Thinking of trading my Black Widow for a Robertson. Would like to here some input on how the Robertson compares to Black Widow. Opinions and facts both appreciated. Thanks!!
I have a custom Robertson Stykbow Vision Falcon and another in the works and to me there is no better bow out there. Dick stands behind all his work which is top shelf, not just in the mechanics but in the wood working as well. He uses several different cores depending on the application so the action is crisp and quiet. The bow I have hits very hard, tuned with out any fuss and most important it is consistent and forgiving, a great target or hunting bow maker, not to mention he makes each and everyone of them. I think trading in the Black Widow for one of Dick's stykbows is a definite trade up, all the best , Joe
I know i am one of the rare few who own or have owned Black Widows who cant shoot them well but i never could ,after repeated trying.Loved the design and workmanship of the bow. On the other hand always could shoot the Robertson bow very good. They were quieter(much) smoother on the draw,Faster, and had a excellent grip. IMO i would and have chosen the Robertson between the two.
Though I have never really shot a Black Widow (I have held one but it was a lefty), I own a Robertson Vision Falcon IV. It is the best recurve I have ever shot, period. It fits like a glove in the hand, shoots smoothly with no stacking at 28" and hits where I look. Plus, the bow is simply beautifully made. I bought the bow second hand, contacted Dick, and he was more than cordial with me about the bow's history. Even though he did not sell me the bow directly, he still took time to speak with me about it. I cannot say enough good things about Robertson bows or Dick. If I were in your position, I would do that trade all day.
My Robertson "Purist" is whisper quiet and thumps an arrow. Prefer it over Widows I have shot. Just an opinion though. Best way is to shoot both bows side by side if possible. Good luck.
Have to disagree guys... I've shot them both plenty and the Widow is the best shooting recurve I've ever handled. But everyone is different so just my opinion. I would Not say trading in a widow is an upgrade.. Blasphemy hahahah....
I have owned a widow and only shot a Robertson and if I didnt build my own bows would be shooting Dicks bows. Much better than the widow in my opinion and super folks to talk to.
I have owned both. Robertson makes a good bow and they are pretty. That being said I think the Widow is better hands down. The Robertson may fit you better though. Better shoot one first. I wouldn't trade my widow for 2 Robertson's, but thats just me.
Never shot a robertson but have one coming. I have shot several widows and I was not impressed. My good friend loves them though.
Both are as good as it gets...but they are 2 different styles of bows. Pick which one works best for you...or even better, have one of each.
I have owned a Robertson Mystical longbow and it was sweet. The quality was top of the line and it hit where you were looking.That being said I have owned three widows and my latest a New PL longbow is a fine a bow as I`ve ever owned.
Believe it or not...those that know me know that I have the dreaded "can`t shoot one bow long" sickness. I`m actually tired of all the horsetrading and believe I have found one I intend to keep in this plII.
I recommend having both and if I liked the Widow I would`nt trade it.RC
I have a Robertson vision falcon V ,and another vision on the way soon..the grip fits me like a glove( love it) and the shelf sits right close to the knuckle which made for shooting instictive very easy..have shot trad for 15yrs,and have shot plenty of different bows and hands down this is the smoothest and best performing bow in my opinion.. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I have both Black Widow and Robertson,both of them are excellent bows; But if I have to choose I prefere the Robertson it is smoother,quieter,easier to fine tune and for elk hunting much more lighter.The Black widow for its mass is a little more stable and forgiving,but just of a little.Since you master your Robertson you don't come back and the new Fatal Styk is much better too!!!!
I'd take either one but trade two of them for a Border. I have found however that, as with skiis, you can try something new and you can quickly conclude that "this is the best ever!" Now the new thing is foam yet smoothness can be measured and there is no added advantage to foam in terms of smoothness-it's all string angles and design etc. Try it yourself by putting two exact bows (one wood, one foam) on that machine that measures draw force curves. But it's new. Hit a few bulls with the new foam bow and you'll be buying one. Robinhood with some other bow and the order is in. It's all fun and I'll never quit shooting other people's bows but I think I'm with RC, I might have quit buying more and will just keep what I have. :) Right now it's a Border GL longbow with that old fashioned longbow handle and "D" shape when strung, 64". Because that is what a longbow is to me. Of course, tomorrow I might buy a hybrid. :) So anyway, I guess what I'm saying is just keep what you have and save the postage. :D :thumbsup:
(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/dazzafelix/DSCF0004.jpg)Fatal Styk Z 2009.58"-61# Honduras Rosewood with Ebony stripe-Bocote limbs.SMOOTH,QUIET,ACCURATE
i have two friends who shoot black widows and have shot them both they are nice shooters but i like my robertson WAY better!!! in my opinion robertson is the best they are great shooters.the bw's all kinda look the same and robertsons are all different and all beautiful bows,but even if my robertson was flat black i would rather have it than a black widow.
I currently have a Robertson Vision Falcon II and a BW PSAX. They are both very fine bows. As said above, they are completely different in design. Both are very well constructed and good looking. I get similar performance from both. I would not hesitate to take either hunting with complete confidence in their ability to get the job done.
To me, the only real edge that the Robertson has is that it is lighter. The BW is pretty heavy.
You have a BW so you know how you like it. Robertson will send you a bow to try with just a credit card as security. I would suggest having him send you one to try.
Widows are all run of the mill unless you get the X version. I shot one the same weight and length as my chekmate and my bow was noticeably faster. Overrated in my opinion.
Get the Robertson.
BlackWidows are for me the best bow I have ever shot. The Robertson I shot was a decent bow but no Widow. The owner of the Robertson even said "man thats a shooter" after he shot my Widow. Just a couple more weeks and a PSRX will be at my house to go along with a few other Widows. ;)
You dont build bows for this long without being one of the best.
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I like widows- last two lifetimes easy, and are great shooters.
Thanks for the reply's guys. This is going to be a hard decision. :confused: :confused: :banghead:
They both offer test drives, so you have them both at once to try. May cost a few bucks in shipping but if you get one and dont like it you will loose more than that in re-sale.
Eric
Take Westbrook's advice and do the test drive before you spend your money. I ordered a BW PSAV without having handled one. I hated everything about that bow. I lucked out because some bamboo lifted and they replaced it and were gracious enough to make me a PSR. I ordered it too light in draw weight or it would be here now. I got a Peregrine from Robertson and it stayed with me. I spent well over $1000 on a bow I hated and it was nobodies fault but my own. Drive before you buy.
Robertson Vision Falcon gets my vote as well hands down. I've owned two Robertsons, and shot a few Widows. I was actually waiting for demo Widow when I got my first Robertson demo and I immediately purchased the Robertson.
The BW is a great shooting bow too. But heavier and louder than the Robertson...and the Robertson grip is the best I've felt. If I ever go back to shooting recurves, Dick will be getting a call.
But as Westbrook mentioned, you have an easy decision with these two bows...you can and should demo them both and that will decide for you. Robertson will not charge your card for the price of the bow to demo it either...only for the shipping and you can keep the bow you demo if you like it.
I have both a robertson and a blackwidow. I really like the looks and feel of the robertson, but I do not shoot it well. The Widow also is well built and I seem to shoot it better. I would suggest a test drive also
I shoot the Widow much better but have always wanted a Robertson. Until you shoot them both and decide what you like better you'll never know for sure. Both quality bows but if neither shoot well for you you may as well throw rocks.
Good luck
To me the widow is more durable, holds it's value better and is eaiser to shoot well. The Robertson is quieter, and may be a touch faster. The grips are very different though and a preference there would determine which of the two I'd go with.
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To me the widow is more durable...
I've owned the same Robertson Prarie Falcon since 1985. It only gets unstrung to change strings or silencers. It's been dropped from trees, slid down mountains, jammed into swamps, bounced around in pick-ups, shot hundreds of thousands of times and made practically all the red meat my family eats. It's been the only bow I've hunted with in 25 years. I can't say how many critters it has taken because I purposely quit counting years ago but it's been a mess. In all that time it's been refinished twice. That's all. Shoots as good as the day I first picked it up.
If durability is a problem with Robertsons I ain't seen it. If anything I would think Widows with their thinner limbs would be more prone to issues.
I have to agree with Plug, I have a older Robertson peregin and it has been trough the wars and still shoots great. I have not shoot a widow but I like a light bow for hunting and the peregin fit the bill. Does anyone know if he can lighten the draw weight, it is too heavy for me now.
I own both. Dick's bows are terrific... as are Widows. You are not really comparing apples to apples between the two. It's all in the eyes of the beholder. To me, both are fast, smooth and good shooters. Dick is a good friend and an excellent bowyer, but how can you go wrong with either? Both Dick and Widow contribute mightily to traditional archery. However, if I must choose between the two bows... Robertson would be my choice.
I bought a trybal styk from Robertson one month ago. This is my second one of his and must say he makes a very good product. The bow fits in my hand nicely and is very quiet. I have three other bowyers bows and although nice bows, they dont shoot like the Robertson(one is a widow I bought used). Its only my opinion.
Might not be either one for you. Surely you won't take our word for it....I hope not. Shoot them both, they are both great bows. I'm not a Black Widow fan because I don't shoot them well; they don't fit my style. I liked the Robertson better, but there are so many others that are just as good, or better, than both of them.
If the bow don't fit....do not committ.
Wise words George.RC
I believe Robertson has 10% off some Vision recurves that are in stock now! My first two longbows were Dick's. Great longbows and he has a new model longbow out now! Ken
I have shot both. The Robertson I test drove last year was one of the most beutiful bows I've ever seen. The grip was absolutely perfect for me. It had an Ebony Riser and Juniper limbs, it was simply stunning.
It was a 60'' bow and as it approached 28&1/2'' it felt like it hit a wall. Maybe I should have tried a 62'' bow. But I was very dissappointed with the way it felt.
I still can't figure out what to buy.