Hey guys, I need expert advice
I have resisted the urge to try carbon arrows in favor of my aluminum shafts.
I shoot a little over 70Lbs at my 31 inch draw. My bow is a center shot recurve.
My 2219 shafts are a bit on the week side in bare shaft testing. I've been living with this condition because my large full helical feathers staighten things up enough for good broadhead flight.
I would like to try carbon because I think I can get a stiffer shaft without the increased diameter of a stiffer aluminum shaft.
The problem is I don't know which shaft to buy.
I like the looks of "traditonal only" shafts. Are they durable? Are the press in nocks durable or should I put in the inserts to accept glue on nocks? What about spine for a long draw like me. Would I need the 340 or 300 size?
I would appreciate any help you can give me
I've no experience with draw weights that high and such a long draw.A 2219 is .337 but you aren't getting good flight if you need extra large feathers to correct problems.Another thing to consider is arrow weight.You need a 700 grn arrow for 10 gpp which is reasonable at a 31" draw just to keep the bow safe.
You might consider a GT Big Game .280 with brass insert to get the weight up but at your draw you don't have any length to play with.
These are problems you have when shooting that much weight at a long draw.You would have many more choices with a 55-60 lb bow.
Sorry,not much help.You might get a more experienced answer in the dangerous game sub forum.
All I shoot is Gold tips. If you got a good archery shop near by, see if you can buy a couple of 55/75's and a couple of 75/95's. I think you will be better off with the 75/95's and load up the tip for a good FOC.If you need to add more weight to the shaft ,you can put weight tubes, poly rope, or even weed wacker line inside.
I have tried the 75/95 GT's out of my 63# Widow and they were too stiff even with 100gr inserts and 175 heads. Haven't tried them out of my 71# check mate but am anxious to do so since a have 3 dz. :\\
These are 30.5 BOP shooting 29.5 " draw.
Wish they were longer so you could give them a try, but at that length and poundage I think the 75/95's will be great.
Poly rope is a great load for them too, 30" of rope = 100gr.
Sipsey River sells the "blems" at a discount...they look fine to me !
You may also want to take a look at the Arrow Dynamic Traditionals or CX Hertiage 350's.
AD Heavies, 32"..225 FOC should work fine.
LPM, my draw length is 29 1/2" and I shoot 73 lbs, from a center shot recurve.
I have four, full length (32") Carbonwood 5000 shafts I`ll send you to play around with. With an insert, fletching, and a 175 grain head, they will weigh in at about 650. These shafts spine very similar to the Gold Tip 75-95. Trimming even just a quarter inch can add a bunch of stiffness.
You may be able to add weight to the front for a high FOC, and still have some shaft left hanging over the shelf to keep the broadhead away from your fingers. I never had good luck with weight tubes. (they make noise when shot)
I cut my arrows to 30 1/2", shoot a 175 grain head, BUT I also add weight to the inside of the arrow with automotive silicone. My arrows finish out at just about 710 grains with a 175 grain head. I shoot left wing feathers, with as much twist as my Bitzenburger jig will give.
I have never had issues with the push in nocks. Durability has been fine. I file the inside of the nocks so they don`t have a death grip on the string.
These shafts are discontinued, but you can still find them from time to time, and they still make them in black in the 5000 size.(65-80 lb)
E-Mail me a donaldpmoffat@yahoo.com and give me an address, and they will be on their way.
The durability of these shafts will be well worth the effort of learning a new trick in dealing with carbon arrows. They sound more like wood when you shoot, and when you find the right combo, you will get the best arrow flight you have ever had.
Thanks guys for the tips, Bonebuster, thanks so much for the offer.
I think I'll just bite the bullet and buy a few shafts to experiment with...
Let me take the guess work out for ya. Buy the AD's
I had a customer a couple years ago I helped tune. He shot very similar specs to your setup. He shot a Widow, about 72@31. Fast flight string. We were able to tune the bow with 340 spined shafts with points up to 125. Also, 300 spined shafts worked well with for him with 100 gr. brass inserts and a variety of tips. Personally, I'd try a few .300 spined shafts and experiment with point weight. It will give you more a little more range to tune with tip weight and a little heavier arrow (if thats what you want). If you want a faster setup you may be able to try a lighter spine.
Hope you get it figured out.
Chris
Not that you want to hear this but I've got a 31+" draw, shoot full length arrows and I have trouble finding arrows stiff enough to shoot from my two 56# bows and still have reasonably flat shooting arrows. I need a .280 spine (the Gold Tip Big Game) with 125 field tips and aluminum inserts to get a good tune. Unfortunately this only produces a 510 grain arrow which is too light for my taste so I've had to take some time consuming measures to get the weight up while maintaining spine. I'm not willing to build out the shelf just because....
I used to shoot .300 spine arrows with 225 grains up front from one of the 56# bows but since working out my form issues (I used to think I really had a 31" draw but when I figured out, via video, I was short drawing and figured out how to shoot properly and maintain my draw length I found I couldn't get an arrow stiff enough).
All that said, if a 2219 at .337 spine is underspined I think you should start with a .300 spine arrow. The "Traditional Only" would be a good choice because even if its spine is too heavy to start you can load up the front with enough weight to get it to tune and still have a relatively flat shooting arrow.
If you want cheap, but great quality/durability you can't go wrong with the beman bowhunter shafts. They are around $45 a dozen.
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Check out tradtecharchery.com I think they even sell shafts individually, so you can choose the brand you want, and then buy a couple different test shafts to tune with before you order a whole dozen and find out they are the wrong spine for your bow.
http://www.lancasterarchery.com/product_info.php?cPath=38_79_65&products_id=11434
I went ahead and bought six easton Trad only shafts from three rivers. Size 300. I cut them to 31 1/2" and I have perfect arrow flight bare shaft with a 150 grains on the point. I was shooting out past 35yds bare shaft with no noticable left or right. I know my old 675 grain arrows flew about 189ft per sec. The bare carbon shafts were hard to see they went so fast. I'm not a speed freak so I'll probably add more weight to these shafts. I weighed out all the components of my current proposed carbon arrow and come up with 523 grains. What do you guys think??
Kind of light. Once you get around 8 gpi I think you are pushing it to go less. I would talk to the bowyer about min. gpi. I would get some weight in it. There are different ways to do that.