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Title: Swaged nocks!
Post by: kyhuntertoo on July 21, 2009, 07:00:00 PM
I haven't shot my bow in about 3 weeks.  Was tinkering around in the back yard and POW.  Arrow was laying about 15 feet in front of me...nock was busted.

Figured it was just a bad nock.  Then, it happened AGAIN about 3 days later!  The first time it happened my bow jumped out of my hands and landed in the grass.  The second time it happend I was praciting from a chair (like out of a blind) sitting on my concrete patio.  Bow jumped out of my hands again and is now scratched up...grrrr!  I got some uni-bushings on order.  Is this a common occurrance with swaged/tapererd nocks or do I just have a bad batch?
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: Paul Mattson on July 21, 2009, 08:05:00 PM
Not common at all.  Are you refering to glue on nocks? What type of arrows and how old are they?
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: kyhuntertoo on July 21, 2009, 09:24:00 PM
i don't believe they glue on. they're tapered at the nock end, then the nock slips over the tapered end.  maybe you're supposed to glue them on, but they don't come off; seems like they're held in by friction.  they came with some gamegetter 2016's. not sure how old they are.  they came from a non-trad shop, so they might of been sitting around for a while.
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: wtpops on July 21, 2009, 09:58:00 PM
if there is a tapered end on the arrow and the nock slips over the tapered end of the arrow you are supposed to glue them on.
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: Roy Steele on July 21, 2009, 10:47:00 PM
Your nocks opening is to small for your string.After a few shots it cracks the nock and it only takes a few shots to finish spliting it.I had this problem.
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: geno on July 21, 2009, 10:48:00 PM
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Originally posted by wtpops:
if there is a tapered end on the arrow and the nock slips over the tapered end of the arrow you are supposed to glue them on.
Yup!
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: sweet old bill on July 22, 2009, 05:05:00 AM
glue them on and get a doz of 11/32 size nocks.
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: vtmtnman on July 22, 2009, 05:24:00 AM
I gave up swage nocks.An all around pain in the rear.

Cut the swages off,glue in uni bushings and use supernocks.No more problems.They fit the string better too.
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on July 22, 2009, 05:45:00 AM
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a swaged nock?
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: vtmtnman on July 22, 2009, 05:48:00 AM
Aluminum arrows with a metal cone(Swage) on the back.You glue the nock over the cone.Much like gluing the nock over a POC shaft.
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: Paul Mattson on July 22, 2009, 08:44:00 AM
The nocks are not swaged, the arrows are.  If the nocks are not glued on they will come off.  Thye are not held on by friction. The 2016's will take a 5/16" nock.
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: marlon on July 22, 2009, 11:06:00 AM
yes i solved that problem i use a special expoy and allumimum nocks
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: oberon on July 22, 2009, 01:41:00 PM
Who has glue on aluminum nocks?
 Oberon
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: mcgroundstalker on July 22, 2009, 05:36:00 PM
Hold The Phone! 2016 shafts should have their nocks glued on. YES. Simple... Right? Maybe...

* Sometimes if you have a shaft that has been dipped with paint you WILL NEED to file down the tip that goes into the nock. That bit of extra paint will hold the nock away from your shaft and when shot it will come off.

* You need to press the nock down when gluing it on and displace any bit of air inside to ensure a good seal.

* Fletch Tite is best because it dries flexable. Spin the nock as you set it to spread glue evenly.

I learned the hard way... Best Of Luck!

... mike ...
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: kyhuntertoo on July 22, 2009, 07:37:00 PM
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Originally posted by vtmtnman:
I gave up swage nocks.An all around pain in the rear.

Cut the swages off,glue in uni bushings and use supernocks.No more problems.They fit the string better too.
this is exactly what i have planned to do.  i did this when trying out some other shafts.  but my local guy is having a hard time getting the uni-bushings.  he's tried to order 3 times now and his supplier is out of stock.  guess i'll try looking on-line.  i'be ordered from 3 rivers before and i'll check and see if they keep stuff like this anyone know of any other places?
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: kyhuntertoo on July 22, 2009, 07:39:00 PM
and just so it's clear, and i don't look like a complete idiot, none of my nocks have been glued in place.  oddly enough, none of them have come off.  even the two that broke were still intact with the shaft, however, it was the "ear" of the nock that had split/busted.
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: Oliverstacy on July 22, 2009, 07:45:00 PM
Back when I first started flinging arrows (early 80's) they were all that way.  I remember fletching the arrows with the nocks loose and then glued them on after I got the vanes oriented correctly for the rest I was shooting.  Granted this was in my compound days…but the uni-bushing are much nicer.

If you look around and talk to some people you might find a tool that was used to clean/prep the swaged part.  You might still be able to find a new one in a bow shop that has old stock.

Josh
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: vtmtnman on July 22, 2009, 08:55:00 PM
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Originally posted by kyhuntertoo:
 
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Originally posted by vtmtnman:
I gave up swage nocks.An all around pain in the rear.

Cut the swages off,glue in uni bushings and use supernocks.No more problems.They fit the string better too.
this is exactly what i have planned to do.  i did this when trying out some other shafts.  but my local guy is having a hard time getting the uni-bushings.  he's tried to order 3 times now and his supplier is out of stock.  guess i'll try looking on-line.  i'be ordered from 3 rivers before and i'll check and see if they keep stuff like this anyone know of any other places? [/b]
90% of my non trad stuff I get from Keystone country store.Awesome service.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: red44 on July 22, 2009, 09:54:00 PM
I find the swaged nocks quieter for some reason.
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: Straitshot on July 23, 2009, 01:35:00 PM
As previously mentioned, the arrows are swaged and the nocks are glued on. Have been that way since the inception of plastic nocks and aluminum arrows until a short time back when uni-bushings appeared on the scene.
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: moebow on July 23, 2009, 01:46:00 PM
And you're playing serious Russian roullett(sp) if you don't glue them on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: Killdeer on July 23, 2009, 03:16:00 PM
" it was the "ear" of the nock that had split/busted. "

This is a typical break for an aged nock. I would suspect the nocks themselves. I go out of my way to buy shafts with swaged nock ends. I love my glue-ons.

Killdeer
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: Smallwood on July 25, 2009, 11:54:00 AM
like killdeer said, it sounds like the plastic nocks are bad/brittle. just buy new ones and see if that solves the problem.
you can glue them on with fletchtite, or whatever.
Title: Re: Swaged nocks!
Post by: GWert on July 25, 2009, 04:33:00 PM
Did you ever see one of those cone shaped wood splitters? The nock end of the shaft looks the same as the wood splitter, right? If you don't glue the nock in place, when you let it fly you are trying to force the nock into the cone and if it is not glued on it is bound to break. just my opinion