We all survived a great weekend out in Hood River Oregon under the tutelage of the master himself! Two great days of good shooting, new friends, and time spent with Rod and Emily! To say this experience was an education is an understatement. We had an excellent turnout at the home range of the Appleknocker Bowman with fellas coming from all over the West including Walt form Montana, Tyler and Brian from Idaho, the California contingent of Kurt, Dwight, David, Bjorn and son Adam, and several fellas from Washington and Oregon. Rod took the prize for furthest traveled with the big trip and time zone change for his first time in Oregon from Alabama. It's never difficult to make new friends in a company of fellow traditional shooters
For those of you who have seen MB3 then you already have an appreciation for Rod's ability to clearly describe the more technical components of correct shot mechanics. Let me tell you though, it's a whole different program when you're working with him in person! The class is organized to capitalize on strengths and points of improvement for all of the shooters present while individual techniques are discussed or used to highlight important concepts and methodologies. All of this occurs around the central theme of shot execution and development of back muscle pressure and relaxation of the bow arm. Central to this technique is the nearly complete removal of the "release" as a critical element to the shot. Back tension and EXPAND! EXPAND! EXPAND, are totally imprinted on the students and if there is any doubt then Rod and Emily break out the litmus test, the Form Master. There was a lot of anticipation when this little device was strapped on and everyone was waiting for a "Quidort" style explosion. It is a testament to Rod's teaching ability and the groups understanding when after a few shots apiece, each student had it under control and a much deeper appreciation for their individual bows abilities and characteristics. An often heard comment was how someone's bow would quiet down as their shot execution and technique improved.
A BIG thank you to Rod and Emily, Snag and Ted for getting this together and letting us have the opportunity to spend time and learn from Rod. Also thanks RER Bows and 3 Rivers for sending along bows to try and goodies to take home! There is so much information presented between Rod's discussion on technique, past experiences and the concepts for the class in addition to openly taking questions and working individually with students that it makes an unforgettable experience. It is so exciting and satisfying to see new friends, who share such a passion for our sport make breakthroughs and improvements to their shooting before your very eyes regardless of experience. My weekend has completely awakened a new paradigm on how I approach my bow and how to strive for "one perfect arrow" after another (and I have "kissed" my "dead" release goodbye! :)
A few photos of the weekend
The line up!
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Attentive students!
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Rod says, "that's right Lon, think of it like a fish hook"
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Rod with Dick strapped into the Form Master
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Two buddies
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Thorsen and the Champ!
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Snag spent a lot of time on this get-together, and organized a very successful event. We had a full house of attendees, and Snag fletched up a bunch of low # arrows for our practice sessions.
Adam and I came away with 'gorilla draw lengths'
and arrows zinging way faster than ever before!
No bull; Adam's draw increased 2" and mine a full inch. Emily and Rod do good work!
Thanks for the pictures and the review of the classes. Rod is such a great guy, I'm sure it was a treat to be around him and learn from someone with such a wealth of knowledge. There are too few like him.
Allan
"you mean these muscles back here?
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"Leftie" Walt getting ready to let her rip!
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Bjorn and son Adam getting ready to work the bale!
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"EXPAND! EXPAND! EXPAND! We'll get rid of that sinking anchor!
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Ted at Full Draw
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Kurt had everyone sign an arrow
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Greg's ~ 5th day shooting a recurve. How many folks out there wish they could have spent time with a World Champion when they were starting out?
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Rod says, "Maybe I will be able to turn you western boys into shooters!" Thumbs up!
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Fabulous experience! Got home just long enough ago to get a shower and dinner and now catching up. If you get the chance to do this, you WILL become a better shot.
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It's good to hear all you FMS guys enjoyed and benefited so much from this experience! :thumbsup:
I'd like to say that traditional archers are the best bunch of people to spend some time with. From making meals to helping setup things everyone pitched in and got things done with a positive attitude. What a great group of guys. It was fun getting to know you guys a little more.
Rod is truly a good natured man with the ability, like all great teachers, to gently lead you toward beneficial realizations. There was a lot of "lightbulbs" going on! To have absorbed his thoughts and watching others as they incorporated these thoughts was truly life changing for this archer! It was so uplifting to see you guys open up to embracing what Rod was conveying. But then to see guys come around to shooting so well their bows were quieter and they were in control of THEIR shot! That was awesome. Now we can build on this for the rest of lifes. How wonderful is that guys?!
Thanks Rod for taking the time and putting that energy into those 2 days. I was very impressed with not only the information but "your way" of delivering it.
Emily, I really enjoyed getting to talk with you and about your dad's bows-RER's are really shooters!!! Emily was wearing a t-shirt that said something like "Yes, I do hunt like a girl!"...if there was ever any doubt she could hold her own with a bunch of guys, the statement "MAN UP!" put that to rest!!!! Loved it! hahaha
If anyone out there has ever struggled with shooting well sometimes and then falling apart at other times (all of us!!!) find a way to put together one of these shooting clinics with Rod. From already good shooters to greenhorns it benefited us all.
Thanks to Ted and his wife for opening up your home to all of us for a great time of fellowship and food.
Thanks Sean for your help with communicating on different logistics. Loved your little boys elk calls! :D
....All you "Rod's Rangers"...."pull harder"!
Well it's time to head to the blind bale for my first morning shooting session. No "less thans" is the goal. Thanks Rod.
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Rod is one of the great guys.... How often do you see a world class guy constantly giving back to the comunity like he does, fantastic...
You guys who have been fortunate enough to attend his shooting clinics should be very thankful.. Not many times in life do you have opportunities like that arise...
Great stuff...
AMEN to that Pat.
I also want to give a BIG "thank you" to Surewood Shafts! The donation of all those shafts was really appreciated. Thanks Doug! Also I loved shooting your "Baron" bow. Do you still want it back? :D
I will jump in as Rod and Emily are slowly making their way back east while throwing in a little sightseeing so they probably won't see this post for a couple days.
My family considers ourselves fortunate to call Rod and the entire TerMaat family our friends. Not only friends but nieghbors, we both call Merrill, WI. home.
We just got back from spending the weekend together at the PBS odd year gathering where they donated a bow while Rod and Emily were out by you folks giving the class.
A family (and Rod) totally committed to traditional archery that offers world class products while taking every opportunity to share their products and talents with the rest of us.
THAT is what makes our traditional lifestyle so special.
Chris and Deb Hartwig
NewWood Longbows
What a great time we had , Rod and Emily were great teachers , I hope you all got as much from this as I did , but I cheated and watched Masters of the Bare bow #3 about 100 times before going .
A big thanks to David for the idea of this as well as the logistics , great job , a big thanks for Sean well for being Sean and a medal of honor for Doug for prepping the camping area and range.
A great time with great people , looking forward to doing it again next year. Once we have the dates we will let you know , a must be there clinic.
And a big thank you to you too, Ted, for the great barbeque on Saturday evening! For any of you who haven't seen it, it's worth a visit to Hood River just to see Ted's shop, which is really about 80% archery museum and 20% trad bow shop.
Don't know if this will make sense (or even be acceptable 8^) ) but while thinking about all of Rod's explanation of body mechanics and how they set up the shot, I got to thinking that what Rod had done was teach me how to shoot a compound bow! And, that I have a compound bow... my own body. If I think of my shoulder joints as wheels and my spine as a fulcrum point, I can think of pulling through the fulcrum to where my body's bones are bracing the draw, and I can hold more weight without the muscle strain that caused my terrible creep, kind of like pulling a compound through to the let off point. By the end of the class, I was drawing Arrowl Flynn, which is probably 43# at my new longer 26" draw, and shooting it just fine. I might have to build myself a 38# bow! That'd be a fantastic gain for me.
Remember guys you are all now members of the FMS club
Glad to see everyone had a good time! Snag, ya I do want the bow back, sorry.
stump
Treebeard,
That was an excellent post to get this thread started and I'm sure the entire group of students has the same feelings regarding the event.
There were so many that went beyond the call of duty to make this a success. Pitching in to help cook, cleanup,and other chores was rather difficult since so many wanted to lend a hand.
Putting faces to all these tradgang folks was expecially rewarding.
Thanks to everyone for making this memorable.
Yes, Rod's a great instructor who is more than generous in sharing his knowlege and experience.
Thank you Ted for the barbeque and tour of Raptor Archery and the museum.
Our days began with Snag's awesome coffee and huge breakfasts.
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Brent preparing the bacon with advice from David who was waiting to pour on the honey.
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Snag and Runamuk deciding how many eggs for 15 hunger bowmen.
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Bjorn and 15 yr.old son Adam were there from California. (BTW, feral hogs try to stay clear of Adam and his ACS.)
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Emily and Rod trying to figure out what to do with these archers from the West.
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Yeah, I like the t-shirt Emily.
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Brian shows Emily his fat lip from the string slap while Snag shows his form on the bales.
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This looked like a great event with some awesome weather!
Thanks for sharin' some photos of the gatherin' with us.
Shoot straight, Shinken
Rod Jenkins is a man of his word..
Here is a quote from Rod on the bringing Rod Jenkins out west thread..
(runamuk if you have seen MBB3, you can start working on your shot sequence...otherwise just bring an open mind! You will be able to shoot a group after 2 days, but more importantly make your first shot count........)
Shortly after the clinic was over i shot the first group i have ever shot that wasn't just dumb luck,, And i had witnesses..
Plus to my amazement the groups just kept coming.
I finally have a solid foundation to build on, And for the first time in 4 years believe i can and will become the kind of shot i always wanted to be..
Many Thanks Rod and Emily you have made archery exciting again,, Sure hope we can do it again next year..
Snag what can i say?? You had it together man You were well organized.. Plenty of great grub,, And i can't imagine all the time and effort you had in all of those arrows beautiful job..
I can't thank you enough for all that you done putting this together..
All the Appleknockers were great, Doug and Sean were very accommodating, they had the camping areas all ready for us they had a couple of nice big awnings set up and the range was in great shape.. Thanks guys..
It was a great feeling to be a part of all this and meet all the great people there..
I can honestly say i have never met a nicer bunch of people..
Sounds like a good time. Wish I could have been there.
Stupid joke: Why does Rod Jenkins live in Alabama?
It's the only state with a BAM in it. :) sorry
BAM! was a big theme through the weekend Denny!
Yes, Rod lives in BAMA where hunting and college football are second only to God. ;)
I made the mistake of wearing my Tennessee Vols hat and had to hear more than once, "Nothing sucks like a big orange." :saywhat: :biglaugh:
Here are a few more pics:
The pretty little girl in front is Runamuk's best friend "Daisy".
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"OK, who wants to be first on the Formaster?"
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Poor Daisy...these guys never drop anything from their plate.
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Here's Dick telling Ted about the time he ran away from home and became a high dive specialist with the circus.
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Mr. Stump, see you at the Pope&Young with the Baron! Great bow you made!
It would have been great to have you join us Denny. Maybe next year??? I bet you could destroy one of those Form Masters! haha So, that's why Rod live in 'Bama!
Treebeard, please tell the archery club how much we appreciated the use of the range! I wish I could have met and shook the hand of the Pres. of the club.
Rod and Emily, hope you enjoyed yourselves and got to see a little more of our state before heading home. Maybe next time I can take you down the McKenzie River in a driftboat fishing for steelhead and trout.
We live in great times as Traditional Archers, DVD's on trad archery, folks giving clinics and schools on shooting a stickbow. Glad you guys all had a great time, and the easterners shared some shooting know-how with us westerners.
Neat that Emily took part in the clinic! Exciting times.
Well, I'm jealous! Glad you guys had such a good time. Perhaps sometime soon we can kidnap Rod & Emily for a repeat in So Cal. Perhaps when the weather cools.....gosh it's hot here now....
I finished putting my "class" page together for the HH Longbowmen last night. Many similar pix and even some the same, as Lon was kind enough to let me use some of his. I was kind of sick Saturday (I couldn't resist that big breakfast and let my blood sugar get ahead of me) and so didn't do a good job of keeping up with the photography. I did get in some nice shots of some of the "bumps" in our beautiful NW land... from Seattle, you go by Mt. Ranier, Mt. St. Helens and Mt. Hood on the way to the class site.
I treated the event as the first "adventure" for Arrowl Flynn, the hunting weight bow I built for the Longbowmen. He came to the class with me to learn to shoot right, and Rod took a moment to teach him. Now the Longbowmen who get him to hunt with will have no excuse... Arrowl will do his part. 8^)
Here's a link to the page:
http://www.howardhilllongbowmen.com/arrowl-adventures/arrowl-adventures.html
One shot shows my Old Phartt's Archery sweat shirt on display.... Remember, Old Phartt's does not build bows to sell.
Well Rod and Emily are heading to the Oregon coast this morning, we will miss their company here at the Fry household. I managed to get them out Steelhead fishing yesterday as the wind calmed for a bit , Emily caught a nice 10 # fish and Rod had on a nice big 12#er only to have it get caught in another line and break off at the boat, we had Emily's for dinner YUM!
Two nicer people you will never meet.
If you can set one of these classes up in your area you will benefit beyond expectations, Runamuk was correct in his comparison, I saw him shooting at my store on Friday ( take cover) and I also witnessed the shots he was talking about on Sunday, watch out elk , here comes Tyler!
Denny , like Larry said , we live in great times and we owe a bunch of that to you guys and the Masters of the Barebow series for helping get all that started.
We will be doing another class in June of next year, priority goes to the veterans of this year but we will gladly invite new comers as we know about spots available, I have two signed up for next year already .By the way Denny , from the sounds of it Rod just may put Emily on a plane home and stay here in Oregon, at least part of the year, I doubt we could keep him out of the south during deer season, I look forward to chasing deer with him in Alabama some time
Where to start?
I just can't thank the Oregon guys enough for the hard work organizing this, with Snag just going way beyond the extra mile, Thank you David.
The new people I met and became friends with, to putting faces to old friends from here, probably some of the nicest guys to camp and shoot with, I have ever met. :campfire:
Now, on to the clinic
Rod and Emily have a method to their coaching that has to be experienced.
Almost every one of us needs new arrows, because of Rod explaining "pull harder" and Form Master surviving, well ok Emily calling "MAN UP" helped(it only took once)
THANK YOU!! Team Jenkins
Well going out to do blind bale work now, more later
Hey Kurt,
Thanks again for letting me trade you out of that '62 Grizzly! I've already had 3 sessions on the bales with that 46# sweetie.
It's going to be tough shooting at blank bales for 2 weeks, but this ole grasshopper knows I should follow the master's advice.
(Ted, add me to next year's list as well.)
Ted, if there are any openings for next year please put my name down. I look forward to continuing with my continuation...haha
Was talking about the class with some folks elsewhere and was asked about trying javelina... great! Unfortunately, I was pretty damn sick Saturday... a severe case of stupidity. I'm diabetic and usually control myself very well, but that big fried up camp breakfast overcame my common sense. By mid-afternoon I realized I was in trouble and started taking action and had things back under control by dinner, but was still pretty shaky. I only ate a little bit of javelina and some salmon. The javelina was delicious... flavorful pork and not very greasy. I'd love to eat some again. The salmon was great, too, but then, I'm a fiend for barbecued salmon, and do a really mean job of it myself whenever we have a big get together here.
I got myself together enough to do a little show Saturday night for a few of the folks, but I'm sure it was far from my best. Louie had a lot of fun trying to get a date with Emily, though :D
The class, was scheduled before the economy went into the portapotty, and was well worth the price. However, Rod Jenkins is one fine human bean. In recognition of the state of economic affairs for everyone, he dropped the price when we got there! Those who paid in full in advance got a refund and the rest got to write smaller checks.
I think Rod did this one partly to get out here and see the country. He loved it!
You know, one of the things that has always kind of troubled me about us archers is that we fall so easily into the trap of being willing to spend large amounts repeatedly for new bows, but rarely spend significantly to learn to shoot them well. I've been to two classes... Bob Wesley's at Whisperin' Pines taught me a good solid aiming system and now this one has given me (if I practice!) a good solid shooting platform to make that aiming work. I read the books and watch the dvd's, and they are good, but nothing is as effective as having an instructor right there to tell you, "No, no, that's wrong. Try this..." And, when you finally get it right, they're saying, "Yes! That's it. Now, how did that feel? Remember that feeling and repeat it." Then you know what you're working for, not wondering if you've got it right.
Wow! What a great coupla' days Adam and I had with everyone at the 'shooting clinic' really enjoyed putting a face to what was just a prior Tradgang moniker.
Emily and Rod clearly are committed to doing their best toward making sure we get even more enjoyment out of this great sport.
And it is great to know that Ted took them out for a successful whack at the Salmon run on the Columbia-good going on your catch Emily!
So, who's had their first blind bale shooting session? I got to 5yds and had a "less than"...back to 3yds. I sure like being accountable to a routine in developing a solid shot sequence.
It's really encouraging to see folks getting involved in better shooting techniques. I've been involved in the forums for a long time and am seeing a wonderful evolution among today's archers/bowhunters. Accuracy....it's beautiful.
Way to go fellows, expecially Captain Dick. You are never too old. 8^).
I think everyone ahead of me has done a great job of telling the "TRUTH" about the weekend.
Rod reminded us, that sometimes, archers have a tendency to embelish their shooting skills. Not to say they would "LIe" or anything. I think a lot of us really don't have a clue what good form is. Let me tell you, Rod, and Miss Emily are a couple hard driving coaches that will help you out. I know I came out of the clinic thinking...why oh why didn't I do this years ago??
If you get a chance to attend, please do, you will not be dissatisfied .
Thanks Rod and Emily!
Just a side note to the guys that were there....I have in my possession some nice camping gear that was left behind. Send me a PM, hopefully we can get this back to you soon... and thanks for the great weekend...Doug
I'm still in a state of exuberant wonderment over the whole weekend. Learning from Rod and Emily was the best coaching I've ever had. And a nicer group of folks to spend the time with would be hard to beat. I think I learned something from everyone there. To all, my thanks and gratitude. If there will be another session next summer with Rod, I'm definately IN on that! Special thanks to to Snag and Ted for doing so much of the grunt work getting this event together. :notworthy: Now I'm off to the blind bale. Form Master (lie detector) is on order! Best regards to all.
Dave
Hey Doug looks like we signed up to TradGang about the same time i am member# 10418
Just wanted to say I too had a great time meeting Rod, Emily, and all the Tradgangers and family members this weekend. Will be hitting the blind bale this evening for my first session and looking forward to working on my form. After floundering around for the last four years now feel I have a solid foundation to build on to get this arrow shootin down pat.
I'd also like to thank everybody involved in putting this weekends event together. All the Hood River locals are really good people and did a great job as hosts.
Snag thank you for coming up with the idea and coordinating the whole thing. It was a lot of fun.
Made a lot of new friends but in particular I got to know kurtbel5 pretty well as we had plenty of time to get to know each other on the drive up from California. It was a little over 1200 miles to hood river for Kurt and I hitched a ride with him for better than half that and it made the trip much shorter that if we had driven up on our own. Thanks Kurt.
Biglegmax,
I found out that the stove and lantern belongs to Bjorn when he showed up early Monday morning at the range to retrieve it. I told him I thought it was being taken to Ted's.
...and thanks to you Biglegmax for your help and hospitality. You were the first one I met when I arrived on Friday and gave me the tour. Lon
How about this one from Rod
"Doing the same thing over and over and thinking you will get a different result is crazy"
David please count me in for next year
Kurt
What a great time that looks like.
There are only two states in the union I have not been to. The first is Arkansas and I believe I will stay out of that one now just on principle :p . Class looks like a good reason to go to the other which is Oregon.
biglegmax: Thanks for taking care of my stuff!
Perhaps you might bring my stove and lantern to Ted's sometime and I can get it from there. Hope that works for you.
Bjorn, hope you are still in town. I will drop it by Ted's tomorrow.
Tyler, the stars must have been in the right position that day! I wish we would have signed up for some coaching that day also... we might be shooting like Hill, instead of He__.... !!!!
I'd just like to say that to be apart of this has truly been gratifying. To see all you guys progress in the right direction was amazing. You did come with open minds and you followed Rod's lead. Why to go guys! :thumbsup: :campfire:
I am sporting a rather sore nose this morning! I need one of those "nose bandaids"! In my blind bale session yesterday I got to 5yds and started leaning my head into the bow to look over the arrow and whack!!! That got my attention! Back to 3yds. Kurt, I understand that saying too well! haha But I know how to correct it. It is part of my shot sequence-alignment!!!
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sorry Guys I am slow on the learning curve to get pics off that monster camera.
Here Is the only Group shot that had all, sorry Kurt" of us in it,, I got half of Kurt 3 more times.. More to come as i figure it out..
It was an Honor to meet you guys, and shoot with you..Brian
Thanks for posting this Brian. Pretty good job of picture taking considering you had to run from the camera and jump in the picture! haha
Plus its my good half lol
If any of you men want to make your own Formaster for practically nothing, check out the tutorial I posted on the Shooters Forum with a title of "Want to make your own Formaster?).
There is also an excellent youtube video posted over there by onesharpbroadhead regarding the use of the Formaster.
Of course, Masters of the Barebow III has great info and footage of the device.
Wow....what can I say ! I thoroughly enjoyed meeting and working with everyone at the great Oregon clinic! :notworthy: :notworthy:
The highlight for me was watching all the light bulbs come on and the grins appear! Just a great group of guys!
Thanks to all who made this happen and I'll post more after I return home.
Rod
Adam and I came home from the session and decided to shoot a few thru the chrono to see what the bottom line might be. We shot the same 50# bow and 600 gn arrows to eliminate variables. I gained about 8 fps from my new draw length-so that seems pretty good-no sacrifice in accuracy.
However, Adam has mastered the 'expansion' and the release.
Even though his draw is over one inch less than mine(Adam is 15) his arrows fly faster-think about that. Less draw, less power, same bow, same arrow-faster arrow speed. What is going on?
Adam's arrows gained over 20 fps as a result of attending Rod and Emily's clinic! And his accuracy is just as good as before and getting better.
Guys and gals; if you haven't sheduled yourself for one of these clinics-do so; but leave your kid at home! LOL!!
It just keeps getting better..
I tried three under tonite,Instantly knew that it's for me..My draw was easier and smoother, It was much easier to get to my anchor and pull through.. And i don't know how much , But i am sure i just got a little MORE!!! draw length, My arrows are penetrating several inches more now..
Something else is clicking ,,I had no idea how sweet a bow could perform when tuned properly and shot sorta properly..
I am definitely starting to appreciate what a nice bow i have, And what it can do..
Bjorn, that's very revealing! Those young pups! haha
Runamuk, the fun continues.... :thumbsup:
One thing I thought of when I saw how quiet our bows became when we pulled through the shot...we stick string silencers on our bows and talk about our noisy this bow or quiet this bow is...how much of all this is really just how poorly we shoot? It is so easy to blame the tool for not doing the job. When really we should be looking at how we are using it. Thanks Rod.
I stepped back to 15 yards and took some shots with 3 under and was very pleased with my groups.
But i was hitting about 5 inches low of my intended target,,So i moved my arrow above my nock point and was only about 2 inches low..
should i keep moving my nock point up until i am dead on?? is there a limit on how much higher i can go and still get good performance??
Also should i have two nock points on my string and place the arrow between them??
Thanks for any input..
I wouldn't move your nock point at all. If you are getting good arrow flight with the original nock pt. don't move it. That is where the arrow likes to be shot from. Now, as far as, where the arrow hits that's up to you. You have the arrow closer to your eye with 3 under so it will hit lower than when shooting split. You have to adjust how you aim or, for those who supposedly don't aim, how your sight picture looks in relation to the arrow.
Thanks Snag ,, after reading my post i realized just how lame those questions are..
There are no lame questions...only lame answers! haha If we don't ask, we don't know.
hello everyone! I just wanted to drop a quick note to say THANK YOU! i had a great time out west, and thoroughly enjoyed the adventure. special thanks to snag for getting everything put together, and to the Fry family for their hospitality. keep up the good shooting!! :)
Hi Emily, I dropped your Dad a note to tell him you represented the TerMaat name well! :thumbsup: Also had some questions for him about his bows. Glad you had a good time and enjoyed your stay. I heard you are a "steelheader" now! They fight a bit don't they?
I finally got out and did some practice today. I must be doing something right. Muscles I never knew I had in my back are hurting and saying "Oh, you wanted us to help!?" Actually, it felt good. I had lots of "less thans", but I could feel the good ones and I'll keep working on that.
I've had a hard time coming back from the weekend. I really screwed myself up and it's going to take a few more days to get properly back under control. No excuses, pure stupidity. Hope to be back up to par for the TBW shoot next weekend.
Sounds like all had a great time. Just wondering how many are sporting a Band-aid from their new anchor point?...PR 8^)
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I had a session with Paul WA at a local range yesterday and was proudly displaying my new anchor point which I had marked with a band-aid. :D
BTW, watching Paul shoot made me think that he had just taken Rod's class. He had great form with that 29" draw and he even touches the top of his shoulder upon conclusion like Rod. :thumbsup:
I just came in from my 1/2hr bale work.
I did my blind bale shots and started my bridge,6th shot had a "less than perfect" (anchor creep)
Back to 10 ft, man 20 minutes of bale work is harsh.
I also had a string slap my chest,not as bad as some we saw lol, but it is a 1st for me, I think I was leaning my head back, trying to pull harder.
Bow is very quite and arrows are flying great, due to the increase of my draw length.
I am already feeling a better tempo to my shooting,
I did way to much flinging of arrows before Rods class,expecting improvement through repetition, (definition of crazy)
Taking my time and concentrating on no "less than perfect" shots has really made a start in improving my groups.
I made a couple errors letting an arrow go, when I knew I should of let down and started over on my shot sequence.
Member: FMS Archery Club
(Form Master Survivor)
Kurt, sounds like you are being honest with yourself and are progressing. I have to still remind myself to s-l-o-w d-o-w-n....haha I loved it when Rod would step up to a guy he was watching and put his hand on his shoulder and say in that soft and easy southern way, "How about if we just slow down a bit." haha I have only got out to 10yds so far. I did cheat and go to 20yds. to see how I was shooting. I have a 3D tournament this weekend and was needing to shoot a little farther back. Next week I'll start back at 5 yds.
David
FMS
Well, Blackhawk got me shooting an arrow every 45 seconds and guess what? No more shoulder pain after the 4th arrow ( Dislocated my bow arm shoulder a few yrs ago and it never healed right)...PR
Snag, I got to say the words "slow down" a bunch in Oregon ...entire dang bunch were in a big hurry to shoot! :biglaugh:
My point has always been....how can anyone expect to shoot fast perfect shots, until they can shoot perfect shots however long they take.Once you have a solid shot sequence...you can shoot that sequence as fast as needed...when needed.
I guess we were in a hurry to show off where we needed help! :biglaugh:
two sessions on the form master,,then @3 yards 30 arrow not so perfect,, 30 minutes on pull harder..side of my lip still getting SMACKED, hard to be perfect when it hurts after a while?
Brian, if you can PM, me your #.
I've been watching some of the Video we shot and I think I may have another clue in the lip smacking mystery :)
what a awsome time to read about would love to have been there
This weekend our trad. club hosted the Pope&Young 3D Shoot. http://www.taoregon.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.py
With a lot of good natured ribbing going on it was a good environment to test out my shot sequence. It made a big difference to help me settle into the shot. Scored quite a bit higher than last year!
Poor ol Daisey was bit by a rattler tonite..
I was out setting up an Antelope blind on a water hole at midnite..
I only took about 5 minutes to set it up,, When i called for her she came back on 3 legs,, So i checked her out thinking i was going to pull a sticker out.. As i was looking for the sticker, her foot and leg started swelling up right before my eyes and in less than a minute it was more than twice the normal size and still swelling. Got her to the vet about half hour later,,He confirmed it was a snake bite, So he gave her a a few shots and said not to worry she would be fine..
I guess no more checking water holes in flip flops and shorts for me..
Oh man, sorry to hear that James! Poor ol' gal. You got to teach her to JUST retrieve birds! :D I hope see is doing fine and that this experience will stop her from further interaction with snakes. Of course, at midnite maybe the snake was not rattling at her approach..??? She may have just stepped too close..???
Sure sorry to hear about Daisey, but know you will take care of her...and give her a hug from all of us.
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Note to self Daisy , leave the snakes!
Glad you got her to the vet and all will be good .
Check those blinds before you climb in as well
Tyler.
Runamuk good thing you got Daisey to the vet on time especially being midnight, she is great dog.
Thanks everybody she's doing fine ,, Her biggest worry right now is if she doesn't quit ripping
them horrible stinkers she is gonna have to set up camp in my shop for awhile..I guess the venom is effecting more than her leg..Her foot has swollen up bigger than a softball and looks like it is going to explode any second..
I have taken her in the past few years for anti venom boosters and the vet said that it would have been alot worse if i hadn't.. They are only 36.00 per year I highly recommend it for folks that hunt or live in snake country..
Lon,, she is getting plenty of hugs and attention, Some kids in the neighborhood have her all propped up on pillows and are spoiling her pretty good with some hot dogs..
Thanks all for your concern..
Tyler sorry to hear about Daisey. I'm sure she will be ready to hang out with you soon.
Propped up on pillows and being fed hot dogs...where's that snake?!!! :biglaugh:
Thanks Rod she is doing pretty good..
Good one snag :clapper: ...