Title: what aluminium needed to foot a gold tip
Post by: ozy clint on June 22, 2009, 02:38:00 AM
Post by: ozy clint on June 22, 2009, 02:38:00 AM
what ali shafts fit the 55/75 and 75/95 gold tips?
would a 2219 work for any of them?
i know that a 2216 fits a big game 100+ perfectly.
would a 2219 work for any of them?
i know that a 2216 fits a big game 100+ perfectly.
Title: Re: what aluminium needed to foot a gold tip
Post by: Stone Knife on June 22, 2009, 05:38:00 AM
Post by: Stone Knife on June 22, 2009, 05:38:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by dino:
This would be cool to have a compete list of footing sizes. Here was what I have compiled with the blanks someone might file in for us.
Beman MFX Classics
500 - 2020
400 - 2018
340 - 2016
Beman ICS Bowhunters
500 - ?
400 - 2114
340 - ?
300 - ?
ST Epic
600 - 2016
ST Excell
500 - 2016
Axis ST
500 - 1916
400 - 1916
340 - 2020/2018
300 - 2016
Carbon Express Heritage
90 - ?
150 - 2216
250 - 2216
350 - 2215
Carbon Express Terminators
4560 - 2216
5060 - 2216
6075 - 2216
Arrow Dynamic
Lite - 2413
Reg - 2413
Gold Tip Traditional
3555 - 2117
5575 - 2216
7595 - ?
Old Beman Classics
500 - ?
400 - ?
340 - 2219
Old Carbon Excell
400 - 2117
More shafts that need to be added?
Fill in the blanks and I'll update the list. dino
Title: Re: what aluminium needed to foot a gold tip
Post by: Precurve on June 22, 2009, 07:01:00 AM
Post by: Precurve on June 22, 2009, 07:01:00 AM
I shoot 7595 Goldtips and foot mine with 2219's. These are a perfect fit. I've never footed any other sizes.
Dave
Dave
Title: Re: what aluminium needed to foot a gold tip
Post by: vermonster13 on June 22, 2009, 09:04:00 AM
Post by: vermonster13 on June 22, 2009, 09:04:00 AM
Axis ST 500s fit better in a 1918.
Title: Re: what aluminium needed to foot a gold tip
Post by: ozy clint on June 22, 2009, 11:13:00 AM
Post by: ozy clint on June 22, 2009, 11:13:00 AM
thanks. i was hoping that 2219's would work on something.
one left, what fits a 55/75?
all my shafts are black BTW, not the camos or trads which are slightly bigger because of the wrap.
one left, what fits a 55/75?
all my shafts are black BTW, not the camos or trads which are slightly bigger because of the wrap.
Title: Re: what aluminium needed to foot a gold tip
Post by: George D. Stout on June 22, 2009, 12:04:00 PM
Post by: George D. Stout on June 22, 2009, 12:04:00 PM
Isn't that going to be an issue with penetration?
After all, skinny carbons are supposed to be better at penetrating, and I would think fattening up the tip with a 22/64 aluminum would be contradictory. And what are you shooting that would require a carbon to need footing?
Just curious folks.
After all, skinny carbons are supposed to be better at penetrating, and I would think fattening up the tip with a 22/64 aluminum would be contradictory. And what are you shooting that would require a carbon to need footing?
Just curious folks.
Title: Re: what aluminium needed to foot a gold tip
Post by: ozy clint on June 22, 2009, 01:32:00 PM
Post by: ozy clint on June 22, 2009, 01:32:00 PM
george- as long as the footing material is smaller in diameter than the ferrule of the b/head then it shouldn't effect penetration to much. i'm only talking 1/2"-3/4" of footing. people shoot 11/32" and 23/64" shafts all the time.
i'm going to have a go at water buffulo and it will make them stronger for stumping and hitting the occasional hard object. i've used up a few arrows in the last 6 months just from spitting the end of the shaft and bending the brass insert. i'm hoping that 1/2" of footing will at least reduce the amount of wrecked shafts during practise. i'm willing to wreck a shaft on an animal (by that i mean, it rolling on it or whatever) but it sucks when you wreck more shafts practising than on game.
i'm going to have a go at water buffulo and it will make them stronger for stumping and hitting the occasional hard object. i've used up a few arrows in the last 6 months just from spitting the end of the shaft and bending the brass insert. i'm hoping that 1/2" of footing will at least reduce the amount of wrecked shafts during practise. i'm willing to wreck a shaft on an animal (by that i mean, it rolling on it or whatever) but it sucks when you wreck more shafts practising than on game.
Title: Re: what aluminium needed to foot a gold tip
Post by: George D. Stout on June 22, 2009, 04:03:00 PM
Post by: George D. Stout on June 22, 2009, 04:03:00 PM
Clint, I understand that folks have and do shoot bigger diameter shafts. Does Dr. Ashby have an opinion in his studies about footings that create a bigger diameter? Frankly, I would opt not to use a footing. I do a lot of stumpin in some tough areas and I don't destroy my aluminum arrows. I've bent a few and straightened them, but mostly the fare pretty well. Good luck on your Buffalo hunt. Stay safe.
Title: Re: what aluminium needed to foot a gold tip
Post by: Smallwood on June 22, 2009, 04:44:00 PM
Post by: Smallwood on June 22, 2009, 04:44:00 PM
Here in Colorado there are rocks everywhere (ie. the rocky mountains) :rolleyes: which aren't great on arrows. The footing really does add alot of strength to the shafts. The other day I shot at what I thought was an old rusty one pound coffee can and it turned out to be a rock!
I hit it dead center at 12yds and all it did was bounce the nock out :notworthy:
This would NOT have been the case with an unfooted shaft.!["[dntthnk]"]("graemlins/dntthnk.gif" "\"\"")
Oh, and my equip specs are... 55# longbow
27" beman 500 venture W/ 1/2" alum foot,
100grn insert, 125grn point.
I hit it dead center at 12yds and all it did was bounce the nock out :notworthy:
This would NOT have been the case with an unfooted shaft.
Oh, and my equip specs are... 55# longbow
27" beman 500 venture W/ 1/2" alum foot,
100grn insert, 125grn point.
Title: Re: what aluminium needed to foot a gold tip
Post by: George D. Stout on June 22, 2009, 06:41:00 PM
Post by: George D. Stout on June 22, 2009, 06:41:00 PM
So then there is really not much advantage to carbon arrows as far as durability goes.
Title: Re: what aluminium needed to foot a gold tip
Post by: tradtusker on June 22, 2009, 07:10:00 PM
Post by: tradtusker on June 22, 2009, 07:10:00 PM
the footing will not have a big effect on the penetration, nothing noticeable anyhow and for the sake of hunting big game having a footing that will prevent the front of the arrow failing upon impact is WAY more important than the tinny amount of penetration you may loose by having a piece of footed shaft on the front of the arrow.
Ashby came up with an internal hardwood footing for his big game arrows but it was more to prevent the week point ( hinge ) that exists right at the end of the insert or footing not so much for the concern of having extra thickness in the shaft.
the hinge still exists as a week point in the arrow when you foot the shaft directly where the piece of footed shaft ends. however in my experience it is still MUCH stronger that just having just the insert.
George i think there is a considerable advantage to Carbon arrows when it comes to durability, circumstantial im sure, if your only stumping and shooting a light bow. what weight bow do you shoot? then the wood or aluminum will be more than enough but when you start shooting bows in the upper 70's at big game animals carbons offer several advantages, durability being one of them.
Not to say that it can't be done with wood or aluminum.
Ashby came up with an internal hardwood footing for his big game arrows but it was more to prevent the week point ( hinge ) that exists right at the end of the insert or footing not so much for the concern of having extra thickness in the shaft.
the hinge still exists as a week point in the arrow when you foot the shaft directly where the piece of footed shaft ends. however in my experience it is still MUCH stronger that just having just the insert.
George i think there is a considerable advantage to Carbon arrows when it comes to durability, circumstantial im sure, if your only stumping and shooting a light bow. what weight bow do you shoot? then the wood or aluminum will be more than enough but when you start shooting bows in the upper 70's at big game animals carbons offer several advantages, durability being one of them.
Not to say that it can't be done with wood or aluminum.