I know that speed is not that important, but I am just curious what guys mean by a fast bow. My 54@ 28 Kabekona shoots a 550 gr arrow at about 160 fps and my 58@ 28 Pronghorn shoots the same arrow at 165 and a 600 at about 155 fps. This seems plenty fast to me visually but the numbers are a little less than exciting. I know they will shoot through anything I am after so whatever. Anybody have some numbers from their bows?
my indian magnum hunter shoots a 586 grain arrow at 186. it is 50@28 and i draw it to around 29.
I think that anything over 160fps @ 10gpp could be classed as fast, to be honest.
To me, a fast bow will shoot around 180 fps with 10 grains per # with a 28" draw. Thare are a couple of handful of bows that will do that.
Same here....my bows(Kwyk Styks) shoot about 180+fps@10gpp
Name some bows that will shoot 180+ at 10 10gpp
Horne Combo-longbow (Carbon model)
Morrison (pretty much any model)
ACS-CX
Kemfp Kwyk-Styks
Bob Lee recurves
Black Swan
21st Century
Habu
etc...etc...etc...
This is a neat thread. When I was first getting into this trad thing me and a buddy were watching Bowhunter tv and Larry D Jones was getting ready to shoot a javelina and I said lets see how slow this thing is and he shot and that arrow smoked out of that bow so fast I could not believe it. I don't know what bow he was shooting then but now I think he shoots a Dalaa.
Dead is dead no matter how fast your arrow gets there.
I think Larry Jones used to shoot a Brackenbury. Way back in the 80's
185fps and more with 10gpp is pretty fast I guess.
nurayb what exact;y is your draw lenthe?
Its all about drawlenght-185 fps with a 27" draw is very fast, with a 31" draw its average(10grain/pound).
I draw about 28 1/2. I agree that for 30" and up achieving those speeds are much easier.
Ive got a Turkey Creek (double carbon) that shoots a 540 gn arrow 194 fps. I do draw 29 1/2" though and its 60@ my DL...one of the fastest Ive owned and light as a feather (almost)
The Predator recurve was among the fastest bows I remember from the reviews in TBM.
Most any bow can shoot 200+ fps. The key is comparing apples to apples. Ten grains per pound and drawing 28" kind of evens the playing field. A release aid will add several fps, as well. I think any bow drawn to a strict 28", shooting a 10 gpp arrow, and finger released shooting 180+ is fast. The very fastest are probably 190-192 using the same criteria.
180 is fast.
Most all the fastest bows Blackie has tested in TBM top out at 190-194 with a release and only 9gns/lb.Looks like someone would send in one of these bows that shoot as fast as that with 10gns so we can see it apples to apples. ;)
I just chrono'd my Saluki Ibex 49# I draw 29", shooting 30" 1916 w/ 125 ft's it shot 187 fps and shootind 2016 30" w/ 145 gr tips it shot 185 fps. Any body know the respective weight of either arrows I'm shooting?
I have my own indoor chrony setup and have tested every bow I have owned and recorded the results in my note pad. 170+ FPS at 10 to 10.5 grs per lb at 27" draw is very fast most bows I have owned are more like 160 FPS includeing alot of big name brand bows. I use a glove 10 shot average and the same AD arrow. I am sure my 27" draw does not help my FPS any I wish I had a bow that would do 190's but I am not there yet even with my best carbon limbed bows.
About 450 and 475 grain arrows.
The holy grail is 60lb, 600 grain arrow 28" draw, going 200fps, :eek: now that's fast, if there is such a stick bow, I want one
I would just like one that shot 180+
I have a 60" Kajika longbow that is 55@29" and with a 580 grain arrow I have it going 180.4 fps.
It is going to be an absolute thumper with over 42+ pounds of KE waiting to offload.
Josh
a stick bow that does 180fps @ 10gpp = real fast.
You probably are not drawing all the way to 28"
Nuryab, Dan Toelke's new "Chinook" (1 pc. recurve) definitely will. My 60" is 54# at 29" and shot 551 grs. 183/184 f.p.s. with a dacron string. It also shot 660 grs. 168/170 f.p.s.
How do you know how fast your bow goes?
You have to shoot through a chronograph.
Ah...
178 - 198....out of my bows
Predator recurves are fast.
I have an old Dan Quillian Patriot that is 56 @ 28 and I draw 28.5 with a 635 grain arrow it shoots 184 fps.
I like fast bows. My 47# 64" Snakebit will toss a 30" 35/55 goldtip traditional with a 125gr head at 198fps. I draw 29" on good days. I guess I get about 50# out of her at 29".
JL
that's a pretty light arrow :eek:
My Roy Hall Navajo 3 pc takedown, 65# @ my drawlength of 29 1/2, shoots my 545gr arrows @ 197fps. I've got another Navajo, 48#, that I haven't clocked, but it seems to get it's 435gr arrows to the target just as quick. I think Roy builds a pretty fast (and smooth) bow.
463gr. according to a conversion table I used. I need to get a grain scale.
JL
A fast bow is one that reaches the target before the arrow..... :biglaugh:
I've shot an Indian Seneca recurve (58" 45/50# at my 27.5" draw) for almost 35 years and back when I still smoked, I could light & finish a cigarette by the time the arrow hit a 20 yard target.
Folks have told me that a bow's a bow, and not to expect too much change in a modern bow as the science hasn't changed much. I just ordered a Bob Lee 54", 53# one piece recurve and I am very interested to see the difference.
Mike in SC
I feel any bow that shoots an arrow 8-10 grains per lb in the mid 180's to mid 190's is fast.
Remember though, a lot of big game was killed over the years with bows that didn't shoot any faster than 170 fps and some even slower.
I have a letter from Fred Bear stating his 65# Super Kodiak with heavy fiberglass arrows never shot any faster than 168 fps...and look what Fred accomplished.
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Originally posted by Stringdancer:
A fast bow is one that reaches the target before the arrow..... :pray: :goldtooth:
A "fast bow" is one that comes NEXT DAY delivery...wish mine would!
I'm fasting now so I can buy one of them there fast bows.
QuoteOriginally posted by JL:
463gr. according to a conversion table I used. I need to get a grain scale.
JL
JL, my 30" 35/55's with a 200 grain point weigh 480 grains. That's with the standard aluminum insert.
I am more worried about the noise of my bows than their speed. I have no idea what they average...
as long as they average it quietly. :D
Hey snag, its worth the wait!
I know what I am talking about! ;) :goldtooth: :biglaugh:
I'm shooting a 575 gr. Easton Epic out of a Centaur Carbon Elite. It's smokin fast and quiet to boot. All a guy can ask for I guess! Well I'll have to add, It's a shooter also!!!
James
a fast bow is one I buy on Monday and sell on Friday....now that's fast
With a 27" draw I doubt there are many (if any) bows that will shoot a 10gpp arrow 180 fps. I'm pretty happy with my HH Tembo 57#@27" that shoots a 605 grain arrow (10.6 gpp) at 160fps. A number of years ago when I got my first chronograph and did some speed testing the first thing I discovered was that draw length is everything - regardless of the bow. So I just try to maximize everything else in my setup since I can't lengthen my draw any more.
Greg I have the same 27" draw and like you said 180+FPS at 10gr per LB I have yet to see that number from any bow I own. I have two around 170 at 10.5 gr per LB thats as fast as I have ever tested and I have had alot of name brand bows includeing several of the newest carbon and carbon/foam core limbed bows. 160 FPS is very good out of most bows. I don't people understand how hard it is too get those 180 FPS out of shorter draws. I also weigh my arrows on a Dillon power scale for exact weight and use brass washers if needed to get 10.5grs per lb. I use a indoor Chrony setup and shoot from 8Ft away using a glove 10 shot average. I can throw in a lite weight arrow/no string accesories in one of my fastest bows and do 180 FPS I bet but I test my bows with wool puffs and hunting weight arrow just like I hunt in the field.
Accuracy kills
I don't think there is a fastest bow. I think there are fastest arrows. Ya start getting down to 6 or 7 gpp and all the bows get pretty fast...not sure for exactly how long they will be fast but they are sure nuff afterburner speed.
rusty
Well after all of this I had to go test my "Favorite" stick yesterday. Shes a beautiful Morrison Shawnee I was lucky to "Score" from Bob Walker. She draws 56#@28, Mesquete "B" riser and "C" Dakota bamboo limbs. I shot GT 5575's cut to 29 1/2 BOP with 250 grn screw in FP's, dipped and crested and with 3-5" shield cut feathers...total weight 563.7 gr.
My speeds were 184 fps. and thats with a super quiet and very smooth drawing bow.
Always knew the was a good reason I liked it soo much :wavey: :jumper:
there's what I get with my shooting machine and my 72#@28 ACS shot at a true 28" draw length; 6.75 brace height; string 12/18 strands:
6gpp; 431gr arrow: 236fps
7gpp; 508gr arrow: 220fps
8gpp; 577gr arrow: 215fps
9gpp; 650gr arrow: 200fps
10gpp; 718gr arrow : 192fps
11gpp; 799gr arrow: 182fps
12gpp; 866gr arrow: 179fps
13gpp; 937gr arrow: 170fps
another ACS test made a few days ago with my shooting machine for a 13.6gpp ratio, using the same 72#@28 ACS than above (I have 4 ACS) with my actual hunting setup (string 12/18, shortened serving, silencers sims super string leeches, brace height 6.75, 2 plastic tips protectors):
27" draw length; 940gr arrow, 13.6gpp: 160 fps
28" draw length; 983gr arrow, 13.6gpp: 164 fps
29" draw length; 1020gr arrow, 13.6gpp: 172 fps
considering speed, your draw length changes everything...it is better to have some long arms rather than a fast bow :biglaugh:
I shoot a 615 grain arrow out of a 48# longbow. Very slow, very quiet, extremely forgiving and shoots complete pass throughs on Whitetails every time.
my 64" longbows shoot 170-175 with 10gpp arrows and 5" shield fletching
If you want speed, get a gun.
Speed is not at the top of the list for a great bow, but it helps.
What works is silence and accuracy.
Vintage 1970's 66" Jack Howard Gamemaster Jet 55# @ my 28" draw shooting 555g arrows = 175 fps.
Vintage 1980's 66" Jack Howard Gamemaster Jet 60# @ my 28" draw shooting 605g arrows = 175 fps.
Both bows using Jack's "stretchy" string material, not fast flight.
I know there seems to be a trend toward shorter bows with most of today's hunters in treestands, but I think a lot of guys would be impressed with the improvement in their accuracy if they tried a well made longer bow. I know I was.