This belongs to a Native American friend of mine. I thought it was pretty cool. It is also a testiment to the bow as a weapon of survival. That bone is from a Bison and is part of the femur which is likely its toughest bone. He told me that it is estimated to be between 1000 and 2000 years old. Not sure about that but still, it is obviously very old. Those beans that the bone is resting on are from an old clay pot that was sealed with mud or bees wax(can't remember which he said it was). The beans will actually grow if planted he said.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/keyman/bows/CIMG1836.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/keyman/bows/CIMG1832.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/keyman/bows/CIMG1835.jpg)
Very Cool!
looks to big to be a bison femur. hard to get a sense of scale, even with you in the background.
i might be wrong though
I'd estimate it to be 5 1/2" tall. Maybe a little taller due to part of it being below the surface of the beans. The pill bottle next to the case gives a little bit of scale but it is behind the case. Also, I can't postitively say that it was a bow that propelled this point either but I'd like to think so. I guess it could have been an Atlatl
Very cool. I guess I'd have to plant a couple of those beans just to see if I could grow some to eat and some for further seed (assuming they are of an antiquated variety). Very, very interesting display. Thanks for sharing.
That is awesome!!
could be the top of a very large bull femur with the ball pointing to the left. another possibility is it's a mammoth femur from a young animal. the point has to be an atlatl dart point. grain from egyptian tombs has been planting and it germinated.
That's what I thought too because of the depth of penetration. I'll swear it was a bow though to keep this on topic LOL!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/keyman/bows/femur.jpg)
That is very cool. Kinda reminds me of the bison skull with the arrowhead lodged in it thats down at that metal detector shop down on Memorial and 23rd st. That was found down on the Arkansas river near bixby.
Where'd this come from, Jim?
ehhhh. "that's classified"......
Some where out West but not in Oklahoma.
I edited it out of the text at the suggestion of a member. I don't know the "exact" location though.
vanilla- do you mean this one?
(http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd349/ozyclint/calfskullcloseup-600x4501.jpg)
If only the head had been a single bevel, they prolly coulda split that bone in half!! :goldtooth:
You know. . . if that head was single beveled . . :bigsmyl:
ChuckC
Ahh... what the heck.....just cut a nice piece out of that thing for some tip overlays. I'm sure your friend won't mind. :goldtooth:
Those look like Anasazi beans. Archaeologists have found them in the SW in clay pots sealed with pine pitch. Just a little food trivia. Maybe some ancient one had buffalo chili!
Very good Fox...... it is from the SW.
What ever it came from, was reaaaaaally big.
It looks like an arrowhead to me.
Thanks for sharing :thumbsup:
I'm not sure if thats the same one or not, Clint. Seems like the one that sits in this guys shop isn't laquered or anything. But..its been a few years since I've been in there.
I know there's been several found in the NE Oklahoma/SW Missouri region; seems them tribes like to go for head shots!
That is really cool :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Awsome.
That's cool stuff there.
VERY COOL stuff. Seems Gene Wensel also has something like that, maybe a vertabrae with a spear point or something embedded in it. Again, very cool stuff and what a thrill it would be to find something like that.
I would guess, from the way the arrow point impacted the femur, that he may have had his shoulders lined up to the left of the target, or maybe his arrows were a little too stiff for his bow. Have him send us a video to evaluate, and we'll get him back on track so he'll get a double-lung shot next time ;)
Heck I thought this post was on Charlie or Vance since it was titled Bowhunting fossil, Naw really this is cool, I once saw a bison vertebra with an obsidian point buried halfway in at another shop years ago, not sure whatever happened to it as the shop is gone.
having butchered over 100 buffalo, i will say that i doubt that that is a bone from an american bison. their bones are not any larger than a typical bull or cow of the same size, and are generally smaller.
maybe that was your friends best guess? i believe a spear point in a wooly mammoth bone is more likely.
ted, if i email a picture of a buffalo skeleton to you can you post it here?
i don't know how to do that.
Happy to Larry.
you should have it now. thanks ted.
Nothing yet Larry , send it to ted@raptorarchery.com
Yes I guess it may have been his assumption. I'll quiz him more the next time I see him. It looks pretty big for a cow sized bone. If it is a wooly mammoth or rhino it would be much older then huh?
about 8- 10,000 years or so. that may be a clovis point stuck in there!
ted, i resent the photo.
really interesting pics,makes you think
I found this reference pic of an Americn Bison femur.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/keyman/femur.jpg)
Heres Larry's picture (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x295/photos4work/bisonskeleton.jpg)
I think it's a rear femur with arrow head in the right side of the caudal view above.
The first pic I'm not too sure about but it could be a bison antiques with an atlatl point in it. But the second was on history detectives and is a calf creek point in a bison antiques skull. The bison antiques is older and bigger than modern bison. Calf creeks were thought to be knifes until that find. The first point and leg bone look to be pretty old but the point doesn't look that distinctive to me.
Don't intend to take away from the other pics, which a very interesting but thought we'd share this unique find......Picked up from a plowed field about 10 miles from our home on the Tennessee River. It was found by one of our Hunting buddies.....Lot's of speculation as to what the bone is and what species.......Tippit thinks he knows and We showed the actual bone/point to lots of people who should know.....What do Yall think?????? (http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k209/rickybob_2006/DSC_0391.jpg)
that looks like Jimmy Hoffa's nose !!
QuoteOriginally posted by Dave2old:
This appears to me to be a giant wide-horned bison femur, which would date it at the close of the Pleistocene, 10,000 - 12,000 years ago.... I've seen quite a few of them and this looks right.
Well Dave, in trying to figure out just how old is "2old", I've tried to guess your actual age. It looks like I was way off; by at least 9,900 to 11,900 years!
Nonetheless these are some interesting pictures and a very intriguing discussion.
-Vig
Who knows who I could contact about getting this thing identified and dated (roughly) I could get better pics with a ruler in them for scale.
Hey Jim, check out the Oklahoma Archaeological Society website.
http://www.csasok.org/pages/home.htm
My old man used to be a member and I know some of these guys. Good fellas.
I see there's actually a flyer on the website for an artifact show in Stillwater this weekend. They'd be more than enough guys there to help you out, and probably even more that would just wanna see that.
Just sent them an email with a pic. We'll see what they say.
This is evidince that the war between the dinosaurs and the cavemen actually took place :biglaugh: . LOL