These are shrubs, but some species of oak. They are only knee high, but loaded with acorns. What can you folks tell me about them? Good mast for deer? They look like they will mature and drop before all others on the property I'm hunting. I'm in SE Ga.
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Are they sawtooth oak?
Apex,
Looks like you may actually have several different species going on there. Just a quick turn through my Trees of SE US, I can see how the second photo could be a Laurel Oak. These get pretty good size but will make acorns in their second year. First photo looks like something in the neighborhood of a Sand Live Oak, maybe a Myrtle Oak.
Based on the ecoregion of these particular trees, I would say that this area is moderatly coastal with regions of poorly drained soil, but this site is a lot sandier than others around it so remains a little drier.
Good looking area.
OkKeith
Sand live Oak in first photo and Willow or Laurel Oak in second. These trees are probably fairly young sprouts from older root systems. It apppears a pretty hot fire knocked back the hardwood species in the recent past.
Thanks guys! Yes these are two different species. This area gets burned routinely, as part of the land management strategy.
Possible myrtle & willow oak, by leaves. The acorns on one of them look like overcup oak, but the leaves do not match. Sprouts and shaded seedling/saplings sometimes have different leaf shapes than mature trees.
Upland or bottomland area ? SE, what state and what part of the state ?
The Audubon Society Field Guide to North america Trees is a suggested user friendly reference. Or the Peterson Field Guides for eastern trees.
Cut a branch or two off of each and take down to your local state dept. of conservation, or Natural Resource Conservation Service office.
Bottom land bordering a cyprus swamp in SE Georgia.
Based on geographic location I retract willow oak & go with live oak.
Acorns look too big for willow oak.
So many oaks, so little time!
Killdeer
QuoteOriginally posted by Killdeer:
Acorns look too big for willow oak.
So many oaks, so little time!
Killdeer
:knothead: :biglaugh:
I'd say water oak on the top one...as for the bottom one, perhaps a live oak...not for sure.
The top tree has the revolute edges, leathery textured leaves and the acorns are on stems. That would rule out water oak. I think it is either a sand live oak or live oak.
In the bottom photo...the only two oak trees I know with the significantly long and narrow leaves is the willow oak and the running oak.
I think it is the running oak. It only grows low to the ground running along sprouting from roots. It is also found amongst the live and sand live oak species.
Several different oak species will have narrow leaves when young but they won't have fruit at the same time. So that narrow leaf is the typical shape for that species.
Sorry to bore you.
There HUNT'UM oaks for sure, I just checked the book. :goldtooth: lol
Are you near salt water? The first picture appears to be myrtle oak and the second could be chapman oak which is usually encountered as a large, bushy shrub and it resembles certain of the willow oaks.
http://www.mckaynursery.com/catalogsearch.asp
Q. bicolor SWAMP WHITE OAK
Q. macrocarpa BUR OAK
Q. palustris PIN OAK
Q. rubra NORTHERN RED OAK
Quercus x warei 'Long' REGAL PRINCE OAK
On another board they have been identified as bluejack oak and willow oak. Beats me! I'll let you know if the deer hit them.
The long peduncles or stems the acorns are on make it definetly not blue jack. The cup is too deep on the bottom photo to be willow oak. Willow cups are flat like saucers. It may actually be an Olgelthorpe Oak which is in GA although I have never seen one to know.
Richie...not a bore, good info. This is an interesting thread. I like Kingwouldbe's post, lol. Killdeer's too.
I'd guess sand live oak and laurel oak. These, along with myrtle oak and Chapman's oak are the typical scrub oak communities in that part of the country.
Neither is Oglethorpe oak.
I believe Laurel Oak would have a much shallower cup than the bottom photo. Good to know it is not Oglethorpe Oak. Now I know what it does not look like.
Not a lot of choices and photos can distort features.
Those photos bring back memories. I spent 13 years on and off working the woods in that part of the country beginning in 1973. I'm going to email these photos some friends still managing timber in that area. Might be they can provide their thoughts. I still have a pretty good network in that part of Georgia.
Trust LA- if he says it's this or that, my money is on him. The man knows his trees! :readit:
I live in Mobile...right in the middle of Live, sand live, laurel, bluejack, turkey, blackjack, post, sand post, running, water, red, some white, etc. Chapman and Myrtle is on the beach a few miles away in the maritime habitats. Willow is not. It is in rich bottomland soils along with Diamond Leaf oak (a bottomland laurel oak). Laurel oak is a definite upland oak found nowhere near moist soils. I currently have the state champion Sand Live Oak. It is Mobile. It is only a few inches in circumference from being national champion. Also have the Mississippi state champion turkey oak.
That Chapman, Myrtle, Running oak community is some of the coolest oak habitat around, IMO....aside from the swamp chestnut, white oak transition areas. That gets reeaalll deery.
For sure, some cool places.
It's called " lowbush " here.Found near chapman oaks and live oak scrub. Hunt it early as they will draw deer. Good luck
Identifying trees by their leaves can be interesting when one just plucks a stem or branch and asks, "What is it?"
For example, this branch is one I picked today while visiting a harvesting job. It's from a common oak that most would recognize if they were standing next to it. I wonder how many of us might encounter some problem getting it right from this photo? Then again, it might only look difficult to me. :)
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LA..you are exactly right about that. It is difficult without seeing all characteristics of the tree.
I guess water oak.
Richie,
I have swamp chestnut (we call em turkey-chokers) and white oak transition on the pig/deer/turkey land I hunt on the Savannah River in SC.
Awesome for whitetails and hogs.
Ray...that turkey choker transition area next to a 5 year old cutover or pine plantation is MONEY for big and small wildlife.
It's a southern red oak from the understory along a road edge. Normal leaves are on the upper half of the tree, which is only 6 foot or so. I just used it as an example, not to trick anyone. One can get into some heated debates "picken'" leaves. :)
Ray, I'll be upriver from you the second week of November.
My son-in-law in one of my favorite stands guarding a group of "cow" oaks. He's in a lock-on in the triple trunks on the right. When they are dropping, its a parade of deer and hogs.
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This is the first deer in the first evening I put him in this stand last fall.
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In Maurice's old stompin' grounds in north Georgia you find these four species all in the same area; swamp chestnut oak, chestnut oak, white oak, swamp white oak. Talk about confusing. :)
Swamp chestnut and chestnut oak in the same spot is very odd. Chestnut is usually in the rocks on tops of mountains. I don't know if I have ever seen a real swamp white oak.
I used to work in Tensas Parish. Are you close to that area?
North Georgia is an area where the ranges of these four species meet and mingle. Unusual.
I live in Ruston, 30 miles west of Monroe...hour and half from the Refuge.
North Georgia is in the top three places I love to be. Just last night I was looking on the net at a house in Sautee close to Helen. Man that is nice.
If you are looking to rent a secluded, really nice cabin with a private section of trout water 30 yards from the front porch, just contact me and I'll provide the address. Flies only, barbless, catch and release.
It is stocked annually but has carry over fish. My wife and I have it for three days the third week in October. This is our third trip and shortest stay but I have to give her two days in Tennessee this trip....compromise. :) I likely will have a day trip planned out of Pigeon Forge while she does here thing. :)
It is near Ellijay on Mountaintown Creek which empties into the Coosawattee, the same river Maurice and Will Thompson lived on near Calhoun.
That sounds real nice. I love those North GA mtns and the Pigeon Forge area as well. We stayed in Seviervills last spring. I am still tasting pancakes. Holy smokes we ate alot of those dudes. When the economy turns maybe I can go back.
Whatevevr they are, i'm thinking "Deer Magnet !"