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How many of you would order at least a 1/2 dozen Woodsman Elite's if they made a screw in model with no vents and came in 150-200 grains.

Or would you prefer a glue on and if so what weight?

I'm trying to see if there is enough interest to get these guys to make them or at least a special run of them for us.

TIA

I would love a 1 piece 175gr to 210gr woodsman elite vents or no vents.I know you can add a steel adapter to a glue on model and up the weight to 200grs but the one piece is just better in my mind and less trouble.I have some of the Xtreme 300gr broadheads wonderful broadheads but 300grs is alot of weight for low poundage bows 200grs is my ideal broadhead weight.

I dont see that making any difference , but if it does count me in!  :)

Yes to the screw in, but only because I am once again considering some carbons. I am pretty loyal to cedar.

That said, a 160-175 grain glue-on I would purchase today. Ventless would be nice, but I've never had them hiss, so I dont really care.

QuoteOriginally posted by bayoulongbowman:
I dont see that making any difference , but if it does count me in!   :)  

Hi Mark,
It's just my personal opinion but all those vents do is make a head weaker and cause them to hiss plus I think the vents might/could impede penetration cause there is a chance tissue can hang up in them. I don't see any need for them other than looking cool.

Of course I could be wrong.
  ;)

I would buy the screw in model with no vent -- 200 grains would be perfect

The new Woodsman Elite 150 grain screw-in looks great.  I would buy a 200 grain model with the same dimensions (3:1 angle & 1 inch diameter).  Get rid of the vents and beef up the blades.

Why are you trying to  change a allready Great broadhead? there are lots  of diffrent ones to try (if its not broke don't fix it )  :readit:    :confused:

Hang on boys. There are alot of things in the works. If you have a little patience I think that there will be a flavor of Woodsman Elite broadheads eventually for almost
everyone.  :thumbsup:  

Thanks
Boomer

I'd be interested in a glue-on in 160-175gr. or/and a screw-in at 200-225gr.

If i could get 160 or so glue ons, I would buy a bunch today.

Love those woodsmens.

150 and 200 gr screw in for me, yes. I'm already using the old 150's
 :thumbsup:

Probably a 175 gr glue on, and a 200 gr screw in would be great. You could put together anything you wanted from those.

A heavier glue on, 160-200 gr, would be of interest to me.  I don't need vents, either.

I'd like to see glue on atleast 200 gr or more with no vents

I'd be in for a 175 no vent, screw-in model.

I'd also like a glue on 160+
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Screw-In model, no vents weighing 200 grains...I would buy them today.

I guess this is what makes it tough to cover all the bases (and all our idiosyncrasies).  I'd like to see 220-225 g screw-ins.  With or without vents work for me...

Daryl

My woodsman glue ons have worked perfect for me on my cedars...the hogs I killed with them never heard a thing! LOL...Mike, I like the new ones as well...how ya been...adios..marco

A larger one to match 175 or 200gn points would be good.I have no problems with vents and prefer them if the head gets larger.

160 grain glue on for me.  Bob

Guys they stated on the other long running woodsman thread that they had several things in the works including a lot of what's being talked about here.....

My 125's weigh in at 175 gr. when I glue them to solid aluminum screw in adapters.  Problem solved!  Dick

125 to 150 work great for me.

Tf they were at least as big as original WWs anything around 200 grains would be a winner. Charlie Lamb described the perfect Elite Woodsman.

no vents would increase penetration

One piece 200 grain no vents and a little wider/longer (3:1)

200 grain, and make part of that weight establish a 1 1/8" width head.  Hey, we're wish'n right?

No vents = better. I'd buy 'em for sure.

175,200,225, all screw in with a 1 1/8" width.

I wish they would make one with 1 1/16" dia. cut and keep the same three to one ratio. I don't think the current ones quite measure 1" dia.

The increase in length would not be too much and the weight would increase to a level that would
work for guys with a hevy point weighting configuration.

Not venting the blades would add weight as well, but I think venting helps make a broadhead more forgiving to shoot.

Some guys think they hiss too much.  I think the sound of the bow gets to the animal before the hiss.

I use woodsman broadheads about 50% of the time.  I can't help but notice that the advertising for these broadheads always show it blown up in size to make up for it's small cutting diameter.

I know from experience they work.  But I sure would buy the next size up if they made it.

I would be interested for sure

Yes. 175 please.  :)

Sounds like a lot of guys should be shooting Snuffers.

Add me in

i do but no vents would just look cool haha

I just received the elites 125 grain glue ons, course coupling them with 100 grain steel adapts for a 225 head my axis likes. Gotta tell ya - I think yall are down playin a pretty tough head that is gonna be a killer.

But if they do make a larger size I will have some of them as well. LOL!

Course like stated if ya need a monster hole  yall ought to try the 160 snuffer! Looks like  ameat clever passed through em.

J

200 grn. SCREW IN VENT LESS. PLEASE!!!

I'd like to see a 150 Glue on and a 200 screw in myself. And if we could only get one style right now a 150-160 Glue On would work for a lot of people.

I do shoot 160 snuffers, glue ons, but would like a little thicker blades. They tend to "tweak" a bit if you practice with them. The vents do not bother me a bit.

I set mine up with the 125 glue-on and 100 grain steel screw-in adapters.  Once glued up, they are all coming in on my scales at 229-230 grains.  Mine fly great.  I don't think I have the need to change this setup.  These heads are killers!

My vote for a 160 grain glue.

I really need them to come out with half vents and 161.8 grains

I'd love to see welded, glue-on Woodmans offered in 190-200 grns.  (For the last few years, I've gone to Ace and Grizzly to get the weights I want.)  I don't care if they have vents or not, and bigger is fine, too (if not preferable) to get the weight.  Just keep the 3:1 shape and offer them in the orginal welded version.  

The original welded Woodsmans have worked fine for me in the past on maybe 10 deer and a pile of small game.  Even with a needle tip, none suffered the slightest damage.  I'm sure this second generation is great, too, but I see negligible returns for their cost and can't justify it on my wallet.  

The only actual "improvement" that I would like to see is better quality contol on the steel hardness.  Depending on the pack, the hardness may be fine and allow them to be sharpened nicely, while some of those buggers are so hard, it's like trying to sharpen a diamond.  

Yep, Boost the weight and keep them priced right, and I'd switch back and buy a bunch.

I would love to buy some ventless 175 or 200 grain...Screw in or 160 glue on..bill

I would buy 200 grain

Another vote here for no-vent.

I've spoke with Ted Fry of Raptor Archery some time back about the need of a one piece 3 blade weighing in at 200 grains. The woodsman would be a perfect canidate for just that. The 300 Extreme is a heck of a head, but a bit heavy for 50-55 lb in most hunting situations. I would love to see a ventless, one piece woodsman that weighs in at 200 grains. Until then, i will shoot them the way they are, but would definately be ordering the new style.

count me in for a heavier ventless

I like no vents and heavier, but if you don't make 'em wider, ya can't hurt anything, much less kill it.

Bowmania

Bowmania, I guess they didn't kill these?    

"From whay I've seen so far they are awesome. Dale gave me a few early one before we went to Argentina this spring. They mounted true and easy. I could get them hair popping sharp with just a file in less than a minute. Shot a capybara, feral hog and a chital stag down there and a couple turkeys in MI and IN. Dale and Rich also used them to collect some dandy trophies. I think they have another winner."

225 gr screw-in

I would have liked for the Elite to have been the same exact specs as the original with the new manufacturing advantages.  That would be my #1 prefference....same exact specs - new and improved.....as I think they nailed the specs on the original....and there really wasn't another head like it out there when it was introduced.

#2 prefference the Hybrid I posted about on the other thread.... Vented and non vented for two weights....175 and 200.

count me in

Gezzzz...I gotta slow down...I corrected my post above.

I am in for 200 grain one piece screw in.  I been shooting the razorcaps to get my 200 grains.  WOuld switch back to the woodsmans.

Oh yeah...any chance of a single bevel 3 blade?

200GR. SCREW INS! CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS.  :clapper:    :goldtooth:

QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
I would have liked for the Elite to have been the same exact specs as the original with the new manufacturing advantages.  That would be my #1 prefference....same exact specs - new and improved.....as I think they nailed the specs on the original....and there really wasn't another head like it out there when it was introduced.

Exactly! If it comes out a bit heavier to keep the same dimensions, fine.

QuoteOriginally posted by Hooked:


Oh yeah...any chance of a single bevel 3 blade?

Now that would be a bearcat to sharpen!    :eek:

Once again 200gr screw in same dimensions I will be ordering several packs myself!

don't need vents????? the vents in a broadhead lets the blood pour out...why would you want to plug the hole yer tryin to make bleed the most it can? for instance fill a sink with water then plug it then pull the plug...vents...m.h.o

please tell me you're kidding....

Don't plug the vents! :bigsmyl:    :thumbsup:

Anything without the vents would be my new go to. 160 or so glue on would be good. The vents make them whistle I think.

Elk herder are you serious?

By the way that is the WENSEL Woodsman.

I wouldn't take them for free. I just don't like them.

i'm dead serious....ever shot a watermellon with vented and not vented? i have.the vented poured out a lot more fluid in the test we tried.i shot a muley buck with non vented and had a hard time finding blood trail after 100 yds...every elk i have shot with snuffers has left me a solid blood trail to follow right up to the animal.the vents are there there for a reason,the companies put them in for bleeding purposes not for looks.just my opinion...prove me wrong and i'll take my hat off to ya........larry

elkherder - Wait a minute, let me go grab a brew...8^)

hawwwwwwww.....drink up bro....let the controversy begin......  :readit:

Glue on and some changes in weights like the snuffers please. A fine head the WW... just need 'em now in bigger weights.


ak.

Glue-on in 160 grains (like the big Snuffers)...

Screw-in in 200 grains...

I would love to see a heavier glue on, 150-175 grain. After sharpening a 125, I'm left with a 117-118 grain head, then I have to add lead to it. Last season I weighted them up to 150 gr. and liked that.

Maybe a tad wider also. I have found after sharpening a couple times, they get close to being not legal here as far as width.

Great head though. I've taken roughly twenty animals including turkey, mulies, whities, antelope, and elk with them. Good short blood trails.

the vents are to get the weights right at the dimensions needed for the finished product.Has nothing to do with more bleeding.

if thats the case then how do the companies that make ventless get the right weight at the same dimensions?

This could get interesting.    :saywhat:

The design /specs dont need vents to finish at desired weight. They dont just put toether a head and whatever it comes out at they market. I would think with todays engineers and tool and die capabilities it is pretty well pre-designed then fine tuned and tested to arrive at specs from a print.

If the vents remained solid in the new one piece elite they would not finish out at the desired weight in the final dimensions from the machining print.

ok....please explain to me why broadheads have been advertised as vented for bleeding purposes then.and also i am referring to broadheads in general not any one particular head.

That makes no sense. Sharp blades make blood not vent.

I get over 90% passthroughs with the Woodsman. It doesn't matter if it's vented or not!

QuoteOriginally posted by elkherder:
ok....please explain to me why broadheads have been advertised as vented for bleeding purposes then.and also i am referring to broadheads in general not any one particular head.

where have you ever seen a broadhead advertisement that espoused vents for bleeding?  vents are primarily for eliminating or reducing wind planing.

And they make alot of blood because of the CUTTING surface area of the three blade design as advertised by the manufacturer nothing to do with the vents.

ok.....i'll concede the statement i made about advertisements of vents being in for bleeding purposes as i cannot find the ad that i read and cannot remember what b-head it was...but i'll continue shooting vented as i get great blood trails.i also agree to the statement about vents being in for planing purposes.i did find that.
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