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Title: flint and steel
Post by: snakewood3 on July 31, 2009, 07:38:00 PM
Here's a couple I made for Wade (stripstike1). He wants to hunt brown bear and I bet he will. The knapped point (273 grain) is by Woody Blackwell and the damascus point (296 grain) is by Doug Campbell. Total mass weight for the arrow with the knapped point is 761 grains and the damascus point arrow is 773 grains. Shafts are tonkin cane with Western Diamondback skins I collected myself. Big wild turkey fletchs put on straight to stabilize the big points. The points are spin balanced when hafted. These arrows are extreme FOC and fly great.

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c359/snakewood3/things%20I%20make/wadesarrows056.jpg)

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c359/snakewood3/things%20I%20make/wadesarrows059.jpg)

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c359/snakewood3/things%20I%20make/wadesarrows019.jpg)
Title: Re: flint and steel
Post by: snakewood3 on July 31, 2009, 07:40:00 PM
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c359/snakewood3/things%20I%20make/wadesarrows028.jpg)

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c359/snakewood3/things%20I%20make/wadesarrows022.jpg)

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c359/snakewood3/things%20I%20make/wadesarrows050.jpg)
Title: Re: flint and steel
Post by: Guru on July 31, 2009, 07:55:00 PM
Awesome!
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Post by: tippit on July 31, 2009, 07:56:00 PM
Charles,  Those are real beauties!  Doc
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Post by: Doug Campbell on July 31, 2009, 08:32:00 PM
Wow!! Incredible job on those Chuck!! Great pics, it's a real honor to be in there with your arrows and that Woody point!   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
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Post by: FerretWYO on July 31, 2009, 08:51:00 PM
Those are amazing. A work of art really.
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Post by: Killdeer on July 31, 2009, 08:57:00 PM
Incredible work, all three of ya!

Killdeer   :eek:    :thumbsup:
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Post by: bushytail on July 31, 2009, 09:03:00 PM
There`s some talent.It must have took a long time to make them arrows.Good job.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: ishoot4thrills on July 31, 2009, 09:19:00 PM
WOW! Absolutely amazing arrows! Incredible. I would say those would bring down just about anything on four legs.   :eek:    :thumbsup:    :)
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Post by: MJB on July 31, 2009, 09:20:00 PM
OUTSTANDING
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Post by: Jason Jelinek on July 31, 2009, 10:06:00 PM
Wow!
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Post by: Featherbuster on July 31, 2009, 10:15:00 PM
Very cool
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Post by: SKYLER W on July 31, 2009, 10:19:00 PM
I love them...everything is very cool...   :clapper:
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Post by: GRINCH on July 31, 2009, 10:22:00 PM
Great works of Art
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Post by: UrsusNil on July 31, 2009, 11:01:00 PM
Those are spectacular!
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Post by: Lefty on July 31, 2009, 11:37:00 PM
WOW!  Those are the nicest arrows I have ever seen!!
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Post by: knife river on August 01, 2009, 12:35:00 AM
I've come to expect this level of artistry from Chuck.  If I was poked with an arrow like that, I'd brag about it.  The arrow with Doug's trade point has "dead bear" written all over it.  

The atlatl, though...  The thing blows me away.  Amazing work!      :notworthy:    :notworthy:    :notworthy:
Title: Re: flint and steel
Post by: leatherneck on August 01, 2009, 02:49:00 AM
Great work!!!!!!!
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Post by: Leland on August 01, 2009, 10:54:00 PM
WOW!!!!

Leland
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Post by: Red Boar on August 01, 2009, 11:44:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Lefty:
WOW!  Those are the nicest arrows I have ever seen!!
Ditto!    :notworthy:
Title: Re: flint and steel
Post by: Toklat1 on August 01, 2009, 11:49:00 PM
Awesome work Chuck. I'd love to learn how to learn knap.
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Post by: Thumper Dunker on August 02, 2009, 04:20:00 AM
Verry nice.
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Post by: HillbillyGadget on August 02, 2009, 09:12:00 AM
That is awesome work!
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Post by: paleFace on August 02, 2009, 10:24:00 AM
awesome!  really beautiful arrows. Chuck you sure do some fine work. what's the other item next to the bow that has the snake head?
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Post by: Roy Steele on August 02, 2009, 10:46:00 AM
SWEET
Title: Re: flint and steel
Post by: snakewood3 on August 02, 2009, 11:46:00 AM
Thank you everyone ! these are the finest compliments anyone could recieve.

Toklat1, you should get knife river's (Woody Blackwell) knapping dvd, he's a artist with stone...or glass

paleFace, that's an atlatl I carved from Osage. I enjoy practicing that ancient art that pre-dates archery .
Title: Re: flint and steel
Post by: Gil on August 02, 2009, 03:01:00 PM
Nice atlatl too!!!
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Post by: Stripstrike1 on August 02, 2009, 08:10:00 PM
Thank you Charles.  Cannot wait to get them.  Sorry it took me awhile to respond but I was away on a much needed vacation with the wife.  I have alot of Chuck's arrows and they are some of the finest primitive arrows you will ever find.  They look so good and are such works of art you tend to be terrified of loosing one. I am going to finally put some of his artwork to good use and hopefully can post some results here for the Gang!
Title: Re: flint and steel
Post by: swp on August 02, 2009, 08:21:00 PM
COOL!
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Post by: Dave Bulla on August 03, 2009, 12:00:00 AM
Those are beautiful!  I tried tying a point onto a cane arrow once and couldn't believe how hard it was to get it "right".  Never really did in fact....

Could you give a brief rundown of how you do it?

Also, just curious as to why you didn't fletch offset or helical?  Is it a matter of keeping things historically correct or what?
Title: Re: flint and steel
Post by: snakewood3 on August 03, 2009, 08:15:00 PM
Dave,
 I use an Ace spin / spine tester and put 1 bearing block right at the nock and the other as close to the base of point as possible. It still takes time.
 My thoughts on fletching...adding offset or helical can slow down an arrow by creating drag, drag is what stabilizes the arrow, not the rotation created by it. Take a good flying arrow with a big blade up front, why do you want to slow it down by adding excess drag. Do you really need, or even want, that blade trying to twist as it penetrates ? I put large fletches on straight, this offers the arrow quick stabilization from paradox and if perhaps you have a bad release, or maybe the arrow combination isn't tuned perfectly to the bow. A big fletch will also tend to hold up and offer enough surface area to be of use when wet. I feel that the energy lost to trying to spin a big blade in flight is wasted in most cases. I would prefer to have a flater trajectory and more energy to expend on actual penetration.
Rotation induced by a single beveled blade on impact is another matter. It seems to have proven it's worth on heavy bone and probably causes more soft tissue damage. I do think with a flint or knapped point that has basically a serrated edge that it could be detrimental and cause point failure...breakage.
Title: Re: flint and steel
Post by: Stripstrike1 on August 07, 2009, 11:13:00 AM
I received the package today.  They are everything the pics show and then some.  Thank you Chuck!!  I am going to hunt with them this year and hopefully be able to post the kill pics for everyone here on Tradgang. They are almost too nice to use but how cool would it be to harvest an animal with one of them? I will have plenty of opportunities to do just that!
Title: Re: flint and steel
Post by: Steve B. on August 07, 2009, 12:08:00 PM
Umm.....wow!
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Post by: NorthernCaliforniaHunter on August 07, 2009, 01:42:00 PM
That is some rediculous MOJO right there. Whoa.   :scared:
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Post by: wisconsin wood butcher on August 07, 2009, 09:27:00 PM
those are the coolest
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on August 07, 2009, 09:46:00 PM
:clapper: