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Title: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on June 30, 2009, 01:18:00 AM
Well, despite trying really hard at Bowaholics Anonymous, I fell off the wagon just over five weeks ago. Of course, I have excuses: "I spent too much time hanging around Tony and his D longbow..." or, "I've always wanted to try this particular model..." Anyway, with the funds from a bowhunting story burning a hole in my pocket, a few e-mails to Craig Ekin at Howard Hill Archery, and the deal was done. In the process I discovered that FedEx does deliver to Katherine, as long as you give them the residential postcode and not the PO Box postcode. I missed the delivery yesterday as we went to Darwin to drop the Grandmother-in-law off at the airport, and was excited to see the note on the door when I got back. I popped in to collect the longbow this morning, and soon set it up for some shooting, with Gabby supervising. The cool thing about this one is that it's the first bow I've had where the wooden arrows are made by myself right from the start; and they flew nicely, too (I'm a strong believer in The Formula). Anyway, here are some pictures:

(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/b_kleinig/Archery%20Gear/NewHowardHillWesleySpecial005.jpg)

(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/b_kleinig/Archery%20Gear/NewHowardHillWesleySpecial006.jpg)

(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/b_kleinig/Archery%20Gear/NewHowardHillWesleySpecial007.jpg)

(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/b_kleinig/Archery%20Gear/MoreWesleySpecial001.jpg)

(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l164/b_kleinig/Archery%20Gear/LastWesleySpecialandGabby001.jpg)

Oh, and it is 70", 75lb @ 28", tillered for 3-under. The riser is bocote, and being a Wesley Special it has five laminations of bamboo. The arrows are 30" long Douglas fir, spined 95/100lb, and wearing 160 grain tips, for a total weight of 701 grains (which surprised this beginner arrow-maker a little, as the arrows that Joe made for the Silvertip, same specifications except spined 105/110lb and with a painted cap / crown [I think that's the term], weigh 775 grains).

Good shooting to All,

Ben
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Dick in Seattle on June 30, 2009, 01:35:00 AM
Congrats.... always a thrill to get a new Hill!
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: RC on June 30, 2009, 01:36:00 AM
Fine Bow Ben.I have hunted with a Wesley some and I loved it.You`ll probably be sport`n some pork or maybe one of them goats before long.RC
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Ray_G on June 30, 2009, 02:23:00 AM
Looks like you and the bow are gettin' on fine, Ben.  We will be looking forward to the adventures that you take.

The Formula?

I enjoyed your article about Geoff Arnold.  It must be a grand time to sit and hear his stories and advice.

Ray
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Doc Blues on June 30, 2009, 03:16:00 AM
Howdy Ben,

realy nice Bow  :clapper:  

Markus
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: shick on June 30, 2009, 03:33:00 AM
Ben, good looking combination.  I wish you well with it.......................Shick
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on June 30, 2009, 03:42:00 AM
Thanks, fellows! This bow has arrived just in time to, hopefully, help make some adventures.

Ray G: I'm glad you liked it! Thanks! The Formula helps a fellow select wooden arrows to suit, especially usefull when one is new to the game. Danny Rowan let me know about it. It's pretty simple:

"Draw weight plus five pounds. Then add five pounds for every inch of arrow over 28" (subtract five for each inch under). Then add five pounds if the shelf is cut to or past centre. Then add five pounds if you're using a low-stretch string. Then add five pounds if shooting 160 to 190 grains of broadhead."

I know, it's not bare-shaft tuning, but I swear that it works! Some good animals have bitten the dust from arrows selected this way! Of course, you can use it to get a ball-park figure, and then play around if you like.

Cheers,

Ben
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Rob DiStefano on June 30, 2009, 05:31:00 AM
gotta love them hills - that's a beauty, ben!     :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    

good huntin' 'n' shootin' mate!
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: marlon on June 30, 2009, 05:33:00 AM
Ben Thats a great looking bow mate. How does she shoot?. I gave 3 of them. Hopefully 4 real soon. Marlon
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Curveman on June 30, 2009, 06:10:00 AM
Classic! I love to see people buying and shooting real longbows!   :thumbsup:    :clapper:
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Rob DiStefano on June 30, 2009, 06:26:00 AM
ben, is that wesley handle dished?
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on June 30, 2009, 06:34:00 AM
G'day Rob, the handle is the locator style.
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: leatherneck on June 30, 2009, 06:40:00 AM
Good wagon to fall off of! Nice looking bow Ben.
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Rob DiStefano on June 30, 2009, 07:40:00 AM
thanx for the handle scoop, ben.  just bought a used wesley and it'll go direct to craig for mods and a refinish - think i'll get the locator grip, too.
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: david_lewis93 on June 30, 2009, 08:33:00 AM
Sweet looking bow  I have an "OWL"  osage and bamboo with a Bocote handle,streight of course and no leather hiding the pretty wood,just two coats of super glue and then clear varnish.
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: straitera on June 30, 2009, 09:01:00 AM
70" is very smooth!! Hope to find one 76-80# & I'm done for life. Beautiful w/clear glass. Nice arrows too. Well done!
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Bowana on June 30, 2009, 09:03:00 AM
Very nice Ben.
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Jason Jelinek on June 30, 2009, 09:11:00 AM
Nice looking bow Ben!  That's a lot of weight, more than I can handle right now.
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Pat B. on June 30, 2009, 10:14:00 AM
So does that kind of bow have a lot of recoil or kick?  Do you find the speed of the arrow to be on par with your BW? I expect with it being a R/D bow it's a bit quicker.

Good story in TBH !
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Rob DiStefano on June 30, 2009, 10:22:00 AM
if you grip a hill bow properly, use at least a 10gpp weight arrow, you'll hardly feel any release recoil/shock.
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Danny Rowan on June 30, 2009, 11:40:00 AM
G'Day Ben,

Fine looking bow and I am glad that "the formula" is working for you. When I shot wood it always worked for me. Just something I picked up over 40 years ago from an oldtimer that helped me get started in this wonderful sport. Still got some wood arrows I shoot sometimes on special hunts.

Danny
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on June 30, 2009, 05:41:00 PM
Yes, Pat, the BW is a quicker design; but I like Hill bows for their magic, and they are still plenty fast enough for pass-throughs and good penetration. At the moment, the arrows I have for it are about 9gpp, and there is a little thump, which I don't mind. Soon, I hope to rig-up some heavier arrows using the front-loading jig. I'm glad you enjoyed the yarn! Thanks!

Danny, that formula works well, and my mates who are getting into wooden arrows are using it with success, too! Thanks again!
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: MJB on June 30, 2009, 05:50:00 PM
CONGRATS Ben on a fine looking bow
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Rob DiStefano on June 30, 2009, 06:05:00 PM
i'm convinced that, at least for me, an aggressive r/d longbow (a 'hybrid') is somewhat harder for me to control than a mild r/d (like a mohawk) or a reflex only (like a hill).  these d braced classics have an inherent 'stability' that i prefer.  ymmv!
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: aroadik on June 30, 2009, 08:25:00 PM
Thanks for that formula, Ben,My wagon is starting to wobble !!! Cheers Peter.
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Ben Maher on June 30, 2009, 09:33:00 PM
Northern Ben.....
thats looks a real beauty......
congrats mate .....
i reckon you'll find the longer length a plus as i find them just that bit more forgiving and accurate ...
and 'boo under clear glass ...SWEET !!!
...string follow next ?????

cheers
Southern Ben


CHEERS
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Wannabe1 on June 30, 2009, 10:22:00 PM
Nice bow Ben! Love the contrast in colors. Howard sure knew what he was doing when he came up with his bows!!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: JEFF B on June 30, 2009, 10:59:00 PM
nice bow bro now go get blood on it.  :thumbsup:    :clapper:
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: SpankyNeal on June 30, 2009, 11:08:00 PM
A real classic beauty there Ben - congrats and best of luck with it!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: Overspined on June 30, 2009, 11:24:00 PM
I just figured out what the Formula would place my Hill bow at for spine, and it works out EXACTLY as I found it by bare shaft tuning.
Title: Re: I fell off the wagon again... New Howard Hill Wesley Special
Post by: PAPA BEAR on July 01, 2009, 11:47:00 AM
sweet bow...where do you get those pig targets? i like that......larry