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Title: ? How to do a marbled crown dip?
Post by: Smallwood on August 10, 2009, 04:49:00 PM
I have seen a few arrows done this way and was wondering if you could tell me how to do it.
Also, if you have any pics of marbled arrows, lets see them.

thanks,
sammy
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Post by: doctari on August 10, 2009, 05:42:00 PM
I have dipped them in stain and than before they are dry I dip them in clear coat.
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Post by: beachbowhunter on August 10, 2009, 06:35:00 PM
Spray paint on the water surface in a pail/bucket and dip thorugh it...
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Post by: SCATTERSHOT on August 10, 2009, 06:55:00 PM
I saw some Bob Taylor did years ago when he had his shop in Denver. maybe he could help you out.
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Post by: n.c.swamp buck on August 10, 2009, 07:21:00 PM
i have seen someone spray paint the end of shaft and while it was still wet thay wraped it in plastic wrap then pulled it off.
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Post by: flint kemper on August 10, 2009, 08:26:00 PM
You can also roll it on a throw away bath towel that has a opposite color of your crown color sprayed on it. Flint
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Post by: Smallwood on August 11, 2009, 03:09:00 PM
Seems like not too long ago, there was someone that had a DVD out about how to do it, but I can't remember who?
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Post by: BowHuntingFool on August 11, 2009, 03:15:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by beachbowhunter:
Spray paint on the water surface in a pail/bucket and dip thorugh it...
I'd like to see pics of an arrow done this way, sounds prety cool!
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Post by: jbuck9 on August 11, 2009, 05:25:00 PM
Say you have an arrow that is tipped in a white crown, then take a bucket of water, and with some thinned paint make thin swirls on top of the water you can use two colors also say red and black for an exsample now with the paint floating on top of the water in swirls of two colors take your arrow and dip thru the swirls
slowly spinning the arrow thru the piant and same comming back out, once you get the hang of it is really simple, have fun the speed of the spinning on the arrow will give various patterns.
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Post by: Burnsie on August 11, 2009, 05:59:00 PM
A gentleman near me used to make them for Joe Stark at Lone Wolf archery,  before he retired and closed up.  If I remember right he said he dipped them and then took a terie-cloth hand towel and lightly grabbed the arrow.  Made a real cool looking marble effect.
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Post by: Hattrick on August 11, 2009, 08:26:00 PM
Jim Rebuck is the fellow that made video
J&M Traditions
570-286-7887
Good guy an great friend, been in traditional archery way before most new what archery was. Yep hes an old bastard:) make sure you tell him i said it too   :thumbsup:  
good luck its good video
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Post by: jbuck9 on August 11, 2009, 09:40:00 PM
Hattrick is right on,Jim is the ace of the marble arrow.
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Post by: AkDan on August 12, 2009, 02:56:00 AM
how about the simmons swirl?
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Post by: on August 12, 2009, 12:35:00 PM
Arrow wraps.
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Post by: Zbearclaw on August 12, 2009, 01:53:00 PM
Any pics?  I don't have any idea what it would look like.

Sounds pretty cool though!
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Post by: Mo. Huntin on August 12, 2009, 02:17:00 PM
you talking about holding the arrow perfectly vertical 90 degrees and swirling it in a bucket while spinning it?  I also would love to see some pics of the finished arrow.
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Post by: Mo. Huntin on August 12, 2009, 03:04:00 PM
Holy cow I looked up marbled arrows and found a post just titled ( arrows) Awesome and this sounds very easy.
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Post by: Hattrick on August 12, 2009, 05:52:00 PM
Jims video is pretty cool. I bought it for my 12yr daughter we watched it an she made some pretty cool looking blue marbled arrows i didn`t help either. If i new how to post pics i would. I been making  my own arrows for about 15yrs an picked up alot info from this video. He covers splicing an other advance techniques
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Post by: J. Adams on August 12, 2009, 07:15:00 PM
ok, I just tried the "spray-paint-on-top-of-water" method on some cedars.  The result was a neat-looking marbled pattern, but there were hundreds of air bubbles trapped within the paint.     :scared:  

Do you guys know if there is a certain trick or technique that will eliminate the air bubbles?

Josh
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Post by: Mo. Huntin on August 12, 2009, 07:35:00 PM
The post I read said to use drops of oil based paint on top of the water.  I don't know if that would help or not.  I may be showing my stupidity here but I wonder if distilled water would help with the air bubbles?  I have no idea I don't study water I just drink it.
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Post by: Dave Bulla on August 12, 2009, 07:36:00 PM
I wonder what is the correct type of paint to use?  Does it have to be water based to "melt" into the surface of the water or does it have to be non water based so it floats on top?????
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Post by: J. Adams on August 12, 2009, 07:43:00 PM
I used Krylon spray paint, gingerly sprayed on the surface of the water.  Maybe I should have executed my "twirl-and-dip maneuver" slower?  Used a different paint??
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Post by: Brian P. on August 12, 2009, 08:21:00 PM
Here are some I did for my buddies wife. The thought was to simulate fire, since she has been known to start some.....un-intentionally.

These were double swirled. I dipped in Bohning orange, then swireled with bohning red and bohning black.

To swirel dip, just drip your paint on top of a container of water, GENTLY swirel it around with a toothpick or the like, and dip the shaft through it, twisting as you go. Air bubbles are fairly common, but with practice, you can minimize them.

Jim Rebuck of J and M Traditions put out a DVD that shows you the process. Shows alot of other stuff as well. I dont know who the first was to do this, but Jim seems to have it perfected.

BP

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/kodiak1028/Arrows/IMG_0074.jpg)
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Post by: flint kemper on August 12, 2009, 08:36:00 PM
Brian, them are some fine looking arrows. Flint
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Post by: Zbearclaw on August 13, 2009, 11:02:00 AM
Freaking beautiful!!!!

Very nice.  I am thinking Red and Black will be perfect for taking to hunt in the great state of Georgia in December.
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Post by: jcar315 on August 13, 2009, 11:14:00 AM
Nice arrows!

What kind for paint did you "drip" into the water?
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Post by: Dustin Waters on August 13, 2009, 11:52:00 AM
Well I just found out how I plan to do my arrows for this hunting season.  Blue and white with blue and white feathers.  Oh baby this should be good
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Post by: Dustin Waters on August 13, 2009, 11:53:00 AM
Maybe Ill give it a test run and then make a quick little video if you guys would be interested.  I have never done this before but hey we can all learn together right?
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Post by: Mo. Huntin on August 13, 2009, 12:30:00 PM
That is so cool and yes please do the video.
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Post by: fireball31 on August 13, 2009, 12:52:00 PM
I would love to see video.  Those arrows look awesome. WOW
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Post by: Dustin Waters on August 13, 2009, 05:25:00 PM
Alright I just gave it my first try and, the results are decent.  I am going to let them dry and then try to see how brittle the finish is.  I am doing these on carbon arrows so for you wood guys im not sure how it will work out.  It really isnt that difficult to do.  I think we can figure this thing out after all.  I would be interested in hearing someone explain how to avoid the bubbles when pulling them out of the water.  Stay tuned for a video soon enough.

(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e349/trdtnlbwhntr/P8130473.jpg)
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e349/trdtnlbwhntr/P8130474.jpg)
Title: Re: ? How to do a marbled crown dip?
Post by: Dustin Waters on August 13, 2009, 05:34:00 PM
Somethings I have learned from the first attempt... Use an oil based paint and a deep bucket.  I used a mop bucket, not nearly deep enough to get the full 10" crown dip that we all normally like to have.  Ill fix that for the video.
Dont do this technique on any concrete you like.  If you do put something under where you will be working.  I have blue paint on my patio now that I need to get cleaned up.  
Do this in a relatively cool place, if you do outside in the sun.  The paint floating on top of the water will dry (believe it or not) and become a film on top of the water that pulls under the water with your arrow and becomes a big glob of goo on your arrow.  

Other than that I am still working on how to avoid bubbles, and making sure I have the correct base color to marble color ratio to get a solid looking arrow.
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Post by: Smallwood on August 14, 2009, 09:22:00 AM
:campfire:
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Post by: toddster on August 14, 2009, 09:29:00 AM
I will try and get a picture of mine, I just sponge painted them, after staining, and sealing with two coats of laquer, then paint and seal with 2 more.
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Post by: Mo. Huntin on August 14, 2009, 09:34:00 AM
Man you work fast.
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Post by: flightmedic on August 14, 2009, 10:26:00 AM
i use testors model paint in a room temp water, work quick though. when you dip them.  i take a paper clip put it in the testors paint and then place 3-4 drips of paint into the water then swirl it around to get desired effect, dip the shaft and then twist it bringing it out, and then without touching the newley dipped shaft give it a couple of flick to remove the water, the residual paint will coag in the water get another clip and remove the paint from the water. it will stick to the clip. ( work fast  ) with each arrow or it wont turn out
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Post by: Mo. Huntin on August 14, 2009, 11:12:00 AM
Did I mention how awesome that is.  I would also like to see the sponge paint arrow toddster.
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Post by: Smallwood on August 15, 2009, 10:48:00 AM
:coffee:
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Post by: Dustin Waters on September 14, 2009, 01:34:00 PM
Well the second batch turned out so much better.  Now I need to strip the first batch and try those over again.

(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e349/trdtnlbwhntr/IMGA0004.jpg)
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Post by: J. Adams on September 14, 2009, 02:17:00 PM
Nice job, Dustin.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: recurve_shooter on September 14, 2009, 02:42:00 PM
This is really cool.  I have some lam birch arrows to dip and crest and I will try this.  Just have to decide on the colors now-I agree with the earlier comment about Red and Black!
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Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on September 14, 2009, 04:13:00 PM
I never had any luck with marbling, but my son invented an awesome method that is similiar. Do a base crown dip, then while it is on your crester and spinning, take 3 brushes....very fine, medium, and a little thicker.

Using 2 or 3 different colors, jab random places with the brushes....don't let it stripe....a white base with black and silver looks just like birch bark...
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Post by: Stiks-n-Strings on September 14, 2009, 09:19:00 PM
Them blue arrows look pretty good I thought.
I thought about doing some like this. Good thread
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Post by: Steve O on September 15, 2009, 06:23:00 AM
Roger,

Picures...we need pictures...

Brunner showed how to do it in his "Making Wood Arrow" video 25 years ago; anybody still have that one? I lent mine out...
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Post by: joebuck on September 15, 2009, 07:18:00 AM
SteveO..you have to remember your one of the old guys here.....Screaming Eagle been gone forever!!!.........FYI my turkey season open in 30 days!

Actually i have never marbled dip an arrow but i'm going to give it a whirl. thanks for thread guys..this is neat
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Post by: mj seratt on September 16, 2009, 01:47:00 AM
I know a fellow who puts paint on a sponge, then rolls the arrow across it.  He made some beautiful sets for my wife.
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Post by: Steve O on September 16, 2009, 09:32:00 AM
Joey--that is hitting below the belt--I  cannot  be an ol' timer yet!

I think my buddy has that tape...he is  supposed to be putting a bunch of tapes on DVD for me...I will see if he can isolate the marble crown dip and post it here.

Fall turkeys???  Fall is for stuff with BONE on the head!  Next thing you know you'll be telling us about using dogs on 'em!  There is nothing I am looking forward to more than getting to see the turkey hunting presentation at PBS in March.  If things go well, next spring I will be 3/4 with shotgun, muzzleloader, and stickbow   :thumbsup:    I really need to talk with you about the Osceolas--I am never going to be able to outbid Biggie...
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Post by: joebuck on September 16, 2009, 02:18:00 PM
Biggie is no problem..i'll put Exlax in his sweat tea....he'll be removed from most of the bidding....thanks for compliment..hope i do not disappoint you!

I saw a guy marble capp with a slow running crester one time and be dang if i didn't ask him what kind of paints........they were absolutely gorgeous like some of these guys arrows on this thread..
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Post by: stickbowhntr on December 04, 2010, 09:35:00 AM
how did I miss this ...great thread