I'm looking to purchase a good set a camo that will last me. I see Day One has consistency issues in quality and customer service, however, thier price is nice. Columbia Gallatin is very affordable, but not 100% wool. Grey Wolf, is very nice, but very expensive. I'd rather not part with $500 for camo unless necessary. My questions to you are:
1. Do I really need wool? If not, what do you recommend?
2. Is Grey Wolf that much better than Day One?
3. Is Gallatin decent for the money?
4. Is camo even needed? If not, what do you recommend?
If you haven't seen it.....ASAT now offers a pretty nice line of Merino Wool products. I expect my shipment to arrive any day, now....and I'm excited to see how it stacks up with the wool prodcuts I've been privy to.
My opinion on the ASAT pattern is based on my past experiences with it (all positive). I have NO experience with the Merino Wool, but I'll be honest in my assessments when it arrives.
My opinion of wool is.....why not ALSO have a tried and true camo pattern on it?
I have not seen it, I'll give it a look directly.
Find some of the old Army surplus stuff. Some of if it is camo, most is OD but, 100% wool.
Wool is wool-you either like it or you don't and, unfortunately, the best of it is high dollar. I like wool, but I also like good fleece, Goretex and cotton at times. I bought the Columbia Gallatin "blend" at first because I didn't see paying the high cost of the other brands. I found it unsatisfactory in terms of pattern (no contrast), warmth (wind blows right through it) and how it held up to rain (not warm). Got rid of it all. Then I got a KOM vest, which is lined with some sort of wind-resistant stuff, and I love it. It is the single warmest layering garment I've ever owned, surpassing even my old Filson vest. Last season I bought a Sleeping Indian Shirt Jac and I love that, too.
Here's the thing about good, 100% natural wool: other fabrics can do the various things that wool does, but none of them do it all. Wool is quiet, shapes to you for comfort, stays warm if it gets wet, breaths when it is warm, insulates when it is colder, doesn't hold odors and doesn't reflect light so it's good camouflage. And yes, the better stuff is worth the money as you will have it for many years.
I can't compare it to Day One because I have no experience with that product (although I have read good things) I can sure vouch for the Gray Wolf Woolens though. Top quality wool and great Predator patterns. Custom made to fit you exactly. Great stuff, and long term investment.
huntryx, that is what i figured and read from reading various threads. i just hate to spend so much on camo. there are more fun things to be had, like...a new Pronghorn! ;D
Gray Wolf is top notch all the way! Have you looked at G. Fred Asbells line of wool?
Boy, I sure hear you on that one. It's a stretch for most of us to afford good wool, and I can't imagine buying an entire outfit all at once. Yikes! I'm happy to have a few key items (like a vest) which I enjoy and which get better every year.
I really like the price of Day One, but am nervous about all the complaints I have read. Anyone care to back them up?
Affordable, pendleton wool jacket and pants. I love the jacket, purchased a size larger so I can wear a sweater underneath. I use mine in Michigan in December. I also have a heavy pullover and vest from Asbell's line of wool, nice and comfortable. My pendleton is camo and asbell's is not. I like natural colors, red,tan,grey,olive, and black.
1 - Yes
2 - Codet is a great solid wool for an unbeatable price
F-Manny
I have had KOM, SI, GWW and Day One. As of today I have some SI left and a set of Day One in ASAT. SI served me well for many years, but I tried Day One because I like the ASAT. I have found the clothes well made and very warm. Gary is kind of a one man show so his response time is not great, but I ordered early and had no problems.
D.P.
How does one get info on G. Fred's wool? I saw where they would be at a bow shoot (to far away for me to attend), sent an e-mail (2 weeks and no response), and I don't see it listed on his website?
Doctari--do you mean Pendleton wool?
I bought a pair of swedish surplus pants 40$! heavy weight, cargo pockets, good fit, you would want to wear somthing under them they are kind of itchy but excellant for the money!! I am interisted in G.Fred wool but can't seem to get any info on it! even called with no luck! anybody know? Good Hunting, Jason
I've used the Gallatin and I agree with huntryx. It's also very heavy, just not a good bowhunter garment. Would be fine for setting in a box blind with a gun or around camp which is what I now use it for.
I presently using Ron LaClair's pullover and like it alot with my old mil-spec. paints;
http://www.shrewbows.com/wool_shirts/
but they are not camo-ed if that what you want but I haven't noticed that it make that much differance.
Hope this helps.
DJ
Only you, can answer the question about whether you "need" wool or not. A lot of it depends on whether you have a hard time staying warm or not. About five years ago, when I ordered two complete outfits from Jeff at Gray Wolf Woolens, both my wife and I opted out of the wool. Wool requires more to take care of, and after speaking with Jeff would most likely be to warm for the climate that we hunt in.
That being said.......we ordered the "wolfskin" with comformax insulation and windstop both. The quality of the work that he does combined with the durability of the material was, and still is unreal. Yes, we dumped a few dollars into both outfits, but today it still looks and performs just as well as it did the day we received it. Sometime in the future, I'm gonna order us some "lighter weight" stuff, and may look into Day One.
If you truly want something that will last a LONG time, and not require re-purchasing give Jeff Aulik at Gray Wolf a call. His product is some of the best that money can buy.
Oh, and my wife is one of those people that has a hard time staying warm......but not with her Wolfskin on.
Winterhawk1960
I always wondered about Day One wool because of the relatively good pricing and finally saw some in person this past June. I was impressed. I ended up buying a pair of pants and a jacket in ASAT. I haven't had a chance to try it out yet but it looks great and is made for bowhunting.. I have also heard the stories of bad customer service but I was lucky enough to buy from Gary on the spot and walk away with my items. From the SI and KOM I have seen, Day One looks like a good deal.
I have some ASAT in"Bucksuede" from Day One, but not any wool. The quality is top-notch. I plan on ordering some wool from Gary in the near future.
I have camo wool and non (plaids) I just ordered a pendleton wool plaid from the big auction site plaids work well. Watched the video "bowhunting Reflections" and one gentleman on the video had all wool plaids and made close kills. Im definetely leaning toward my plaid wools this season plus plaids are a lot cheaper than quality camo wool. If I had to do all over again I would buy quality wool but not camo.
I have recently received Sleeping Indian pant and shirt, quality is awesome, great camo pattern, can't wait till hunting season starts.
I believe that you get what you pay for, and with wool I think this is true! It is a long term investment, because you will have the wool outfit for many years to come!
I'm sure that any pattern that breaks up your human form will do, whether it's technically camo or not. But I think you still have to match the TONE of your surroundings--muted colors, or high contrast depending. Some plaids do a great job. I just have camo because it's easier for me to have dedicated hunting clothes which I keep separate and because I think it's fun to try to blend in the best I can.
Once a number of years ago I was walking to my orchard stand in a Woolrich wool muted plaid jacket, the closest they got to the browns and greens of camo in those days, and a couple of fawns came running up to within 3 feet of me before they realized I was a person. They were looking for their mother, who was off getting bred at the time, I think. I am convinced that the color tones and the non-reflective nature of the wool was responsible for this encounter.
sleeping indian and KOM is rediculous, i'm not sure how anyone can justify those prices. $1k for bibs and jacket. geez...
Look at some army surplus web sites alot cheaper but none camo.
Last year I bought Cabelas wool fleese blend and it is warm. I really like Day-one's stuff super nice man. The wind blows through my KOM, cover it with wind braking material and it is toastie.
My favorite wool is Good will $3 merlino sweeters.
Joe 17 days,15 hours til elk season
I've had several of the ones mentioned. From the cheaper Gallatin, merino, cabelas wool,to SI, Swanee,and now KOM.(never used day one or grey wolf. But have heard nothing but good about both) Let me tell you, ridiculous is only to the cold person. Yes, my KOM cost $500.00 plus. But it will still be on my back 15 to 20 years from now(if I stay this weight). It will outlast 5 cotton coats. I'll sell you some gallatin bibs cheap if you want them. Besides Swanee, KOM is tops in my book. Warm, quality made, and with the liner they are windproof. Pay now, or pay later. It's up to you.
I guess I'm a little bit lucky as I have 2 complete sets of KOM. Started buying 1 or 2 pcs. a yr. starting in 1985. Don't even want to think what it would cost today but it is still going strong, and I have put it thru heck. Around home is one thing but on a wilderness hunt good wool could just save your life, you can't put a price on that! As a little side note, back in the late 80's I had a seamstress do a few little modificationson some KOM. She mentioned at the loom shop next store the owner was the national champion loomer, (yes I guess they have a competion for such things),and to show it to her, which I did. She almost ripped the shirt out my hand, laid it on the table where she really gave it quite the examination. After about 2 mins. of total silence she looked up at me and said "It's an absolute masterpeice, I can't even tell how it's made." I really got a kick out of that. I have some $100 sweaters I got for $5 at salv. army and they are great, so look around. You don't have to spend big bucks to stay warm, but you probably won't be sorry if you do.
I've used SI for years and Grey Wolf for the past 2. Both are 1st class garments and worth their weight in gold when the temps drop.
Tried the Woolrich and Columbia last year and found the Columbia to preety good as long as the wind is 10mph or less. Wind went thru Woolrich bad !
Got a Gray Wolf bomber jacket off the auction site for a steal and even though it is unlined the wind still could not be felt riding an ATV at 30MPH !!! Will be buying more Gray Wolf stuff for sure, especially after talking with Jeff and getting a sample pack of his materials.
Question for you vest guys and gals..... ? How many wear it over clothes and how many wear it under your coat ?
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several convincing arguments, i am very much into quality when i buy gear, so you are apealing to me on that point. i live in TN, and have always had trouble staying warm even through it doesnt get all that cold here. even if i layer up like i should. im deffinately sold on wool (not columbia). is KOM gear worth the price over Day One or Grey Wolf? if it is, that's what i'll get.
You will not be sorry if you invest in either KOM or Sleeping Indian. Yes, it is that much better. Go to the SI website and listen to Ted's video.
i really like SI, leaning more towards them. should i get lined or unlined? if im spending a fortune it would be nice to have a little versatility ;D. how is wool to wear in the summer? i would assume hot, but i've never owned any so i'll ask.
47,
I too am in TN and for some reason folks don't seem to think it ever gets cold here ? Hunted several days last year and it was less than 10 degrees when heading to stand with lots of humidity to boot. Any wool I buy will have a liner. Heard too many stories about having a $400 coat or pants and wind blowing thru, not good ! One thing I have found to be totally true about wool versus man made stuff is it's breathability. When walking in and out in wool, even though it is heavy and will keep you warm it does not sweat you up as bad as synthetics that cannot breathe like wool.
I also questioned lots of folks last year that had the big three.... KOM, SI, GWW and found that most who had bought some of each and had the choice of buying again would buy Gray Wolf hands down. I think all three are quality products and it comes down to personal choice. I am leaning toward Gray Wolf due to the 27oz tight weave wool and the fact that I can get it in Predator Fall Gray pattern. After having to, "hunt" , for my 13yr old son who was wearing this awesome overlooked pattern !!! We are ditching all our old Mossy Oak Break up and going all Predator FG when and where we can. JMHO
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and all i have is fall gear, when you get down in the 50's i have problems staying warm. i'm sure it is inadequate gear, would be nice to stay warm, and extend hunts...
47,
one more thing bud..... make the best investment in wool on the planet..... Ullfrotte' longjohns !!! We have the 400gr weight and do not leave home without it. The greatest thing about it is the warmth and breathability. Again, will not sweat you up like synthetics. Before we bought the Ullfrotte' we were using the Army surplus polypro longjohns. They are good don't get me wrong, especially for the $40 for a top and bottom set. However, they will sweat you up if you are not carrying all your outerwear to the stand and they also hold scent bad ! Remember.... man made stuff is nothing but a old plastic soda bottle and plastic does not breathe !!!
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thats a good idea. maybe i'll get those and some decent summer gear for this year. and next year i can get some SI. cant really spend $1500 on camo in one year :D . as long as we're talking about warmth, what about feet? my feet get cold at the house when it's 70 degrees, i can never keep them warm in the woods. it's always mind over matter for me when hunting...
Cabelas ultimate boot socks I think is the name of them ? Early season we wear 100 % merino wool socks we buy at a local outlet for like $4 a pair, what a steal ! The cabelas socks are 16" tall I think and are about 80 % wool with the remainder man made stuff to help them hold their shape and provide blister protection. I have had them for about 5 yrs and they are like new.
The mistake most make is wearing too warm boots with too much thinsulate in them and they sweat their feet to death on the way to the stand. Again, wool retains it's warmth factor even when wet so they make the ultimate footwear. Just READ the label carefully to make sure you get at least 80 % merino wool in the sock. You will find you can wear much thinner lighter boots with a good wool sock.
On most days in TN down to about 40 degrees with a high in the 50's we wear good wool socks, uninsulated rubber boots or 600 gr max, Ulfrotte' longjohns, cotton pants, carry our wool or fleece coats on our stands, and a good fleece beanie on the noggin. No sweating on the way in and plenty warm during the day. If it is colder than that we will add a vest under the coat and wear the wool pants instead of cotton. Add a chemical handwarmer for each pocket and you are set down to 10 degrees.
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I have kom ,sleeping indian, and grey wolf, the king has lasted me for 15 years and still looks almost like new. Have a new grey wolf vest and it is excellent quality and the service was fantastic! Ive wore the kom alot I hunt over 90 days in the fall , I wont go any place hunting without it. It has a liftime gaurantee and will be replaced or fixed if somthing goes wrong . Also have a look at classic bowman nice plaid camo very well made...Tim
First off layer, cann't remember the name, but wife bought me the underwear that 3 rivers sales and that stuff is awesome. Ron Laclairs, wool pull over shirts are awesome too. I hav columbia wool for years, but found everything already stated. I believe wool is well worth the price and looking at Dayone too, not sure how the ASAT is on turkeys, but awesome on deer.
Not all wools are created equally. Merino wool is soft, nonitchy and has outstanding loft to weight. Anyway 47pronghorn get yourself an ASAT 3D Vanish Pro leafy suit and then you'll be fantastically camoflauged and can wear anything you want under it. I doubt you'll need a lot of wool in Tennessee but if you travel you might.
I have gray wolf and day one, both are excellent. I'd go with the day one though as the prices are much more affordable.
toddster,
you are correct about thinlayers vs 1 heavy layer. More trapped air and air is an excellent insulator ! 3 rivers sells Ullfrotte' underwear. Been drooling over a LaClair longhunter shirt too.
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I would call Ted at Sleeping Indian, he will help you out on what you might want to start with. I spent an hour on the phone with him before I ordered, Ted has a lot of knowledge in the wool business, and stands behind his product.
On a friends advice I came up with the cash to buy KOM Hillbilly Bibs back in 1996. Then I gotthe bowhunters jacket a year later. I've used them a lot over the years and I'm not the kind of guy that babys his gear and let me tell you they look brand new. I don't even wash them anymore, just letthe mud dry and brush them off, to get them scent free I hang them out for a couple of days.
Mostly it all depends on what where and how you are going to hunt.
If I want wool to block the wind...I'd buy crushed wool. If I want wool to breath because I am on the move then I buy a good long fiber weave and wear it over silk or merino if it is really cold.
Merino wool is fantastic as a base especially if you are stand hunting. But it isn't as robust as many of the outter garments.
If money is your biggest concern buy the cheaper stuff with the shorter fibers. You will find this at all your favorite big box stores.
Personally i've worn it all over the years. Like many things in life...you are going to get what you pay for.
If you are just a weekend warrior hunting in your back yard and can run into the house if you get cold then you don't necessarily need the big name/dollar stuff.
If your life or well being depend on your gear you may consider something higher up on the food chain. Two weeks with clothes and gear that won't hold up in a 24x7 outdoor environment makes for a long cold, damp, miserable trip.
All the wool prducts availbale today have thier merit. You just need to match your needs to what the market has to offer.
I have three articles of wool made by Gray wolf and they are by far the warmest and best thought out pieces of clothing I own. I do like to shop around at the local thrift store for some wool items, but serious wool gear can be bought right off this site, with no worries about quality or customer service.
Picked up some "Classic Bowman" wool at Denton Hill. Seems very well made,nice muted plaid,reasonabley priced. We'll see how it works this winter.
I live in Pa. and it was one cold winter last year, my Woolrich kept me warm as toast. I was out in zero minus with the wind colder and had no problems. I also got Browning wool pants that were very warm.
I'm really into wool. I've tried a bunch of it and here is what I can tell you. Hidden wolf stuff is excellent! The first piece I bought from them was like 10 or 12 years ago. I wear it almost the entire season and it still looks brand new. Get the wind liner. In fact, I recommend getting the really good wind liner that they sell. Jeff may try to talk you out of it since you live in TN, but I'm one of those people who gets really cold. A few years ago I bought some bibs with everything in them, and I LOVE them. I try to do alot of light to dark hunts during November, and these are the ticket. Don't wear them walking to your stand. I carry them in a pack for all day hunts and then put them on when I get in my stand. I don't mean to offend anyone here, but all wool is not the same. The woolrich stuff is junk. I'd rather wear cotton than woolrich. Good stuff is expensive, but it is worth it and will save you money in the long run.
I say you get what you pay for! a friend of mine got the KOM pants and jacket and it is excellant! and when I get the money it won't hurt my feelings to spend it on good wool! I've used some of the surplus wool it's good but nothing compared to GW,KOM or Day One! buy it now and you'll never have to buy it again! unless you outgrow it! HA! Jason
I purchased my SI vest and pants in 1985, KOM jacket in 1986 I believe. Besides a light rain jacket I have never bought any other hunting clothes. Use them in the Spring for Turkeys and all fall for Deer. What I like the best is the fit is perfect for a bowhunter, it just lays on your body so nice vs some of the bulky clothes my friends wear. Still looks like brand new. Works in warmer weather and MN late season cold.
Kind of like bows, you don't need a Blacktail, ACS, Widow etc. etc. etc. that are thousand dollars bows, however if you buy one it will probably last you the rest of your life.
There are all sorts of good products, wool or not, but you'll keep going back to wool, after you try it. It does all the things the synthetics all try to do, and IMO it lasts much longer. I am a huge fan of Merino wool. Expensive? yes! Worth every penny? yes!
jonsimoneau,
totally agree with everything you said in your post to the last letter. I am amazed at two things I have been soooo stupid about over the years when it comes to clothing..... Wool is awesome and so is the Predator Fall Gray camo ! Used to wear all Mossy oak,( too dark and closed ), and mainly synthetic materials. We are now riding the Ullfrotte', Predator, and Gray Wolf Woolens train. Yes, it costs but try to buy used or on sale and you only buy it once. Also you wait all year long to hunt and spend so much $$$ on all your other gear, why be miserable cold or worse yet miss an opp cause you had a dark loud synthetic camo on that cost you a buck of a lifetime ? JMHO
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Does anyone know is "Classic Bowman" has a websight yet?????
At Denton Hill this year, Rob Tiberio was presenting his new line of high quality wool. It is called Classic Bowmen Sporting Woolens. While it is not camo, it is the classic blocky squares and patterns that are natural camo. I tried on the shirt and it felt comfortable enough in which to shoot a bow. If I didn't live in Florida, I would get a shirt. Rob's website is: www.classicbowman.com (http://www.classicbowman.com)
I've used wool for many many years. I used to live in Alaska too and you hear the line, "Cotton Kills" up there a lot.
When I lived in the bush I wore a long sleeved Pendleton wool shirt nearly every day. In time I got used to it against my skin too.
I have found that I use two types of wool. "Fluffy" wool for under garments and tightly woven (perhaps pre-shrunk) wool for outer garments.
The merino wool under garments are fantastic.
Shirts and vests like the ones G. Fred Asbell and Ron LaClair sell are actually good for both under layers and outer garments. They are very versatile and make a very nice layering system. Especially when combined with the merino under garments.
As a matter of fact, I have a shirt and vest coming from G. Fred Asbell right now. I can't wait to use it this fall/winter. The pocket and hood options are very nice!
Depending on the wind, I like a really tightly woven wool as an outer wind stopper. Tightly woven wool also seems to shed the rain better.
I haven't found a favorite "tight" outer wool garment yet, but I have seen pictures of the jackets that Rob Tiberio is selling and they looked to be just the ticket.
Another thing folks overlook a lot is that wool does not have a tendency to catch on fire and melt on you like the fleeces do. I stay away from fleece and polypropylene.
In my opinion you can't go wrong with good wool!
todd
Otto,
Rob is working on a website now. It may be a little while, but at least it's in the works.
todd
QuoteThe woolrich stuff is junk. I'd rather wear cotton than woolrich.
I'm not saying that Woolrich can stack up with some of the higher priced stuff, but it is far from being junk. I own several articles of woolrich, that serve a purpose for me, including a old Pennsylvania tuxedo that my dad bought back in 1955 and has been worn in the woods every year form that date till now, that is a long time for a piece of junk to last.
Todd
Thanks. I saw a couple of pics of there stuff and it looked very good. I love wool clothes and can't wait to see what they have to offer.
Stone Knife, you are right about that. I forgot about the old woolrich stuff. I have seen it but never used it. The quality of the old stuff seems to be much better. I only have experience with some of the new stuff, and I won't mess with it again.
You have to go a long way to beat any of the stuff Filson's makes.I have a vest and a pair of their wool pants. For the money they are every bit as good as KOM or SI
Filson makes some very good products. I have several upland tin pan waxed jackets,packer coat, chaps and a vest, I have one Filson wool coat that is a very nice coat.
However, when it comes to comparing Filson to KOM they are not even remotely close. The KOM is quite a bit more money and worth every penny. The weave, the fit, the material, it is all night and day different.
I find it interesting how people will compare one brand of wool clothing to another when some of the biggest differences in these brands are not only the type of wool, and the length of the wool fiber, but also the weave used to produce the garment.
To say brand A is better than brand B when they are two completely different products seems a bit short sighted. As I said in an earlier post the question "what do I expect to do with this" needs to be answered. If I'm sitting in a stand all day the tighter weave or crushed wool will block wind better.
I had such clothing for many years. I changed into it when I got to my stand as it got to hot to walk in and I'd sweat real bad. It didn't breath very well and sweaty is sweaty regardless of what you are wearing. Eventually the cold is going to creep in as the moisture does not escape.
For most of us I think the longer fiber (less itch) looser weave...especially in a shirt, or light weight pant type of materials work better. A tighter weave in a vest or a jacket or the addition of a wind blocker liner in an outter garment.
Under it all silk in weather down to the low 40's, light weight merino down to the low 30's and a heavier weight merino below that....for sitting in a stand.
If I expect to be moving slowly...the light weight merino. And if I'm carrying a pack in cold weather just the silks.
In heavy wind I can feel the wind blow through my base layer and 1st outter layer but for some reason I don't get cold. This is what gets the moisture away from your skin. The third layer or the wind block helps block the wind when you stop moving and have cooled off/dried off.
Yep. Wool is sold in a lot of different weights, weaves, styles and features. A lot of the comparisons above aren't apples to apples. Most of my wool is KOM, but also have a fair number of L.L. Bean wool products. Each works well when used for the appropriate situation.
I did a yahoo search and could not find Day One wool info out there. Does anyone have a website?
web page (http://www.dayonecamouflage.com) Dayone webpage.
Woolrich was a working mans coat, they weren't made to be air tight but to let you sweat while working in the woods. They made a heavier hunting coat that is very warm. I also have some Filson wool and like it but can't afford or need the heavier wool products.
I like my Columbia bibs. I wear a longjohns underneath them and can sit in -20 temps with a breeze and not get cold. I get plenty of practice acting like a stump in cold weater, and have found the Columbia bibs to work well, especially for the price.
I'm going to have to agree with rockhunter.I LIVE in woolens from nov to april.I got some Columbia wool pants and a shirt jac and it was alot warmer than my Johnson woolens for sitting long periods.They're not as bad as everyone makes them out to be.Obviously they won't stack up to the higher end woolens.But they're great for the price,and will work great with proper layering.
I would like to try some of the higher end stuff like KOM,SI and GWW.Just ain't got the money for it yet.
What I have done....buy wool sweaters off of e__y(the internet auction site). Then throw the camo you already have over them.
Worked all last year for me. I think I spent $60 for a wool sweater, a plaid wool shirt and some wool undergarments. I didn't get cold even at 3 degrees F. Just need to find some pants now!
-Charlie
Wool is very good for regulating your body temperature and odor. I wear wool socks year round. It started when I ran out of socks one day and put on a pair of wool hunting socks instead. I worked outside all day in the ditch with 95 degree temperature and my feet did not get hot. My feet did not stink. I just ordered some Gray Wolf Woolens in a jacket yesterday. I made a mistake in the measurement of my sleeve because the tape was upside down and I am dyslexic to boot. Jeff sent me 2 emails because the sleeve length seemed too long for a person my size. I had gone from a 36.5 sleeve to 34.5 now. My original measurement was 35.5 after I had worked out a while. That is Quality right there that comes with the price tag!
Asbell wool pullover hand made by Teresa.. I cannot believe the quality. I will be hunting from the ground wearing it this year...
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Give FirstLite a look quality merino wool at moderate prices. It is lighter weight and may work well for you in TN
Lucas