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Title: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on January 04, 2007, 07:22:00 PM

Hi there,
Thanks to the kindness of Tradgangers last year I was able to built with some success an Osage selfbow.    :thumbsup:    
It was my son's Christmas present, so now I need to build my own  hunting bow     :)     using the second stave I received.

Here are the requirement:

It will be my moose/cariboo/elk hunting bow so I'm aiming high 60# low 70# at my 27" draw
I'm used to cant so I will use 100% or so of the stave length

This is the stave that I thinned last year for it to cure :

    (http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i144/frenchymanny/Newstave.jpg)

Lots of width, lots of 100% natural reflex
     :)          ;)    

I will take my time and will post my progress

F-Manny

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Hunter John on January 04, 2007, 07:48:00 PM

Looking good Manny, 60-70# ouch

John

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Dano on January 04, 2007, 07:59:00 PM

All right Manny!!!   :bigsmyl:  

Buildalong,Buildalong,Buildalong!!!

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: 4runr on January 04, 2007, 08:06:00 PM

We're all rootin for success Manny!!!

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on January 04, 2007, 08:46:00 PM

Thank you all.

Here are some mesurements:

Length: almost 72"
Width: 2 1/4
Natural reflex: 1 3/4

I was thinking of these bow dimensions:
Width of the limbs will be 1 5/8 tapering smoothly to 1/2, and using the 72" of the stave

No more battery for the cam tonight  :(
F-Manny

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: bvalentine002 on January 05, 2007, 11:52:00 AM

Maybe you could use the full width, take the length down to 66 or 68 inches and make iy a pyramid bow with a flat belly. That should give you zero finger pinch and still a lot of wood over which to spread the compression.
-Brett

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on January 05, 2007, 01:29:00 PM

Brett, good idea, where can I find good infos on pyramid bows?

Thanks,
F-Manny

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Dano on January 05, 2007, 05:50:00 PM

Manny, I would make it 66"but I would make the limb width 1 3/8" to midlimb then taper to 3/8" tips. It looks like you have plenty of limb thickness to get a 60-70# bow with a semi-round belly. For what it's worth, that's my 2 cents.

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on January 05, 2007, 07:12:00 PM

Hi Dano,

I there a reason not to use the length more and let say make a 68" bow?
Same question for the width.

Your input is extremely valuable to me!

Tonmorrow: Drawing of the bow lines, and carving of the stave to close dimensions, I can't wait   :thumbsup:    :campfire:  

F-Manny

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Dano on January 05, 2007, 07:39:00 PM

IMO Bow wood determines the design, the Pyramid design is well suited to white wood bows. Where as osage makes a great little pony bow, You can get away with a shorter narrower limbed bow. I am no where near a good bowyer but after building a few osage bows I know what demensions I think work best. After building a 58" 60# bow of osage you realize how well you can push the limits of wood. Keep this in mind as well, in starting out we all tend to overbuild a bow, just for caution sake, those bows end up on the shelf.

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on January 05, 2007, 09:08:00 PM

I hear you loud and clear    :thumbsup:  

Thank you Dano for the wise words

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on January 06, 2007, 04:39:00 PM

Here is where I am today:

I reduced the stave to the overall final dimensions of the bow plus a frog hair:
Overall length 68, future nock to nock 66", limbs are 1 5/8 right now to mid limb tapering to 3/8 (scary thin  :scared: )  

 (http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i144/frenchymanny/back.jpg)

 (http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i144/frenchymanny/profil.jpg)
Tomrrow:
Chasing a ring on the back, thinning of the limbs
(they are about 1" thick right now).

F-Manny

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Dano on January 06, 2007, 05:10:00 PM

Lookin good Manny  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on January 07, 2007, 05:27:00 PM

Today, chasing a ring.
Lot of work and care, this will be all I will do for the next week or two

 (http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i144/frenchymanny/ring.jpg)

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Dano on January 07, 2007, 05:54:00 PM

I need ta get nice drapes for my shop
  :rolleyes:    :bigsmyl:

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on January 07, 2007, 07:46:00 PM

At least you have a shop Dano!   :knothead:      :banghead:  

I work in the house, you can imagine how happy my wife is!

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on January 07, 2007, 10:39:00 PM

Well you can always come over here and work my friend. I have no life so I am home most of the time and would be happy to have someone come work here.

Hey btw I met another bowyer from France living here and guess what city he was born in? hehehehehe

it was too much but man is he an artist with bows.

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: rocdoc on January 08, 2007, 09:53:00 AM

Lookin' good Manny.  It looks like you left plenty of thickness, but in the future I would recommend chasing your ring BEFORE you cut the thickness profile......just in case you have to go an extra ring or two down.  Not that I'VE ever done that, but I've heard of bowyers cutting the thickness down first and then not having enough wood left after violating a ring or two chasing.    :D

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Lost Arra on January 08, 2007, 10:47:00 AM

Quote

Originally posted by Dano:
I am no where near a good bowyer

:biglaugh:    :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:

That's funny Dano!

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on January 08, 2007, 01:25:00 PM

Thank you Doug, very valid point.
I kept a security margin, at the next ring to the ring I want I am left with 1" thick wood  :)  not near ready to even think to bend!  :)

Ragi, I'll take you on the offer at one point.

What lost Arra said, big time!

F-Manny

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: vermonster13 on January 08, 2007, 01:30:00 PM

So Manny when you want to come down?

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on January 08, 2007, 03:35:00 PM

Hi David,

Just tell me the week end that is convenient for you and I'll be there  :)

Take care,
F-Manny

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on January 10, 2007, 10:07:00 AM

Just chasing a ring, this is long on a 68" piece of wood  :)

F-Manny

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Dano on January 10, 2007, 06:13:00 PM

Are ya done yet Manny???  :confused:    :bigsmyl:

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on January 22, 2007, 09:52:00 AM

I am done chasing the ring!

 (http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i144/frenchymanny/onering2.jpg)

Now I will work to get closer to the final dimensions, and then floor tiller.

Being a beginner, I need to go slow!

F-Manny

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Pat B on January 22, 2007, 10:55:00 AM

Manny, when I quit being a beginner is when I started going slow. Take it slow and easy. You will fare better. Looks like you have a primo osage stave to work with. Looking forward to seeing it when it's done...and the process to get there.     Pat

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Dano on January 22, 2007, 03:07:00 PM

Lookin good Manny, nice progress.

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on March 25, 2007, 06:19:00 PM

Here is where I am now:

Nocks are cut, floor tillered, all the power I wanted and more:

 (http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i144/frenchymanny/Iron.jpg)

I have to tiller and keep the power.

F-Manny

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: ironrhino on March 25, 2007, 08:40:00 PM

SWEET ACTION MANNY!!! keep up the good work!

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on March 26, 2007, 09:57:00 AM

Thanks Ryan  :)

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Aeronut on March 26, 2007, 10:15:00 AM

Looks good so far Manny.

Dennis

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on March 26, 2007, 10:43:00 AM

Thank you Dennis!

And this week I will have a special knife to post with the bow  :)
Slats are epoxied in place and pinned.

Thank you again for the osage scales

Take care,
Manny

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on May 07, 2007, 08:55:00 PM

Here is where I am today:
 (http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i144/frenchymanny/P1010155.jpg)

I almost destroyed Phoenix on Saturday by making  stupid mistakes,  :banghead:  but it's looking better now.

Final tillering is the next step

F-Manny

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: JEFF B on May 07, 2007, 09:18:00 PM

WOW!!!! way cool manny  :notworthy:    :archer:

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: RedTx on May 07, 2007, 10:28:00 PM

That bow is looking way cool

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: gordonf on May 08, 2007, 09:11:00 AM

Looks like you are well on your way Manny. I'm looking forward to this.

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Shell on May 08, 2007, 09:26:00 AM

Quote

Originally posted by Frenchymanny:
At least you have a shop Dano!    :knothead:        :banghead:    

I work in the house, you can imagine how happy my wife is!

:biglaugh:

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: vermonster13 on May 08, 2007, 09:29:00 AM

Very nice Manny. Do you know what days you can make it down next week yet?

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Shell on May 08, 2007, 09:36:00 AM

Beautiful work Manny,  We have had to resort to the house too in the cold winter months in order to make some stuff, but worth the momentary eyesore.   :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on May 08, 2007, 10:39:00 AM

Thank you All for the nice comments!
Shell, you are right, winter months a coooold here!

   :wavey:  
David, I will email you for next week.

F-Manny

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on May 22, 2007, 07:31:00 PM

Done!   :archer:  

 (http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i144/frenchymanny/phoenix.jpg)

Next week end, breaking in!
67 1/4 NtN
Right now 67@27"

I'll have the nocks to finely sand, and then shellac.

F-Manny

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: KILLER B on May 22, 2007, 09:20:00 PM

Looks pretty good got a pic of it bending?  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: mmgrode on May 23, 2007, 07:06:00 AM

Lookin' good Manny!!  :thumbsup:  Looks like you even have a little positive tiller there! Good job. Looking forward to the final pics. Thanks for taking us along. Cheers, Matt

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Aeronut on May 23, 2007, 01:00:00 PM

Good work Manny!

Dennis

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on May 23, 2007, 01:05:00 PM

Thank you all for the kind words  :campfire:  

I will have my wife take a few full draw pics this week end.

F-Manny

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: B.O.D. on May 24, 2007, 07:05:00 AM

very nice Manny, very nice indeed!

I can't wait now!


( the grip looks a bit big though....  ;)    :p    :p  )

Well done.
Cary  :)

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on May 25, 2007, 03:31:00 PM

Wood is coming in....  :thumbsup:    :jumper:  

I will have a new buildalong soon, for a bow with a slim handle  ;)

F-Manny

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Osagetree on May 26, 2007, 08:29:00 AM

Love the profile!

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on May 26, 2007, 08:53:00 PM

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i144/frenchymanny/Ready.jpg)

 (http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i144/frenchymanny/Fulldraw.jpg)

35 yards, 3 first arras:

 (http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i144/frenchymanny/Groupement.jpg)

Special thanks to Doug, Dano, Osagetree for all their advises

F-Manny

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: rocdoc on June 28, 2007, 01:55:00 PM

Great job Manny!!     :clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:  

Don't you know that "beginners" aren't supposed to turn out bows like THAT!!!?

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Shell on June 28, 2007, 02:40:00 PM

The man can make a gorgeous knife too!!
Got this in the mail from a frenchman that is'nt my husband...  :D  ...

But he's a super wonderful friend! Thank you Manny   :wavey:  

(sorry I stole your thread for a bit)...just wanted to show my beautiful new french folder made of beechwood and a french carbon blade.
You're a master with wood and will be using it alot and taking it to all the shoots along with my sweet tippit and one pretty little antler handled knife my loving hubby made for me (or I should say, I snagged from him when he was'nt looking)  ;)


 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/fishrofmen1/myfolder.jpg)

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: vermonster13 on June 28, 2007, 02:43:00 PM

Where was all this cool stuff when you came a calling Manny?!? LOL He left here with enough stave to build two more.    ;)

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Shell on June 28, 2007, 02:44:00 PM

Did I mention how beautiful that bow is??
  :thumbsup:  

I love that profile too!!

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on June 28, 2007, 03:15:00 PM

You my friends are too nice!

 :notworthy:    :campfire:    :archer:  

Thank you for the kind words,
F-Manny

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: JEFF B on June 28, 2007, 03:18:00 PM

real nice bow manny you sure know how to make em. i like it awesome.  :notworthy:    :archer:

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: Frenchymanny on June 28, 2007, 07:04:00 PM

Thank you Jeff  ;)

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: NorthShoreLB on June 29, 2007, 10:11:00 AM

That is a real nice bow !!!

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: joekeith on June 29, 2007, 01:18:00 PM

Godd lookin' bow..  :thumbsup:    real "classic" looking lines.  She looks smooooth. Good job.

Title: Re: Another bow building adventure
Post by: DesertDude on June 29, 2007, 01:41:00 PM

Now that's cool right there............Well Done