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Title: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: elbow on March 15, 2009, 08:25:00 PM
I was wondering if anyone had any historical or technical info on the Bear Razorhead broadhead. I have about 10 and plan to use them on Whitetails, any info or opinions about them would be welcome.
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: George D. Stout on March 15, 2009, 10:36:00 PM
One of the best darned broadheads ever to populate the planet.   I've used them for nearly forty-five years.  Fred Bear liked them too.  I would venture to guess that they have taken more game than any other.
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: Bakes168 on March 15, 2009, 10:59:00 PM
Fred designed them, and began production in 1957. The design changed a few times but they remained pretty much the same.
You should buy and read the book I Remember Papa Bear, it's a great read and there is a lot of Fred Bear history in there. I agree with George, they have killed a lot of animals, everything from squirrels to elephants.

Zack
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Post by: wollelybugger on March 15, 2009, 11:15:00 PM
They are real easy to sharpen,they fly nice on cedars.
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: Frisky on March 16, 2009, 02:09:00 AM
Somewhere, I have info. on the Rockwell hardness of the old Razorheads. It was around RC42-45. I think it was closer to RC45.

Joe
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: Chuck Hoopes on March 16, 2009, 02:38:00 AM
I have been taking deer w/them for 30yrs. I sharpen the inserts--easy/quick way is touch em up w/ a beltsander--use needlenose pliers to hold on to them.
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: Bonebuster on March 16, 2009, 06:20:00 AM
A Bear razorhead, is to broadheads, what a .30-30
is to deer rifles.
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: Bill Turner on March 16, 2009, 03:53:00 PM
This passed hunting season: October 11th, Nine point Oklahoma buck, and Dec. 26th, 150 pound feral hog. Two shots, two dead animals. Same broadhead. She is sharpened up and ready to go again. Oh yea!! The broadhead was an old green Bear Razorhead without bleeder blades. Enough said.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: vtmtnman on March 16, 2009, 07:01:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Bonebuster:
A Bear razorhead, is to broadheads, what a .30-30
is to deer rifles.
x2   :thumbsup:

I've got about 2 doz in reseve,and I'm planning to stuff a few with some 100gr steel inserts for this year.
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: barefoot on March 16, 2009, 08:09:00 PM
I have been useing Razor Heads for almost 40 years with no complaints. I was even shot accidently thru the hand by my best friend with one. Very impressive, left a good blood trail all the way to the doctors office!!!!
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: Bakes168 on March 16, 2009, 09:21:00 PM
barefoot- I'd like to hear that story!
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: barefoot on March 16, 2009, 09:33:00 PM
Here you go Blake;
I was in college back around 1975 and had two room mates that we all shared an apartment. I had my bow (Bear Grizzly) hanging on the wall in my room. My buddy who has never shot a bow took it off the wall, pulled an arrow with a razor head on it out of the quiver and was drawing it back when the string slipped out of his fingers. The arrow struck in my left hand.I made him yank it out and the blood flew. Lots of blood and thirty stitches later we went out got throughly drunk. I still have a scar about 4" long on my hand.Fortuntely there was no bleeder blade in the head he shot me with.

New rule in the house: NON ARCHERS CANNOT HOLD THE BOW
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: elbow on March 16, 2009, 11:19:00 PM
Do most of you guys advise using the bleeders or does it matter?
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: Chuck Hoopes on March 17, 2009, 12:37:00 AM
BLEEDERS?
 DEFINITLY use them and DEFINITLY sharpen them--its a piece of cake.
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: Tree man on March 17, 2009, 01:03:00 AM
Fred Bear designed them for the auxiliary blade. He had a vision of increased penetration due to decreased shaft pinch and increased blood loss due to greater cutting and a more open wound. Fred was a savvy fellow but his heads work quite well without the auxiliary blades-that is the way I've seen them used the most.  The Razorhead was a great design for mass production, good flight and easy sharpening. It did a lot for bowhunting......but it isn't the toughest head. Tough enough most of the time but not  as tough as the Zwickey Eskimo that preceded it in Fred's experiments. If all I had to shoot were Razorheads I wouldn't shed any tears.....but neither would I feel disadvantaged if all broadhead development had stopped with the Zwickey Eskimo.
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: Autumnarcher on March 17, 2009, 09:23:00 AM
I use razorheads and zwickey's. Razorheads are easier to sharpen, and get scary sharp. I do not use the bleeders, as I prefer a 2 blade head.
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: Bill Turner on March 17, 2009, 09:48:00 AM
I have never been happy with the fit of the bleeder blades. They always seem to torgue on me. I stopped using them for this reason. I could take the time to trim them, but I refuse to do that. In my book, that is the job of the manufacturer. Besides that, I've been very successful without the bleeder blade.   :archer:
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: Douglas DuRant on March 17, 2009, 10:14:00 AM
Yeap, it's a good head, and I have killed a lot of game with it. Like Treeman said it ain't as tough as a Zwickey Eskimo which it is patterned after. Fred, did do some work with a bigger wider head, but decided the narrower razorhead was a better design. I have used them with and without the break away bleeders. I like the penetration better without the bleeder blade. They fly very well, and the vents are part of the reason for this. Lots of animals have found them to be a deadly head.
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: George D. Stout on March 17, 2009, 10:20:00 AM
The inserts were supposed to bend and give...even break if necessary after making  the x-cut, rather than stay rigid and impede penetration in bone or gristle.  That said, I've used them mostly as two blade heads with good results.  They are tough enough to kill elephants and rhino...see Bill Negley's book.
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: hvyhitter on March 17, 2009, 11:38:00 AM
......gotta watch out for the bleeders sometimes when field dressing...painfull surprise.....
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: Van/TX on March 17, 2009, 07:48:00 PM
I like 'em.  Don't hit a hard rock though  :bigsmyl:  ...Van

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/VanTX/Broadheads/BH1.jpg)
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: vtmtnman on March 17, 2009, 09:03:00 PM
Anyone ever repaint them after they get worn?If so what is the prefered stuff?
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: Tree man on March 17, 2009, 10:52:00 PM
vtmtnman, Yep, I do. I've used cheap spraypaint-Gray Primer, Rustoleum Sage spray paint, Flat Black spray"craft" paint-It doesn't matter much whether it is cheapo spray enamel or high dollar stuff. A little trick to make any of them durable is spread out your heads-spray one side well, as soon as they dry to the touch flip them and spray the other thoroughly then put them on an old cookie sheet and pop them in the oven at 200* for 30 minutes-1 hour. The paint gets harder and adheres better that way.
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: vtmtnman on March 18, 2009, 04:41:00 AM
Treeman-  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Razorhead history, effectiveness
Post by: aromakr on March 18, 2009, 11:22:00 AM
Guy's:
In his time Fred Bear invented a lot of fine archery equipment, however he did not invent the Razorhead!!!! The Razorhead was invented by Edward J. Henkel who lived in Birmingham, Mich. and was an employee of Bear Archery. Mr Henkel's name appears on the patent as the inventor.
Bob