Here's why....my cousin is new trad archery. He has a K-Mag at 50 lbs., 2016 29 inch arrows. The guys at his shop are telling him to shoot 125 gr broadheads and that he needs nothing heavier. I disagree. I'd like to see him get his FOC up. Post your set-up so that I can get an idea if I don't know what I'm talking about. List and add pics if you'd like. THANKS for the help. :clapper:
Bow/Draw weight
Arrow and length
Broadhead
Total weight up front
For me:
Super Shrew/57 lbs.
Beman MFX 500/27.5 inches
Silver Flame 210 gr.
No extra weight
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59# Chekmate Hunter
Carbon Express 250 arrow with 35gr internal hardwood footing, 100 grain brass inserts and 250gr Tusker Concorde broadheads
Can't give you the arrow length as I am tuning and cutting tomorrow.
A.
Wow...so you have 385grs up front. That should put the pile driver on something. :banghead:
all home made. except the "shaggie."
bow is #46 at 28"
still working out what broadhead i'm going to use though...probably going to go with 160 up front for total of about 620 gr
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At this time:
Hoyt Tiboron
55# @28"
GT 55/75 29"
W/250gr points/Broadheads
Super Shrew Samuri
62@28
GT 55/75,29",w/ 250 up front
Zipper SXT 60" 51@28"
2018 Legacy's 28 1/2"
150gr Woodsman or 150gr. Silverflames
Not sure if it will be the recurve limbs or the longbow limbs I have on order.
Bill
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im new to this but heres my set up 50# @ 28" cx hertiage cut to 29" 125 magnus stingers 463 gr total flys great
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Morrison Shawnee/64 lbs./62"
Gold Tip 55/75 / 31 inches
Silver Flame 185 gr. and 180 gr. XL (1 7/8" wide)
or...
Morrison Cheyenne/69 lbs./58"
Gold Tip 75/95 / 31 inches
Pearson Deadhead 250 gr. (1 5/8" wide)
or...
Morrison Shawnee/60 lbs./62"
Gold Tip 55/75 / 31 inches
Silver Flame 185 gr and 180 gr. XL (1 7/8" and 1 1/2" wide)
or...
Morrison Shawnee/58 lbs./62"
Gold Tip 55/75 / 31 inches
Magnus 1 250 gr. (1 1/2" wide)
or...
Morrison Cougar/58 lbs./62"
Gold Tip 55/75 / 31 inches
Magnus 1 250 gr. (1 1/2" wide)
or...
A&H ACS-CX / 70 lbs. / 64"
Gold Tip 55/75 / 31 inches
Magnus Snuffer and Wensel Woodsmsn 250/260 gr. (1 1/2" and 1 1/8" resp)
Haven't narrowed down to just one as of yet, kind of depends on what I'm hunting as to which I'll grab... All shoot where I look and I'll shoot which ever one I choose to use exclusively for a while before the hunt.
Morrison Shawnee Arapho 54@27
680 grain Arrow Dynamic arrow 29"
125 Snuffer BH,125 Steel insert, 100 brass insert for a total of 350 up front
or
Whisperstik longbow 53@27 with same arrow
62" Zipper SXT longbow 61#@28"
CE Heritage 250s,29.5",100gr brass insert and 300 Xtreme broadhead.
62" Brack Quest recurve, 64#@28"
Same arrow
62" Cari-bow Taiga recurve, 58#@28"
Same arrow
Yep, gonna use all three.
Course I also have my Sunbear,Dye medicine point and Bear Type 1 A riser takedown to choose from also,LOL. Yep, same arrow.
Danny
(2) Black Widow PLX longbows 64" one at 58#, the other at 62#
Arrow Dynamics Traditional arrows cut to 31" BOP
160 Gr Zephyr Sasquatch,mounted on a 100 gr steel adapter, with a 100 gr brass insert in the arrow. 360 Gr up front...Total arrow weight 715 GR.
Newer style Bear Super Kodiak
55#@28
Herritage 250,175gr. points,total weight-560gr.Tryed the brass inserts but it made the shaft spine to weak.Although i liked the weight,the arrows flew funny.Right now they real nice. :thumbsup:
Bow/Draw weight: ^60" Predator II Recurve/55#@26.5"
Arrow and length: 2016 Easton Legacy(w/wraps) @ 28"= 581 gr. total weight
Broadhead: 145 gr. vented two blade
Total weight up front: About *260 gr.(including hotmelt)
^This bow is cut -1/8" past center. But, I built it out at the strike plate to about +1/8" to +3/16" positive of center to cause the shaft to act stiffer because of the extreme amount of weight up front.
*Achieved by inserting a .257 caliber bullet, at 87 gr., into the end of the shaft, immediately behind the insert, and secured with hotmelt.
Getting superb arrow flight with this setup. But this would not be possible without adding material to the strike plate area because of the very weak spined arrows with extreme FOC weight. I had already made the arrows that way to shoot well out of a slower bow that wasn't cut-to-center. Then, I just tuned the predator, to shoot those same arrows well, by adding the material to the strike plate area, to counteract the very weak spined shaft. Much time involved, but I love the results: high FOC weight with very good total arrow weight.
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Doug
I'll play.
Bow/Draw weight: HH Halfbreed 60# @ 29"
Arrow and length: Griz Stick Alaskan - full length
Broadhead: 125 grain Magnus
Total weight up front: Nada extra
Here we all are on a chilly day...
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Great replies. Thanks and keep them coming. :thumbsup:
Shooting a Martin Savannah,55 at 28 inches, for spring gobler. Catquiver and cedars with bear heads.
or a Silvertip, 56 at 28, same arrows and quiver. Both bows are 62 inches.
RER Arroyo 54#s at 28.5"s Heritage 150 cut to 29.5"s and 175 up front. I shoot this out of my other two RER bows as well, a 53# at 28.5" XR recurve and a 57# at 28.5" LX longbow. Shawn
Dan Quillian Patriot 56 @ 28
Acadian Woods Recurve 57 @ 28
Carbon Express Heritage 350 @ 31 in. long
50 gr. brass insert
150 gr. Magnus Stinger or
150 gr. Steelforce Hellfire 150
Total arrow weight is about 635 gr.
Shakespeare Necedah, 45#, 29 1/2" 2016, 125 grain points. It will kill anything in North America wih many a pass-through.
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TradTech Titan
WINEX long limbs
56# @ 32"
Beman ICS 340 shafts
20-grain Flightmate inserts
125-grain Ace Standards.
Same as last year,didn't kill anything but foam an one jackrabbit though. Hoping for a Turkey, Mule deer,Bear and a few hogs this year.
Blacktail Elite 54#
Beman MFX, Alaskan Sitkas and Douglas Fir for arrows.
WW's and STOS for heads.
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is that a spalted maple riser?
A wooden bow, wooden arrows, and REALLY, REALLY sharp broadheads.
70" Yew Mahantango longbow with a Wenge riser. 55#@28" Probably going for a 30" AD lite with about 200-225 up front. Would like to try the Abowyer BH this year.
Hoyt Excel riser 23", Medium Samick Extreme limbs, 59@28.
28.5" Terminator Select 45/60 shafts, 75 gr. pts, 2" Razyr feathers, 'bout 365 grs. total.
Might go with bigger feathers (or Blazer vanes) and a 100 gr. pt for hunting... depends on broadhead flight with lighter points.
Don't lynch me :-)
Wooden handle Bear t/d with 65# limbs, carbon arrows, old green Bear broadheads with bleeders with 100 grain steel inserts. (I have to alter the bleeders so they fit over the inserts). I put rubber coating that I strip from electrical wire in the carbon arrows. Total arrow weight with the steel inserted broadhead is 690 to 700 grains; DEADLY!
i think i'm gonna use the rer longbow with blackhawk arrows with steelforce broadheads.
Blacktail VL Elite
55#@28"
12 strand D97 string
nocked at 5/8" for 3 under
Thunderhorn bolt on quiver with antler limb bolts
Shooting:
CE Heritage 250s @ 29.25"
75gr. adaptors w/ 160gr. STOS glue-ons
(I'm also trying out some Eclipse heads)
hoyt gamemaster 2 45#@25"
31" 2018 xx75's 100gr steel force 2blade heads- total weight 525grs...ive killed deer and hogs( up to 150#) with this setup. my favorite by far!!
and another...
hoyt gamemaster 2 53#@25"
27.5" 2018 xx75's 100gr steel force 2blade heads- total weight 477grs
58" Fox High Sierra 56#'s @27" 29" Gold Tip Trad 55/75 w/50grn.brass insert and a razor sharp 145grn snuffer!
Same bow as last year Titan riser and a mess of limbs. Going to have some extra shorts on it for turkey season. I switched from easton axis to epics, still the 400s. Then went from grizzlys to magnus 2s (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v683/wifishkiller/posted%20pics/005.jpg)
This year I'm going to concentrate on a 60" Morrison Shawnee [ I was lucky to get in trade from Bob Walker ]with 56#@28 Dakota limbs. Will again be using 29 1/2 GT 5575 with 75gr steel adapters 3 5 1/2 shield cut feathers and 160 Grizleys. total weight of shafts is 550 gr.
"Back Up" this year will be my 2 piece Griffin with bow bolt. 60" 56#@28 and same arrows.
Gene :wavey:
Either this
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home made aluminum riser 3pc with carbon recurve and LB limbs. Ihave onlly glued up RC limbs so far. Its 50@28 and really smokes a 625 grain axis fmj with a razoe sharp grizzly and 75 grain steel adaptor. LB limbs will be around same weight and all carbon back and belly with wood walnut core. It will be camo dipped when its done.
or this
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"old reliable". Last years recurve. I try to build myself a new one each year but this one shoots so well I may stick with it. It's 48@28" and shoots my 625 grain axis 400s FMJs with authority. Ill be shooting grizzly el grandes with a 75 grain steel adapter. When Im done sharpening them they weigh right at 250gr.
Bonner
I just can't put down my Black Widow PLX Kingwood; 66# @29 and it loves Douglas Fir arrows with WW heads leading the charge... the deer dont but!
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Or I may use one of these "Bad Boys";
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Both Blackwidow PSAX, the kingwood is 63 #@30" and the Osage is 75# @ 30" and I've some new Grizzlystiks to run through 'em.
ak.
My Pierce Point Robertson Vision Falcon 66# 58".2219 with magnus 140- 29" or try some GT 75/95 with WT-8gpp and a good grizzly 160
Thanks again for the great replies...lots of nice gear. Beautiful Widows, Al. :notworthy:
Not sure yet-it will either be my rose oak wildcat or my brand new assenheimer.
56# @29" Tomahawk, 30 1/2" tapered white ash with 150 Woodsman & 75gr woody weights. 700-720 gr. total.
my ole "go to" set up:
60@27 widow 60 in. psa2
2216 cut to 28 in.
100 gr steel adapter
135 gr Zwickey delta
220 gr. after sharpening a few times head weight
620 gr total arrow weight
For turkey -- 60-inch, 52# GN Critter Gitter Special, 600 grain cedar forgewood or hickory shafts, 160 grain STOS broadheads.
For deer -- 64-inch, 52# A&H ACS, 600-650 grain cedar forgewoods with 160 grain STOS and 180 grain Abowyer Wapiti broadheads.
Will also try to work a light Hill longbow into the rotation for deer. 66-inch Big 5, 50#. 550 grain forgewoods, 110 grain magnus II heads.
For elk -- 64-inch, 57# A&H ACS, 650-700 grain footed cedars with 180 grain Abowyer Wapiti broadheads.
58" 53@28 Centaur Dbl Carbon Cocobolo Dymondwood Riser
Vapor Carbonwood 3000's with 100 grn brass inserts and 125 grain Snuffers.
Also a Jerry Barr Thunder Mt. Lobo 58" 52@28
Not sure the arrow combo for this one yet!
Correction: 125gr. Woodsmans
60" Pronghorn 3-piece takedown longbow. GT 35/55 with 225gr. WW heads.
Live in Wisconsin and chase some Whitetails my set up : 64" 48# @ 28" Mountain bow recurve by Mike Rash Legends Bows ( sponser) Arrows 30.5" in Length 35 - 55 Gold tips 100 grain brass insert 125 - 160 broadhead Not sure what BH for 2009. Mike Rash's recurves are simply awesome.sorry no pictures.
have to pick between one of my shrews
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Martin Savannah 55# @ 28" (52 @ my draw length). Douglas Fir shafts, 28" to the back of the point, 5" LW helical-3 fletch, 125 grain Zwickey Eskimos, about 530 grains total. I don't quite understand the concept of "up front"--up front of what?
RonP
60" 46# treadway
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Martin Savannah 55# @ 28" (52 @ my draw length). Douglas Fir shafts, 28" to the back of the point, 5" LW helical-3 fletch, 125 grain Zwickey Eskimos, about 530 grains total. I don't quite understand the concept of "up front"--up front of what?
RonP
Or an old Fred Bear 1957 Kodiak, if I change my mind!
either my 68" Hills mostly around 55# shooting either cedar or fir shafts between 525 and 600 w/ ribteks / ace 160's or tuskers
or.....
my new dorado...shooting either 2018's w/ 125gn ribteks or axis loaded up front with either snuffers or maybe some woodsmans.
i just can't decide.......
For her 50th birthday I will be using my 1959 Bear Kodiak 64" 51# 1959 Bear quiver and 1959 Bill Sweetland forgewood arrows.bowdoc (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/59001-2.jpg)
A real beauty,Doc
Howard Hill carbon backed Wesley Special. 66" long, 55@28. 29", 60-64 spined cedar shafts, with 125 grain Bear Razorhead or Wensel Woodsman broadheads. Total arrow weight with broadhead 625 to 635 grains. Would not hesitate to hunt with this setup down to 550 grains in arrow weight, if I did not have heavier shafts. Keep'um Sharp".
QuoteOriginally posted by portugeejn:
Martin Savannah 55# @ 28" (52 @ my draw length). Douglas Fir shafts, 28" to the back of the point, 5" LW helical-3 fletch, 125 grain Zwickey Eskimos, about 530 grains total. I don't quite understand the concept of "up front"--up front of what?
RonP
Or an old Fred Bear 1957 Kodiak, if I change my mind!
What I meant by "up-front" is that saying you shoot a 125 grain broadhead doesn't always accuately reflect your total weitht on the tip. Lots of folks use brass or steel inserts behind their broadheads or foot their shafts. For example, if a person is shooting a 150 gr. Stinger with 100 gr. brass insert, then they are really shooting 250 grains up front. ;) Possibly I stated it incorrectly.
so far this is my setup 69' bear k-mag,cedar arrows w/125 grn zwickey eskimo 2 blades, and a wyandotte back quiver (http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt101/broketooth/IM000737.jpg)