I recently purchased a pack of the 150 screw-in and decided to give them a shot. Nice looking and seem to be well made, but they whistle like crazy! Anyone tried these yet and do they scream like mine? Thinking of trying a two blade w/o vents to see if they are quieter. Keep in mind I'm not used to larger fixed blades so maybe they all make some noise. Would like to hear what some other seasoned folks have to say.
I have the glue on version and found the very same thing and it spins perfect....never noticed anything but a slight hiss for the originals......maybe it's the split vent?
I am the opposite the originals whistle like crazy and the new ones still whistle but not as bad? I have already knocked the tips off of two of them. I need some more weight in them though - my arrows are not liking them at 225 (approx - no grain scale)
I do not know - might be thinking something different.
J
I dont have the new ones, but I do have a few of the old models, and they whistle as well. Not like Snuffers though! Geez! Those sound like a train headed through the woods.
I look at it this way, it lets my game know he is about to be "SNUFFERIZED". Sorry I know this was a woodsman post but I couldn't resist.
I have never had the noise from my snuffers bother game. At least none that I can tell.
Hmmmm, I have some on order that are glue on. My originals might have had a slight hiss like Curt mentioned but it was minimal. Hopefully the new ones I get will be ok. Snufferized sounds cooler than Woodsmanized :cool:
if they made a lead in and lead out in the vents i don't think they would make any noise. JMHO. not that i've ever used them
Here is a quote from Gene on the issue of the Broadhead hissing and how to fix it.
QuoteOriginally posted by Gene Wensel:
As Randy just said, any hiss is usually caused by air hitting the back edge of the vents. If they are on true, air should not cause a hiss. Put a little Vaseline on the back edge of the vents of those that hiss and see if there is a difference. One other reason is if your arrows are not spined quite right and air hits the vents due to less than perfect arrow flight.
For the entire thread go here.
http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=072540
I used the search command to find this information and the search words I used were Woodsman hiss.
I wondered if the edges of the vents were rounded off if that would change things.I had also wondered if tune had something to do with it since you hear different results from different archers with the same broadhead.
That new head sure is good looking.It seems like quite a value for one machined from a solid piece of steel.
When they make those,do they keep the Teflon out of the inside of the glue on ferrule?
i'm going to try the vaseline idea and will report back.....
The more spin in your arrow the more noise you get from vents.When I first got WWs I read post about the noise and thought the posters were nuts.Mine were as quiet as feild points.Got new arrows some time later and could not believe how my arrows sounded.The first dozen was fletched with a slight offset 4" the second had 5" with a very tight helical fletching.The difference in sound was unreal between the two.If you want to quieten them down some get rid of the high back helical feathers and go with a lower cut and fletch them straight or slight offset.The woodsmans are small enough you don't need much of a feather on a tuned shaft anyway. jmo
When I am deer hunting with mine I usually hear a blowing, snorting sound and I never see any deer. Maybe it is the wind blowing through the vents on the blades. I will try some vaseline.
what if you filed down the sharp edges in the vents
years ago when I shot Snuffers I couldn't get them from hissing so I would put scotch tape over the vents and trim the tape just slightly bigger then the vents. Made them deadly silent.
I have the 150 grain screw in Elite Woodsmans...have shot them with several arrow and fletching combinations...they have the most hissssssing noise that I have ever heard in a broadhead
Funny I got my Elite screw on today and hear nothing when I shoot them. Sound the same as my unvented Magnus 2 blades.
I put my Magnus 2 bladed heads on the same arrrows as the Elites and the Magnus heads barely make a whisper....the Elites sound louder than a mother Canadian Goose hisssssssing at you when you get near her babies
A thin coating of vaseline on the blades, making sure you "cover" the vent edges should solve your problem.
tried the tape and it helped. It had too much tape on there for my liking though after covering up both vents on each blade.
In the real events of life, and pondering the universe in general, I find hissing broadheads just an interesting aside.
Whichever broadhead you intend to use this year; hissing, screaming, squawling, or just a quiet one like I use, get them on your arrows and get used to them. Time's a wastin' folks.
I never noticed a hiss on my old WW. I'm looking forward to trying the new ones...
My new ones do not hiss, or I'm deaf. One or the other.
I've been shooting WW since 2000....the older one's barely made a hiss......but the new one I have without a doubt whistles all the way to the target...
Not a great big deal, but I wish it didn't ;)
I am not deaf....my Elites hisssss....my Magnus heads and 220 grain 4 blade Phantoms are way more quiet....BUT.....there is only one degree of dead no matter what broadhead you choose to use.....
I think you can get them closer to that degree of dead when you are not telegraphing the fact you are trying to make them that degree of dead! LOL
I might try to cut down the helical and just see if that works. Still have some old ones will try themn as well.
While I am trying to quiet them I will keep the file on the grizzes!
J
LEGAL.....ETHICAL.....SCAREY SHARP..."The Only Way To Go"
QuoteOriginally posted by Rocky Reimer:
LEGAL.....ETHICAL.....SCAREY SHARP..."The Only Way To Go"
:confused: :help:
I like Woodsmans, too, but darn! My camel skeletons and a heap of other feral skeletons just got up and walked away! :bigsmyl:
There are lots of ways to go! :archer:
Any suggestions from the 3 Rivers guys who are reading this? Bump to the top.
I've used them with my longbow and my recurve into layered foam from 10 to 25 yards and they whistle all the way to the target. As near as I can figure it seems to come down to rotation speed. I've worked hard to get my arrows to spin as much as possible for stability and with the Elites it seems to be a detriment. I think selling them to get a quality 2-blade is my best option.
I shot one of the Woodsman Elites and I thought my 3d target was going to duck the arrow. I love the design of the head but something needs to be done about the "HISSSSSSS". There are too many great heads out there to have to worry about doctoring up your broadheads to quiet the down. I've shot snuffers and they also have a slight hiss but nothing close to the woodsman elite I shot. The first thing I do when I shoot any broadhead is make sure it spins true.
Just my opinion,
Jake
Well guys it's like this. Any time you have a perferated object spinning in the air, you will have a certain amount of noise associated with it. We tried beveling the edges and that did not make any difference. They have been tested in 3 Rivers lab and do not make as much or even less noise as the originals. The only way to make them slightly quieter is to remove the rib between the two vents, but that would just create a weak spot for the blades to cave in. A little noise in a broadhead isn't going to make or break hitting your game seeing how your bow being shot is going to be the loudest part of the whole process. I think you will find that with this design, you will not need a whole lot of fletching to steer you arrow. A minimal amount of rotation equals a minimal amount of noise.
The only way to eliminate almost all noise is to not have any venting which increases the weight to 175 gr. minimum. Which the ventless ones are in the works 175 and 200 gr., but for the ones that want 125 and 150 gr. they have to have vents.
Thanks,
Boomer
175 and 200 grain? That sounds like my perfect broadhead! Can't wait to see them :thumbsup:
Maybe if they make them bigger like a snuffer they won't be so loud. :D
I read in the other thread that the WW noise issue had been disscussed at length and addressed when building the new heads.From reading this thread and others on different websites it sounds like it was just dismissed instead of addressed. ;)
QuoteOriginally posted by James Wrenn:
I read in the other thread that the WW noise issue had been disscussed at length and addressed when building the new heads.From reading this thread and others on different websites it sounds like it was just dismissed instead of addressed.
+1
So, any chance the 200 grain will be a glue on?
Any chance they'll be available for sept this year?
QuoteOriginally posted by Ringneck:
QuoteOriginally posted by James Wrenn:
I read in the other thread that the WW noise issue had been disscussed at length and addressed when building the new heads.From reading this thread and others on different websites it sounds like it was just dismissed instead of addressed.
+1 [/b]
Make that +1 more...
So in past posts it seems I have been looked upon as CRAZY in saying that the WW's and Snuffers Hissed in flight. I have to say that it feels good to be vindicated, validated or whatever. In my testing and standing down range the bow noise is definitly quieter than the hissing broadhead. The heads may kill game but I sure would hate to telegraph my shots and maybe give the animal an opportunity to move or jump resulting in a poor hit. Deadly quiet in the bow and arrow setup is the only way to go IMHO.
Guys,
The noise issue was adressed in the new broadheads and it was kept to a minimum, but I don't care what broadhead you shoot as long as there are vents you are going to have a certain amount of air noise. The real question is it affecting the quantity of game taken or is it just bothering the shooter? Personaly I believe it is the shooter seeing how many game have been taken with vented broadheads over the years. :saywhat:
Thanks,
Boomer
I would love to check out the 175 grain non-vented head. That seems to be the best way to go. I have some bodkins that fly great and are deadly silent. My only wishes for them are a narrower profile and a solid piece design.
I got some in the mail today, and I can't wait to try them out!
How do you get on that list? I'd love to be a tester.
I bought them. :archer:
from?
3rivers
I have some and no complaints.