Ron,
Thanks for taking the time to get me straightend out on your weekend.
Scott
Sharpster...
Just what I learned from you and high school shop class!
OK, I'm one of those sharpening challenged guys. I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on a purchase on one of these systems.
I want to do knives and broadheads. I shoot magnus broadheads. Will the knife sharpener do what I want. If I have to choose, I want my broadheads sharp -- I figure I can field dress a deer with an arrow if I need to. Sounds like the knife sharpener will do both for me.
Knife sharpener or broadhead sharpener?
Marvin,
If your primary concern is your Magnus BHDs then I'd suggest the BH sharpener.
The knife sharpener will work for them but the BH sharpener is much faster. You can do 3 or 4 BHDs with the BH sharpener in the time it takes to do one with the knife sharpener. Gimme a call if you have any questions. Thanks again everyone,
Ron
Ron,
I'll call you this afternoon. I'm tired of dull blades.
Marvin
Ron :thumbsup:
Ill be throwing my stingers on sometime this coming week for the up and coming season! I can't wait to get some scary sharp heads...I truelly am sharpening challenged!
I just ordered both systems. I'm tired of dull blades.
Marvin
Ok, I have the KME Broadhead tool. So far so good. I think I'd like to take the heads one step further than finishing with the fine stone it comes with.....which one should I pick up? Hard Arkansas?
Morning Star,
If you bought the 2 stone kit from us, the fine stone (white) is a hard Arkansas. The next finer would be a black or translucent Arkansas but they're pretty pricy. Before you buy one of these, try stropping the head on a piece of plain ol' brown corrugated cardboard. Just cut a flap off a box, lay it on a table for support and with the BH still in the sharpener, pull it backwards over the cardboard 8-10 times per side. Then start flipping the head every pass and do 3-5 more per side. You won't believe what a cheap piece of cardboard can do for an already shaving sharp blade. :readit:
Ron
Thanks Ron
Ron,
Do you have a shop?
Hey Ron, I just recieved my BH sharpener in the mail today that I ordered from your web site. Thank you for the super fast shipping!
Your "About Us" page is absolutely great and is what made me decide to go ahead and buy the BH sharpener from you. I wish everyone felt that way about american made products!
I haven't tried the sharpener out yet but hope to soon.
Thanks again!
Slufoot
I like the looks of the KME system but have one question. Has anyone tried to sharpen a head that is already attached to the arrow?
I always mount my heads (glue on) and shoot them to ensure proper flight. Then I sharpen them. All the pics and videos I have seen show the sharpener being used on heads that are not yet mounted. Just curious if the arrow shaft makes it super difficult or even impossible to use the broadhead sharpener.
BP
Brian P,
I sharpen my mounted heads on the knife sharpener. After talking to Ron last night I got this bad boy down and have a couple of SHARP broadheads ready to go.
Thanks SWP. I thought the knife sharpener might be more user friendly with mounted heads.
Anyone use the broadhead sharpener with mounted heads? I like the more compact nature of the BH clamp for travel.
BP
QuoteAnyone use the broadhead sharpener with mounted heads? I like the more compact nature of the BH clamp for travel.
It's tough to keep blade / stone contact with the arrow on there. To much counter weight. It's a precision process, I think you'd be best with the knife sharpener if you need to keep them on the shaft.
Hi Guys,
JimE, I do have a shop but it's a production set-up not a retail store.
Slufoot, Thanks very much. Some mis-spelling on there but it gets the point across: Made in USA or forget it!
As for which is the better sharpener for BHDs, The BH sharpener is much faster than the knife sharpener but Morning Star is right, on the shaft touch ups can be done much easier with the knife sharpener. I wouldn't even consider sharpening an out of the pack, laminated tip BH with the knife sharpener though... it'd take days to get the bevels set.
In fact, it's best to file any laminated tip heads to somewhere near sharp before going to the stones with either sharpener. Both sharpeners are honing tools, not grinding tools. A few minutes with a file will save a lot of sweat and time on that first "out of the pack" sharpening.
Broadheads like Muzzy Phantoms or Magnus Stingers which come out of the pack reasonably sharp can be tuned pretty quickly with either sharpener without needing to file them first.
Ron
Thanks Ron. Just got off the phone with Ron and he told me what I was doing wrong with the single bevel heads. For one I was over sharpening them. I need to use the coarse stone just until that burr develops. Then move onto the medium and so on. I'm giving the cardboard for stropping a try too. I have been using leather. But it seems cardboard works better. How's that for recycling! Can't wait to get home and get back on them!
Let's move this thread on up TO THE TOP!!!
ONe More tIMe for GOOd mEaSUre!
Does anyone have any experience with the KME knife sharpener on Simmons Interceptors? Thanks.....
heh heh heh KME sharpens anything! :biglaugh:
I've had my KME knife sharpener for several weeks now. I can really improve the factory edge on a Muzzy Phantom with it.
The only problem I've had is when I try to sharpen a knife blade that is kinda narrow, the clamp is in the way, i.e. the stone hits the edge of the clamp not the knife. I may be doing something wrong but it seems to me the blade has to stick out a certain minimum distance in order to get clearance on the clamp...Anyone else have this problem?
LBW...
You mean like a small filet knife or a paring knife from the kitchen? Here is what I do. I sharpen the part that isn't in the clamp. Then I move the blade so the sharp section is in the clamp and then sharpen the rest. It works...although Sharpster may have a better idea. I'll bet he'll be by Wednesday AM.
LBW...
You mean like a small filet knife or a paring knife from the kitchen? Here is what I do. I sharpen the part that isn't in the clamp. Then I move the blade so the sharp section is in the clamp and then sharpen the rest. It works...although Sharpster may have a better idea. I'll bet he'll be by Wednesday AM.
Just wanted to add, called Ron yesterday for help with the BH sharpener using some magnus 1s. Ron was very patient and walked me through the process (I WAS USING WAY WAY TO MUCH PRESSURE!) I can honestly say I didn't know what a sharp head felt like. Ron had me get a goose feather (quill not cut yet) and i was cutting the BARBS (Ron, this is the correct term for the individual hairs if you will of the feather) at a 1/4inch from the ends! NOW THATS SHARP....I also have two bald legs and arms.
THANKS RON !
...and one more thing, I thought I was doing everything right and still not getting the results until I spoke to Ron on the phone...NOW I have it...
Without a doubt the best system out there. I have both the broadhead and knife sharpener. I actually like the knife sharpener when sharpening broadhead better.
Don't have a dull hunt...get a KME.
Back To the top!!!!!!
and if you use the translucent stone -then the card stock-holey-moley!!you can't beat the KME!!
OK back to the top for someone I can call a buddy!
I have the broadhead sharpener and tried it last year but didn't get good results...i got sharp but not scary sharp. Well after soaking in what Ron told me and what Ive read here the past week I have mastered this thing!
I have finally gotten scary sharp broadheads and my left hand is bald to prove it haha! I never realized how LITTLE effort and pressure needs to go into this thing. I use to really push down good and hard and it just wasn't needed!
I ran my stingers on a course stone for a few passes then to a fine grit and finished it off backwards on some leather. I slid these things into my brand new EFA quiver like a hot knife through butter and they aren't moving until next weekend of our opener! Man I'm pumped to test these broadheads out now! Again top notch stuff here ya'll!
On another note also did up some WW originals via charlie lamb style...took some elbow grease to get the bevel but its one hell of a head and damn sharp. Set it on the file ran it on fine grit then polished it with a ceramic rod and viola! Perfecto!
Did someone mention shaving cream????? Please explain....I can think of two uses...one as a lubricant while sharpening and the other as a better way to see if the blades will shave hair.
Using shaving cream is cheatin! :biglaugh: A blade needs to be much sharper to dry shave.
Ron
Good morning, Ron!
Hey Ron,thanks again for putting up with me on the phone last nite...it was good talkin' with ya and I know I'll be walking in the woods with the sharpest broadheads I've ever had. :thumbsup:
Top of the line....worth every penny for those who are "Sharpening Challenged". :cool: :thumbsup:
I have to put in my $.02 here too...............
After reading all the threads about KME, I decided to buy the knife sharpener as I am extremely challenged when it comes to sharpening ANYTHING. First, I sent an e-mail asking about which stones I should get and got a phone call from Ron with his advise.
So, I order the standard kit and receive it within 2 days. After working on a knife and a broadhead without much success, I sent another e-mail to Ron asking for some tips. Lo and behold, that night ( AFTER normal business hrs) Ron called me and coached me on the phone for probably a 1/2 hr. anyway. with his help, I actually got a good edge on a Stinger blade that had been shot into the dirt and I was just kinda keeping around for practice as I could never do anything with it----had it shaving hair----and that is a BIG accomplishment for me, let me tell you!
So............a BIG THANKS to Ron @ KME and I'd recommend his product to anyone.
ben
Just ordered the knife sharpener. Tired of struggling to get my BH's just barely shaving.... Looking forward to it arriving!
Brad